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The Rock 2/7/2014 12:10pm
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I saw my first HSD on a YoT bike and I think we were a few races into the SX season....like A2 or maybe even San Diego. It was so cool having something on the bike that was off the sport's radar screen.

IceMan466-Didn't realize you'd included MB1. Good call

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IceMan446 2/7/2014 12:24pm
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The Rock wrote:
I saw my first HSD on a YoT bike and I think we were a few races into the SX season....like A2 or maybe even San...
I saw my first HSD on a YoT bike and I think we were a few races into the SX season....like A2 or maybe even San Diego. It was so cool having something on the bike that was off the sport's radar screen.

IceMan466-Didn't realize you'd included MB1. Good call

MB1 has been testing one for a while now, not sure if anyone has used it in SX this year.

They use a completely different linkage arm that has a pin in it.

I would like to see how it works and if its any better when combined with the front holeshot device.
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ktm212 2/7/2014 1:11pm
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IceMan446 wrote:
MB1 has been testing one for a while now, not sure if anyone has used it in SX this year. They use a completely different linkage...
MB1 has been testing one for a while now, not sure if anyone has used it in SX this year.

They use a completely different linkage arm that has a pin in it.

I would like to see how it works and if its any better when combined with the front holeshot device.
wouldnt that just cancel each other out or am i just being too simple about this? its like the guys who put lower shock linkage and then steeper clamps.
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IceMan446 2/7/2014 1:25pm
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IceMan446 wrote:
MB1 has been testing one for a while now, not sure if anyone has used it in SX this year. They use a completely different linkage...
MB1 has been testing one for a while now, not sure if anyone has used it in SX this year.

They use a completely different linkage arm that has a pin in it.

I would like to see how it works and if its any better when combined with the front holeshot device.
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wouldnt that just cancel each other out or am i just being too simple about this? its like the guys who put lower shock linkage and...
wouldnt that just cancel each other out or am i just being too simple about this? its like the guys who put lower shock linkage and then steeper clamps.
its not always that cut and dry. But I do see what you are saying.

I don't know the theory behind it, but I think they designed it to keep the center of gravity lower and it shouldn't allow the bike to wheelie as easily. I think it would generate a lot more forward momentum but that's just my thought.

Just using the front holeshot device causes the weight to be loaded to the front and you get more spin. Not sure if using both cancels each other out or not.

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aaryn #234 2/7/2014 4:38pm
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Kevin Reynolds wrote:
BAN THEM! Along with fuel injection, upside down forks with all their clickers, single rear shocks with their clickers too, oh and all that linkage too...
BAN THEM! Along with fuel injection, upside down forks with all their clickers, single rear shocks with their clickers too, oh and all that linkage too. Water cooled engines need to go too! But what do I know this is my first post...
Everything you mention in your post comes on a production bike. You walk into a shop and purchase a bike it comes with, fuel injection, upside down forks with all their clickers, single rear shocks with their clickers too, oh and all that linkage too. Water cooled engines, all stock components from the manufacture.

A holeshot device is purely and after market device. Not one manufacture I can think off offers a holeshot device (Apart from Kawi's engine map button) as a stock feature on the production bikes.
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Jrewing 2/7/2014 5:12pm
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The Rock wrote:
I saw my first HSD on a YoT bike and I think we were a few races into the SX season....like A2 or maybe even San...
I saw my first HSD on a YoT bike and I think we were a few races into the SX season....like A2 or maybe even San Diego. It was so cool having something on the bike that was off the sport's radar screen.

IceMan466-Didn't realize you'd included MB1. Good call

Dungeys bike last year had a more extreme version of that last year for sx. Who has that pic?
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yz414 2/7/2014 5:27pm
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that would make for some easy chain tension setting
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kzizok 2/7/2014 5:52pm
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Crush wrote:
It'll make comparatively more difference on the shorter ones obviously... But the thing is, with making it harder to have a good start, the field is...
It'll make comparatively more difference on the shorter ones obviously...

But the thing is, with making it harder to have a good start, the field is going to narrow a little more heading into the first turn.
You are exactly right, however, your conclusion in the above post supports the other side. Following your exact logic, narrowing a little more(using your explanation of not having a device as evidenced by your quote above) would actually increase the chance of riders coming together. Thus, increasing the chance of a/multiple wrecks(s). Holeshot devices HELP increase control, thus, HELPING increase safety. Even though it may have offended you, Renners post on the first page was dead on. I get it, you don't like them and it is perfectly acceptable to voice your opinon. But you are unknowingly supporting the other side, from your explicit/implicit explanation of their ramifications.
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Crush 2/7/2014 8:09pm
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kzizok wrote:
You are exactly right, however, your conclusion in the above post supports the other side. Following your exact logic, narrowing a little more(using your explanation of...
You are exactly right, however, your conclusion in the above post supports the other side. Following your exact logic, narrowing a little more(using your explanation of not having a device as evidenced by your quote above) would actually increase the chance of riders coming together. Thus, increasing the chance of a/multiple wrecks(s). Holeshot devices HELP increase control, thus, HELPING increase safety. Even though it may have offended you, Renners post on the first page was dead on. I get it, you don't like them and it is perfectly acceptable to voice your opinon. But you are unknowingly supporting the other side, from your explicit/implicit explanation of their ramifications.
Rubbish

They increase the speed going into the first turn... and you get more bikes going faster for the same space. How is that safer?

