WORCS

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1 Jan 18-20 Phoenix, Az

2 Feb 15-17 Mesquite, NV

3 March 14-16 Lake Havasu, AZ

4 April 11-13 Auburn, Wa

5 May 9-11 Hollister, Ca

6 June 13-15 Prairie City SVRA

7 Aug 8-10 Olympia, Wa

8 Aug 29-31 Monticello,Ut

9 Sept 19-21 Milford, Ca

10 Oct 17-19 Taft, Ca

I understand Russ Pearson has signed with Kawi.
Destry and Pearson on the same team? What was Yamaha thinking

my good friend adam harvey just signed with topar kawasaki to race the worcs series. wish him luck. also another local boy kyle summers just signed with ktm to race the same series.

Yamaha has quit supporting for offroad. Ty Davis has also switched to Suzuki's I believe?

Yamaha may have quit supporting WORCS but they're still sponsoring the AM/PRO Yamaha team in GNCC (Barry Hawk, Jason Raines, and Thad Duvall) as well as Fred Andrews' GNCC XC2 team.

[quote="hoopmx":3pkzt3el]Yamaha may have quit supporting WORCS but they're still sponsoring the AM/PRO Yamaha team in GNCC (Barry Hawk, Jason Raines, and Thad Duvall) as well as Fred Andrews' GNCC XC2 team.[/quote:3pkzt3el]


Yamaha is still supporting the WORCS, I guess you missed Bobby Garrison who is still racing under the ZipTy tent on a Factory supported YZ450F. Ty switched bikes for himself and the other team members who wanted to go with the new Malcom Smith Motorsports program.

[quote="WORCSRACER":37t67dhw][quote="hoopmx":37t67dhw]Yamaha may have quit supporting WORCS but they're still sponsoring the AM/PRO Yamaha team in GNCC (Barry Hawk, Jason Raines, and Thad Duvall) as well as Fred Andrews' GNCC XC2 team.[/quote:37t67dhw]


Yamaha is still supporting the WORCS, I guess you missed Bobby Garrison who is still racing under the ZipTy tent on a Factory supported YZ450F. Ty switched bikes for himself and the other team members who wanted to go with the new Malcom Smith Motorsports program.[/quote:37t67dhw]

They're still supporting Garrison because he had a two year contract which gives them no choice. He'll be joining Ty on yellow next year.

[quote="SPYGUY":19hg6tsi]
They're still supporting Garrison because he had a two year contract which gives them no choice. He'll be joining Ty on yellow next year.[/quote:19hg6tsi]

I'll be polite and leave it at you're wrong, Yamaha could have at anytime canceled Bobby's deal, they didn't. They are supporting the WORCS as best they can with the corporate budget cuts. They wanted ZipTy to stay but they couldn't make it work for Ty.

As far as next year it's up to Bobby and how he rides to see what comes his way. Ty's program with a year of development under it's wheels will be tough next year. I would consider also that Chris Johnson is riding for Ty now and has huge upside potential and looks to be the front runner for the "A" ride under Ty's tent. Then again Nicky B might have something to say about that.

I must have forgotten who I was talking to..."Mr. WORCS" himself. I'll never question your intellect again, boss.

In the mean time, why don't you tell us again how former ISDE, WEC, GNCC, and Endurocross champion David Knight couldn't win if he raced WORCS.

I learn so much from you.

[quote="SPYGUY":3liaokvg]I must have forgotten who I was talking to..."Mr. WORCS" himself. I'll never question your intellect again, boss.

In the mean time, why don't you tell us again how former ISDE, WEC, GNCC, and Endurocross champion David Knight couldn't win if he raced WORCS.

I learn so much from you.[/quote:3liaokvg]


Well you don't know much so it's really not that hard.

Dateline: 1/26/2008

David Knight, and for that matter anyone else who is a GNCC regular, can't win a WORCS race.


You're welcome.

You avoided my question last time....what's the last GNCC race you attended in person?

[quote="SPYGUY":38u6n594]You avoided my question last time....what's the last GNCC race you attended in person?[/quote:38u6n594]

I don't race GNCC races.

