Matthes, JT comments on PEDs

12/15/2017 4:45pm
I just came to this site because I saw the trans world article posted on FB. I was a bodybuilder for about 10 years and know the ins and outs of steriod use. I also was a MX racer and rode with many top riders in Cairo,ga way before there was a MTF or GPF.....I’ll leave it at that. I stopped racing around 2001.
I went from a 150 lbs bodybuilding contest weight to a m196lbs in about 5 years. I learned quite a bit about the ends and outs of steriod use and how easyily some compounds clear the system
Long story short, I I’m posting because of the article with Baker saying he would never do anything like that with his riders. He is the pioneer of PEDS in motocross.(but wilth less knowledge than optimal from my knowledge) He is clearly doing it now and was with his first athlete that made him rich. I knew exactly what Ken Roczen meant when he said he was now with a trainer that knows what he’s doing.
It’s in motocross like every sport. Lol. A cyclist that’s teaching motocross riders....yeah just like Lance Armstrong that would never do that, huh?
Motocross riders bust their ass on or off PEDS. But this “trainer” knows something know one else does?....funny.
Since my return to riding I have just been tired of seeing this guy lie and put himself up on a high horse. It is what it is.

It’s really is up to your common sense whether you believe what anybody tells you. Just something to think about.
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12/15/2017 4:50pm
lrantan wrote:
I think some of the vitards here are under the illusion that MX/SX are as big of a world sport as baseball, football, Tour de France...
I think some of the vitards here are under the illusion that MX/SX are as big of a world sport as baseball, football, Tour de France, soccer, or NASCAR. The New York Times investigating this? WTF are you on?
Maybe you need to take some PEDs to pull your head out of your ass. Did you ever cheat on a test in HS? Fudge a little on your taxes? Should we go back 20 years of your life to see where you did something wrong?
Dudes are going on and on about how they feel like they have been ripped off now, let it go. Or go burn all your jerseys and posters. Shit, NASCAR makes heros out of the guys that bend the rules or find something that isn't covered by the rules. Every sport you can think of has people looking for ways around the rules, this sport isn't any different. But some of you idiots feel cheated or triggered and you want somebody to make you feel better. Sorry, it's not going to happen. Grow a pair or take some PEDs.

Sorry, I got triggered
I completely agree with you sir. People need to get off their high horse and stop this ridiculous witch hunt
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12/15/2017 5:00pm
lrantan wrote:
I think some of the vitards here are under the illusion that MX/SX are as big of a world sport as baseball, football, Tour de France...
I think some of the vitards here are under the illusion that MX/SX are as big of a world sport as baseball, football, Tour de France, soccer, or NASCAR. The New York Times investigating this? WTF are you on?
Maybe you need to take some PEDs to pull your head out of your ass. Did you ever cheat on a test in HS? Fudge a little on your taxes? Should we go back 20 years of your life to see where you did something wrong?
Dudes are going on and on about how they feel like they have been ripped off now, let it go. Or go burn all your jerseys and posters. Shit, NASCAR makes heros out of the guys that bend the rules or find something that isn't covered by the rules. Every sport you can think of has people looking for ways around the rules, this sport isn't any different. But some of you idiots feel cheated or triggered and you want somebody to make you feel better. Sorry, it's not going to happen. Grow a pair or take some PEDs.

Sorry, I got triggered
jk367 wrote:
I completely agree with you sir. People need to get off their high horse and stop this ridiculous witch hunt
Is “high horse” code word for illegal drugs/peds?

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12/15/2017 5:39pm
Dead lift his 300# XR-600, and wins 5 GNCC titles on that beast!
If my sons an up and coming Amateur,I call this Dude! Probably red meat & whole milk!
Pffft,Aldon who?

12/15/2017 6:31pm
The public thinks if u take peds it will open the door to becomeing a pro athlete or an all-star. It's bullshit. I know first hand! It doesn't work.

