Philthy on jumping whoops

Philthy speaks the truth.

Fine line of a long stretch of dirt mounds that are called Whoops equally spaced apart to a long stretch of jumps these days

Alessi was right all along....

I hate to se when whops turn in to jumpers. A true SX champion can blitz them like no other.

But it’s hard now days when the 4 strokes chew them up so fast.

Whoops were literally redesigned in the late 80's-early 90's to be skimmed. Not jumped. The way they make them round in the valleys now was started somewhere around 2018. And since 2019 LimeGate its been permanent lame jumpers...

The thing I find funny is you watch all the vlogs and one of the most common things you'll see is these guys skimming whoops on their perfectly groomed hard pack practice track... especially this year, I always just wonder why? Soak that thing and let it get rutted. Seems like that would be more accurate for practice and finding setup. 

Mostly safety reasons. I kinda asked the same question at the yamaha test track back in 08 i believe. I asked if they ever hust let them get hammered especially after rain to train and if at this level if its even worth it.  What a tech told me was, if they let them break down like that its more time to rebuild them and an added unnecessary risk for the riders to deal with. 

GL pointed out when i asked that we're all pros we can jump em skim whatever and when they're trashed from beimg muddy or riding and one lined its no easier or harder really to them. Kinda like if you can hit whoops either way it doesnt matter much.

Reeds point was fuck riding whoops when they're so bad you can easily miss the one thats breaking down the most and end a year for practice is rediculouse. Dont need to be perfect but use ur head.

I'm with you dude.

Yes it looks cool and I love to see it in these videos, but as far as practical, race scenario practice goes it seems like it can only be so much use.

I've never liked them, when I started of course they didn't exist, then SX became and they made some really cool indoor tracks without whoops, good racing without giant jumps as well, and then whoops sort of morphed into the indoor scene, and then to the local tracks.  I hated them before I rode them, I could tell I'd never dial my suspension correctly, have enough time on them to perfect them, and that going down in them was going to be painfully expensive.  

Plus, once you commit and then get out of shape halfway through you look like an absolute goon, rag doll, tank slapper, and that's no good either. 

I've always jumped through them, and always will.  

I always think about this video when I hear about whoops. 

For me, it's this one:

Without even clicking on those vids, I've watched them both so many times. 

They took those out of supercross on purpose.... what a joke.... 

Whoops are synonymous with supercross, but they should never be a miniature rhythm section.

Doesn’t matter if they’re big, small, peaky or cupped out, as long as the fast way through is blitzing. Or even of mix of just launching in, skimming and bouncing through, like the video below.

Starting at about the 1:00 minute mark has some good slow mo’s of Stew and Reedy flying through the whoops at Atlanta 2011. They’re doing a mix of blitzing and jumping, but it still ain’t no rhythm section like we see too often nowadays.

Whoop-de-doos on a SX track were meant to imitate wide open desert whoops.  Somewhere along the line they’ve turned into something completely different. I understand it’s impossible to replicate desert whoops, but gosh darn SX whoops have turning into weird jump lines, singe track ridding, or both!