That however doesn't lessen my ability to see what is obvious, the top riders in the GNCC can't win a WORCS race. Wake up SPYGUY the WORCS guys race the GNCC races and do well. Even our Amateurs do well.

One guy from the GNCC top class has come out raced a WORCS event and ever done anything.

[quote="WORCSRACER":1ukyblke][quote="SPYGUY":1ukyblke]You avoided my question last time....what's the last GNCC race you attended in person?[/quote:1ukyblke]

I don't race GNCC races.

That however doesn't lessen my ability to see what is obvious, the top riders in the GNCC can't win a WORCS race. Wake up SPYGUY the WORCS guys race the GNCC races and do well. Even our Amateurs do well.

One guy from the GNCC top class has come out raced a WORCS event and ever done anything.[/quote:1ukyblke]

Could you be a little more specific? Besides Kurt's stellar rides at the first 2 rounds of last year's GNCC season, I'm unaware of any WORCS guys coming to GNCCs and doing well this past year. Last year the only GNCC guy that I'm aware of that rode a WORCS was Charlie Mullins when he went to Pismo and I believe his bike blew up.

In all honesty, I see pretty much zero point in comparing the two series. Their really not very similar. Other than wanting to chest thump that "your" series is better, this is apples to oranges...

[quote="hoopmx":15rnhstz]
Could you be a little more specific? Besides Kurt's stellar rides at the first 2 rounds of last year's GNCC season, I'm unaware of any WORCS guys coming to GNCCs and doing well this past year. Last year the only GNCC guy that I'm aware of that rode a WORCS was Charlie Mullins when he went to Pismo and I believe his bike blew up.

In all honesty, I see pretty much zero point in comparing the two series. Their really not very similar. Other than wanting to chest thump that "your" series is better, this is apples to oranges...[/quote:15rnhstz]

The series are different that is for sure. IMO, the faster group of riders ride WORCS.

Yeah, we all know what they say about opinions....

Like I said, I don't know how any GNCC guys have done in any WORCS races. I don't believe that Juha ever raced any, but if he did, I'm pretty sure he would've done very well, as would David Knight. Since the two series are so different I'm not sure how you can quantify which has the fastest group of riders with anything other than biased opinion...

I did a little digging and here's what I found for WORCS rider's results in GNCC over the past few years. There has been some definite solid results, but it's not like anyone came and whooped all the GNCC guy's asses. FWIW, most of the good results have come at the FL GNCC which is a totally different animal than any other stop on the GNCC series.

2004 GNCC Results:
Ryan Hughes - 5th in TX, 29th in FL
Russ Pearson: 10th in TX, 31st in GA

2005 GNCC Results
Kurt Caselli: 4th in FL, 14th in GA, 59th in MD
Nathan Woods: 281st in FL, 66th in MD

2006 GNCC Results
Nathan Woods: 4th in FL, 23rd in MD
Ricky Dietrich: 8th in FL, 293rd in GA

2007 GNCC Results
Kurt Caselli: 4th in FL, 4th in GA
Russ Pearson: 12th in FL

Juha raced 2 WORCS races. He finished 1-2.

Okay, so I was wrong about him not racing WORCS, but right that he would do well. Ha!

So, as far as I can tell a WORCS rider hasn't podiumed a GNCC, but a GNCC racer has a 1st and 2nd place overall finish at a WORCS. Interesting...

Caselli was fourth overall in the last GNCC event he raced. He was riding a 250f and started behind the XC1 class on the XC2 gate. He then went out and won the XC2 class. I believe Kurt also had the fastest laptimes too in that race. When Juha raced the WORCS he beat Caselli by .9 seconds in TX and he lost to Woods by 1:16. He hardly smoked anyone. Both of the riders he beat have gotten faster, much much faster since 05.

Let's face it, GNCC event is more like an enduro than a speed event. The GNCC guys ride great in mud and slop but they are not the fastest riders. Maybe that's what matters to you? How many guys on the GNCC circuit can qualify for an AMA national gate? We had 7 at GH this year. We can argue all day but until the GNCC guys come out and race in the WORCS we'll never know how the current crop will do.

