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It’s Dunlop, not Dunlap.
They have to be very frustrated with their 250 riders. Hope they can turn it around, great team to have in the pits.
Oh don’t worry, the “bro” was sarcastic. Wouldn’t expect you to pickup on that though.
They're running a factory team like a small private team still. I've been saying this for a while the team is sort of a joke, so many good riders and they haven't been able to do anything with the talent. No offense to Max, but what does he know about managing a factory race team? Wasn't he in the marketing department in an entry level position like 2 years ago, should've shown him the ropes for a few years before even thinking about putting him in charge? They kind of set him up for failure and totally passed up on Olly who deserved the role more. Good to see KTM Group taking it in house and putting management in place. Hopefully they can turn it around soon.
The Shop
How are they still running it like a small private team, because they wore ghost busters suits? Tld is a tightly ran organization that has an A+ staff. Everyone keeps saying they’re being brought “in house” but Tld works in the same building as ktm/husky and has access to the same exact parts (mostly) as everyone else. Also stop the crap talk on Max Lee, kids got zero input on bike setup it’s not like the 250 guys aren’t getting results because of him. These guys have won multiple races in the past 3 years they just had one down year and everyone’s smashing the panic button. Would be sad if this is true though because they don’t have their own shop so they’d have to (I’m assuming) start from zero again and I just don’t see them doing that.
Who's all the great riders that have struck out while on the TLD team?
TLD Suzuki. Would be the sickest looking bikes by far.
I thought Ryder D was supposed to be one of the next big names coming thru, what’s up with him? He should be a top 5 kid right off the bat imo like Deegan, I wonder why he’s not better than he is right now.
Dunlapped when I'm runnin' em!!!!
Burnt out
Seeing them back on Hondas would be cool.
The teams have full factory spec "Peirer Group" 450s and 250s, the team headquarters is at the KTM North América facility alongside KTM and Husqvarna, top noch staff... What's missing? Budget and riders, TLD doesn't have the same ammount of budget or riders as KTM or Husqvarna, they only have one 450 bike, Troy needs to step it up in terms of $$$ to be competitive, they cannot sign top 5 or potential future stars like Prado because they cannot pay them what Factory Kawi, Honda or Yamaha pays them, they also could step it up in their amateur program, thank god Cole Davis is with them because that kid will be very good in the future, and with the amount of guys the KTM group has in Europe MX2 willing to move to América, guys like Kay de Wolf, the Coenen Bros and others like Marc Antoine Rossi, Laegenfelder, they should start making room for them.
Triumph b team. Those bikes would look bitchin AF
Burnt out from a lites season? Yikes. Tld going to need to do something since brown is gone to star next year and they have Ryder now to carry the team. What 250 rider would possibly want to go there?
By giving jobs to family member, that require tons of experience and a certain type of person if they want to be successful. Again with Max, what qualifies him to run a factory race team, seriously... not saying he's not smart or dedicated, but he just simply lacks the very important experience and with something so important is that something you should just be learning on the fly? By no means am I blaming him for their poor results, he's been there what 1 year? This is from the years before him. This is why I'm saying they set him up for failure. Again, with TK, did he really have the experience to be a manager besides being a family friend? Stop bringing in family for important roles and get someone who's done it before, you wouldn't bring in some Joe Shmo to ride the bike. Again for running it like a private team I don't think they offer much support for trainers. Maybe they don't get enough support from KTM or they don't want to pay the TLD riders don't train at Aldon's (on the regular) or really at any compound.
The costumes has nothing to do with it, that's no different than what RB did in '05 Monaco, the costumes is GREAT for the sport, A++. For me when I say "in-house" I mean the managerial aspect, TLD stopped building the bikes in corona in like 2016ish so the bikes have been "in-house" KTM since around then. It's not the equipment. I think because they're private they get far less attention from KTM group, and its been that way since they were the factory KTM 250 squad. They just simply need better infrastructure and management put in place. Yes, obviously max doesn't have input over the rider's set up of course he isn't actively overseeing development. It isn't really just one bad year though, its a history of not being able to produce winners and champions with the tons of talented rider they have, which many other teams are able to do. The rider lineup strategy is just all over the place in the past 5 years as well.
This team will continue to fail until KTM take total ownership of it, they for some reason view it as the (no pun intended) red headed step child because its privately owned and simply give it less attention even compared to Husky and even when they were the factory 250 team.
Lastly I'm not trying to be a TLD or Max hater, I'm really not, I've been cheering them on for about 10 years now, its just tough to see them struggle year after year.
He’s been in the spotlight since he was 4. He didn’t start riding the year he turned pro.
They are the factory GASGAS team, why should Troy be pulling money out of the business for the race team that should be fully funded by the OEM?
Why would you think he's burnt out? Seems to me like he's putting in the work. In my book he's had a pretty good rookie SX.
Pit Row
I think people had really high expectations for him. I know I did. I thought he would be better than Deegan for sure. I did catch myself and realize, hey he's a rookie. He had a solid enough year and hopefully he does some damage outdoors
I like the way you think sir...
Ducatiroy Lee
Max was gone once supercross was over.
This thread is full of misinformation.
I'm simply trying to figure out why you brought that up? How is it relevant?
I've asked several times how it's relevant and you refuse to answer....I haven't tried "forming" anything, I've asked questions and now you got your little panties in a bunch........
Since I'm too stupid to understand your vague comment can you explain it a little more clearly for me, please? Or is that too much to ask?
Because the amateur scene overcooks these guys. When is the last time a top amateur prospect came up through the ranks and actually lived up to the hype?
Wilson, Barcia, Tomac, AC, Webb. Ryder d had just as good as amateur careers as these guys and all those guys showed flashes in year one. I never had heard of JuJu before futures last year, and JuJu is beating him this year, Daxton Bennik had better results. I definitely expected more from Ryder D then 8-12th in a west coast race.
The Husky team was run out of the Husky building…and, it wasn’t Husky’s in-house team…yet.
I think what’s being missed is that it IS the…
Troy Lee Designs/Red Bull/GasGas Factory Racing (From TLD site)
TLD / Red Bull / GASGAS Factory Racing (From GG site)
Here’s the history…(from TLD site)
Fueled by unwavering enthusiasm and desire to transcend art and racing into community, Troy turned his dream of owning a race team into a reality. From triumphs in Championship-winning Supermoto teams to X Games gold, the Troy Lee Designs Supercross and Motocross team emerged in 2008. Today, a TLD partnership with Red Bull has formed the official home of the GasGas Factory supercross and motocross racing efforts in the United States — the Troy Lee Designs/Red Bull/GasGas Factory Team.
Stick to a topic you have a shred of knowledge about because you clearly have no clue what you’re even talking about
If Max is gone who is the new Manager?
You’re telling me the guy who had zero experience besides being the son of the team owner got canned because of poor performance?
weird, I do remember a thread when this happened and saying he wasn’t qualified for the position. Well……
How about you correct some if it, insider guy?
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