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Protesters number over 25,000 at the parliament building. Protesters chanting about freedom and democracy. Legislators have run away from their jobs prompting security forces to be sent to search for them. Will we soon see this government overthrown and a military takeover in Wisconsin?
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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-02-17/consumer-prices-in-u-s-rise-mo…
Private schools actually are run and taught quite shitty, especially when you realize they only get middle class and upper class students.
I hope you realize how pathetic is sounds for people to say, I made horrible choices in life that landed me a shitty job, so I want to place that burden on those who made better choices.
If you pay too much for insurance and don't make a good enough wage, that is your fault, not those who actually did right by themselves. Take responsibility for your poor decisions and stop trying to project your failure onto others.
Another thing, some of you seem to think the government has abnormal retirement and health benefits. Apparently you guys have shitty jobs. I have worked for a few private companies that make the federal and state employee retirement and benefit packages look like shit.
Take a look at Western & Southern Financial's retirement package. A pension, a 401k, free breakfast, lunch and dinner, free parking downtown, and the healthcare is $10 bi-weekly. Where I work now makes the government benefit packages look like shit. I worked at Deloitte which makes government packages look like shit. GE, P&G, J&J, JP Morgan, Unilever, Cap Gemini, Google, and many other private companies have better packages than the government.
If you don't have a good benefits package, change jobs, but don't be a bitch and demand others to come down to your level.
If you work at a private corp you have SS AND the company retirement plan. If you work for the government you are shackled because you have just ONE retirement plan.
"I am a public employee. I am not the problem. Our retirement fund lost billions in wall street speculations that went awry. I followed the rules. Your community's teachers, police officers, paramedics, firefighters, child welfare, street, highway workers & others are NOT the enemy. We live here, pay taxes, work hard & are trying to support our families, too. If you are a public employee and agree, copy and repost"
our piece of shit sheriff is suing the county because he figures he should have received more than a 3% raise... he wants an additional $15,000. So the county has to decide A: fight him and spend more than what he is asking for. B: Give in. He knows this and thinks he some kind of hero....
dcmx,. you are out of touch....
Pit Row
But what you want to do, is to make his life even worse, even though he lost just as much as the average non-governmental employee. How pathetic is that?
Some of you sound like socialist. Want to take from those that are making a living to spread the wealth to others.
I work in the private sector because public employees have horrible pay and horrible benefits as to what I have received at every job I have worked. I have to qualify my statement by saying I have white collar jobs, it could be different for manual labor jobs.
What does the average police officer make? That's right, shit money. Is their job less though than yours? I think not.
No matter how you portray it, you guys are acting like little crybabies who are jealous and want to make others share in the misery brought on by your poor life choices.
http://www.wisn.com/news/26907909/detail.html
State Senate Democrats Leave Illinois After Avoiding Vote
Senators Spent Day In Rockford, Later Left For Undisclosed Location
POSTED: 9:00 pm CST February 17, 2011
UPDATED: 10:09 pm CST February 17, 2011
ROCKFORD, Ill. -- The Clock Tower resort sits about 65 miles from the state Capitol building in Madison. And despite being in Rockford, Ill., that was where some Senate Democrats decided to do business on Thursday. They said it was by design to avoid a vote on Gov. Scott Walker's controversial budget repair bill.
"When you have a call of the house you can be taken back by local authorites. In Rockford, we knew that wouldn't happen," said Sen. Mark Miller.
Some of the 14 Senate Democrats said they chose to leave the state because it would give lawmakers and residents a chance to discuss the bill.
"We feel that by delaying the vote a while, the people of the state will have more opportunity to talk about this. They can discuss it among themselves and decide if what the governor has proposed is a good idea or not," said Sen. Jim Holperin.
The senators said they thought the bill contained many provisions that had nothing to do with repairing the budget. They also said delaying the vote would give residents more of a chance to have their voices heard.
"The real plan is to see if the governor is willing to have a real dialogue with Democrats because the people are in Madison right now. Over 30,000 of them basically saying, 'Governor give us our economic rights back,' I want them to be heard.," said Sen. Spencer Coggs.