Also the post didn't offend me nor his opinion, it's the unprovoked name calling from a pro to a fan which is just pretty lame.
Ghost of Jabroni 2/8/2014 12:08am
2/8/2014 12:08am
Crush wrote:
Yeah the technique is pretty much matt it as much as you can without getting wheelspin. Wheelies or feathering the clutch aren't an issue, especially on...
Yeah the technique is pretty much matt it as much as you can without getting wheelspin. Wheelies or feathering the clutch aren't an issue, especially on 4 strokes.

By the very fact that you've eliminated half the problems that occur starting normally you've erased some

In the old days, starting a 2 stroke was an art and the good guys had an advantage.

Now it's just pin it, whoever gets traction that's it.
Katoomey wrote:
Dont we want to make the racing closer? Why would you want to separate the good from the bad even more in a sport where usually...
Dont we want to make the racing closer? Why would you want to separate the good from the bad even more in a sport where usually one or two guys dominate.

The more likely it is that "anyone" can holeshot, the better the racing. If you don't understand why that is both more entertaining and important to the sport, then you sir, "just don't get it."

It sounds like you just want 2 or 3 guys to run away with it every race. You'd probably be happy if whoever your a fanboy of just won every race and lead every lap.

Do you even like good racing, or do you just like worshiping heroes? If thats the case, you should be reading comic books instead of watching motorsports.
Thank you.

This gets lost far too often in these discussions.
Ghost of Jabroni 2/8/2014 12:11am
2/8/2014 12:11am
Kevin Reynolds wrote:
BAN THEM! Along with fuel injection, upside down forks with all their clickers, single rear shocks with their clickers too, oh and all that linkage too...
BAN THEM! Along with fuel injection, upside down forks with all their clickers, single rear shocks with their clickers too, oh and all that linkage too. Water cooled engines need to go too! But what do I know this is my first post...
aaryn #234 wrote:
Everything you mention in your post comes on a production bike. You walk into a shop and purchase a bike it comes with, fuel injection, upside...
Everything you mention in your post comes on a production bike. You walk into a shop and purchase a bike it comes with, fuel injection, upside down forks with all their clickers, single rear shocks with their clickers too, oh and all that linkage too. Water cooled engines, all stock components from the manufacture.

A holeshot device is purely and after market device. Not one manufacture I can think off offers a holeshot device (Apart from Kawi's engine map button) as a stock feature on the production bikes.
Wasn't KTM putting it on one of their bikes? Or was it Husky?

Someone offered it showroom. I can't recall who tho.
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vedhrane 2/8/2014 12:31am
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Kawasaki mx1 was using that thing last year in euro.
GoonSquad250x 2/8/2014 5:33am
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kzizok wrote:
You are exactly right, however, your conclusion in the above post supports the other side. Following your exact logic, narrowing a little more(using your explanation of...
You are exactly right, however, your conclusion in the above post supports the other side. Following your exact logic, narrowing a little more(using your explanation of not having a device as evidenced by your quote above) would actually increase the chance of riders coming together. Thus, increasing the chance of a/multiple wrecks(s). Holeshot devices HELP increase control, thus, HELPING increase safety. Even though it may have offended you, Renners post on the first page was dead on. I get it, you don't like them and it is perfectly acceptable to voice your opinon. But you are unknowingly supporting the other side, from your explicit/implicit explanation of their ramifications.
Crush wrote:
Rubbish They increase the speed going into the first turn... and you get more bikes going faster for the same space. How is that safer? Also...
Rubbish

They increase the speed going into the first turn... and you get more bikes going faster for the same space. How is that safer?

Also the post didn't offend me nor his opinion, it's the unprovoked name calling from a pro to a fan which is just pretty lame.
I have to agree with kzizok. Say everyone didn't have one. Even feild without them. Everyone is still gonna go blazing WFO to the first turn at full speed. 250s/450s are fast regardless of a HSD. Now everyone is that much more squirrelly, less controlled & off balance, ala, "less safe" as you are alluding to. The first turn is sketchy & dangerous regardless, everyone's going full speed for "the same space". I think anything to keep us more stable is a plus.
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downard254 2/8/2014 6:17am
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Moto GP used to be fun to watch, but now with all the electronic intervention, it got boring and I quit watching. If all of these aids level the playing field and reduce the reward for skill, we wind up with follow the leader. BORING. We may as we'll just skip right to electric remote controlled motorcycles and the riders can race from the mechanics area.

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