SPYGUY FYI... Juha left the GNCC's and the USA in 2006. Your right he was and is fast, when he raced the GNCC's HE WHIPPED EVERYONES ASS but he doesn't race in the US anymore AND if he did he would have his work cut out for him in the WORCS which has a far tougher field than it did three years ago.

[quote="WORCSRACER":29jrbqkw]

As far as next year it's up to Bobby and how he rides to see what comes his way. Ty's program with a year of development under it's wheels will be tough next year. I would consider also that Chris Johnson is riding for Ty now and has huge upside potential and looks to be the front runner for the "A" ride under Ty's tent. Then again Nicky B might have something to say about that.[/quote:29jrbqkw]


chris is another insanely fast colorado kid. him, summers, karlsen, rhoten, and harvey all should do pretty well this year.

I don't remember saying that Juha smoked anyone. A win is a win though, and a 2nd place overall is still better than any WORCS rider has done in GNCC.

The motocross comparison is again another apples to oranges one. GNCC racing is absolutely nothing like MX. Ask guys like Josh Summey, Zach Osborne, and Ryan Sipes who have all tried their hand at GNCC the past couple years and got smoked, about the speed of GNCC racers. If you've never been to a race, you really can't comment on it. Trust me though, you'd be impressed at the pace these guys run for the entire 3 hours. (FWIW, Barry Hawk and Shane Watts have both qualified for nationals in the past. I know Edmisten missed a spot on the gate at Steel City by 1 position. GP racer Gordon Crockard is coming to the GNCCs this year, he undoubtedly could make the gate at a national.)

Anyway, I'm done with this argument. It's pretty much pointless. Not quite sure why you feel the need to bash GNCC guys to try and make yourself feel better because you race WORCS, but do what you gotta do to make yourself happy.

[quote="WORCSRACER":3a7jop39]Caselli was fourth overall in the last GNCC event he raced. He was riding a 250f and started behind the XC1 class on the XC2 gate. He then went out and won the XC2 class. I believe Kurt also had the fastest laptimes too in that race. When Juha raced the WORCS he beat Caselli by .9 seconds in TX and he lost to Woods by 1:16. He hardly smoked anyone. Both of the riders he beat have gotten faster, much much faster since 05.[/quote:3a7jop39]

You're right, Caselli did finish 4th overall at GA from the 2nd row (there's no starting gates at a GNCC, it's dead engine start, yet another difference between WORCS and GNCC). But, don't forget that the overall times are adjusted for your starting row, so Kurt's overall time had 1 minute taken off of it to make up for the 1 minute head start the Pro row was given.

As for the lap times... A few Pro guys had faster laps than him, as well as 17 year old XC2 rookie Thad Duvall. No disrespect meant to Kurt, as he won the class by 3:30. But, keep spouting off with your fact less opnions! " title="Laughing">

Damn- This board go sideways when it comes to WORCS vs. GNCC ehh? Both are great series, but ours is the best. LOL!

Were all in this together as DC says......

worcsracer not to sure how long you have been racing but jason raines lead the whole worcs race at washougal in 2002 or 2003 until the last lap when he ran out of gas, I respect the top worcs guys alot and I have raced with alot of them and some are my friends but ask them and they will say also that top gncc guys could do very well and possibly when a worcs race.

[quote="ktm764":3b1v2xq4]worcsracer not to sure how long you have been racing but jason raines lead the whole worcs race at washougal in 2002 or 2003 until the last lap when he ran out of gas, I respect the top worcs guys alot and I have raced with alot of them and some are my friends but ask them and they will say also that top gncc guys could do very well and possibly when a worcs race.[/quote:3b1v2xq4]

pffft... That was five years long years ago. The series hasn't gotten any easier.

*yawn*

[quote="ktm764":1yzohi1j]........ and possibly [b:1yzohi1j]when [/b:1yzohi1j]a worcs race.[/quote:1yzohi1j]


Too fucking good to pass up..........

[quote="APLMAN":31hpqlfk][quote="ktm764":31hpqlfk]........ and possibly [b:31hpqlfk]when [/b:31hpqlfk]a worcs race.[/quote:31hpqlfk]


Too fucking good to pass up..........[/quote:31hpqlfk]


Too easy...