The senators involved also took issue with the bill's attempt to take away collective bargaining rights from state workers.
"Wisconsin is the epicenter now of worker's rights. We intend to make sure workers get their rights," said Coggs.
According to the Associated Press, Walker said he had faith the Senate Democrats would return in a day or two and said he would not concede on his plan to end most collective bargaining rights.
No, we just don't have the ability to "make up laws" that benefit us at the tax payers expense...
Private schools actually are run and taught quite shitty, especially when you realize they only get middle class and upper class students.
Bullshit.
Not all private schools are "catholic" or whatever schools and I am lower-middle class at best.
My son goes to a private school and has been offered a much more challenging curriculum, a wider range of subjects as well as music and language classes that are no longer taught in public schools.
There are full-time counselors that do nothing but help plan the students academic life both in secondary school and after in college as well as helping with the myriad of financial aid options to pay for it.
Every teacher at his school holds a masters degree or better.
The rate of college graduates from my sons school is 45% higher than kids going to public school.
Like I said before, public schools have to deal with the worst elements of society, private schools do not. So, if you compare public schools in the nice neighborhoods with private schools, the public schools will come out on top.
You also have to realize, like I have said before, the reason the college graduation rate is higher for private school kids compared to public schools in general is due to the type of families that send their kid to private school. Private schools don't have the millions of horrible parents and their unfortunate kids to deal with, but the public schools do.
You can always find exceptions but in general this is the case. I work in higher education and see the data everyday.
I have no idea to the answers of those questions but for example:
Lets say he manages 30 people and his budget is $30 million. In the corporate world, he would be earning well over $110k per year.
The National Association of Colleges and Employers says the following about Security Manager jobs at private corps:
For Minneapolis, Minnesota
Median salary, which includes new hires: $99,740
High Salary for experienced managers: $163,720
I am definitely notwhere close to rich by any means but you are right most of my sons classmates come from wealthy families.
Public schools are saddled with a lot more than just horrible parents.
The regulations and funding requirements are also an albatross.
I live in an area of CT that is pretty well off for the most part.
My son started at public school and there was no lack of quality teachers but the curiculum is dictated by funding.
Here in CT we have a standardized test they all have to take to retain funding levels.
My son scored in the 98th percentile each time yet he had to sit in a class for 45 minutes 3 times a week "learning" how to take the test......
Can you say wasted resources?
In my opinion that is at least half the problem with public schools.....they are teaching to a test so they can retain their monies.
Oh and clearly my son gets his intelligence from his mothers side......lol.
The government employee pension funds tanked just like the private ones did. But because they are pension funds, the government is forced to pay out the benefits even though the money is no longer there. That's where a huge part of the deficit comes from. Just like it was happening to a private corporation, GM.
The unions have the corporations and the government backed into a corner. They won't let them do anything to rectify the situation. GM got bailed out by the taxpayer and went bankrupt and reorganized to get out from under it.
The state governments aren't exactly in a position to just go bankrupt, and the people who are out in the real world haven't got anything to bail them out with.
Yet the liberal viewpoint is that there is this limitless supply of money "out there" and everyone in the unions "deserves" not to have to pay for their benefits. That you just need to tax everyone more and it will be all better. That or just rack up a higher deficit.
The issue in Wisconsin is that of a union totally unwilling to accommodate the bad economy and the reality of the situation--they never do, except the UAW working with Ford over the last 15 years. In order to close the deficit, which is primarily due to government benefit/insurance/pension/salary, they propose that the government employees no long receive health insurance without participating in paying the premiums, no longer receive the pension without contributing to the plan (other than through paying taxes, which non-government employees are also doing).
The other issue is the one of reducing the power of the unions--which unfortunately is a required part of making changes like this, since the unions steadfastly have refused to work on the issue and compromise.
The cash cow of a growing economy is gone, sold down the street to the Chinese and others outside our borders in the name of "globalism" and "immigration". Now we have to pay the piper.
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