Pro athletes have a gift that most don't have. Whether it's bigger faster stronger, lactic acid processing/ threshold, heart and lungs, focus unmatched work ethic etc.
Peds will not turn the average Joe into a pro. Its sad People think it really will.

12/15/2017 6:46pm
The public thinks if u take peds it will open the door to becomeing a pro athlete or an all-star. It's bullshit. I know first hand...
The public thinks if u take peds it will open the door to becomeing a pro athlete or an all-star. It's bullshit. I know first hand! It doesn't work.

Pro athletes have a gift that most don't have. Whether it's bigger faster stronger, lactic acid processing/ threshold, heart and lungs, focus unmatched work ethic etc.
Peds will not turn the average Joe into a pro. Its sad People think it really will.

You sir are correct. It is a small advantage, but with today’s racers being close it could take a rider who is on the cusp of being a top guy and put them on top. They will not make a rider who cannot make the night show into a contender. While testing is a good effort, cheaters will cheat.
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12/15/2017 8:26pm
lrantan wrote:
I think some of the vitards here are under the illusion that MX/SX are as big of a world sport as baseball, football, Tour de France...
I think some of the vitards here are under the illusion that MX/SX are as big of a world sport as baseball, football, Tour de France, soccer, or NASCAR. The New York Times investigating this? WTF are you on?
Maybe you need to take some PEDs to pull your head out of your ass. Did you ever cheat on a test in HS? Fudge a little on your taxes? Should we go back 20 years of your life to see where you did something wrong?
Dudes are going on and on about how they feel like they have been ripped off now, let it go. Or go burn all your jerseys and posters. Shit, NASCAR makes heros out of the guys that bend the rules or find something that isn't covered by the rules. Every sport you can think of has people looking for ways around the rules, this sport isn't any different. But some of you idiots feel cheated or triggered and you want somebody to make you feel better. Sorry, it's not going to happen. Grow a pair or take some PEDs.

Sorry, I got triggered
jk367 wrote:
I completely agree with you sir. People need to get off their high horse and stop this ridiculous witch hunt
kkawboy14 wrote:
Is “high horse” code word for illegal drugs/peds?
Trying to tear down past champions because of suspicion is absolutely ludicrous. They didn’t even test back then so I say let it be. Is there PEDs in our sport? Absolutely but stirring up shit and pointing fingers does nothing
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12/15/2017 8:42pm Edited Date/Time 12/15/2017 8:44pm
Maybe thats why he defends it so vigorously...his life has been built on the lie. Just a thought.
You’re kidding right? If not, may I suggest a user name change to Coprolite.
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12/15/2017 9:33pm
flarider wrote:
The 7 years Lance Armstrong won now have no winner. Second did not elevate to first. The record books just show no winner those years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Tour_de_France_general_classification_winners...
The 7 years Lance Armstrong won now have no winner. Second did not elevate to first. The record books just show no winner those years.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Tour_de_France_general_classifica…

Lance Armstrong was declared winner of seven consecutive Tours from 1999 to 2005. However, in October 2012 he was stripped of all titles by the UCI due to the use of performance-enhancing drugs. The Tour director Christian Prudhomme had previously declared that if this happened, there would be no alternate winners for those years, but this has not yet been made official
During most of those years the ASO would have to go a good ways down the Tour de France General Classification list to find a rider who wasn't later busted for PEDS. They wisely chose to leave the titles vacant. Wonder what will happen with Froome's '17 La Vuelta win? Pro Cycling has some of the most stringent testing protocols in all sports and it's resulted in fewer fans and less sponsorship investments. PEDS in sports are a complex issue that's for sure.
12/15/2017 9:48pm
The public thinks if u take peds it will open the door to becomeing a pro athlete or an all-star. It's bullshit. I know first hand...
The public thinks if u take peds it will open the door to becomeing a pro athlete or an all-star. It's bullshit. I know first hand! It doesn't work.

Pro athletes have a gift that most don't have. Whether it's bigger faster stronger, lactic acid processing/ threshold, heart and lungs, focus unmatched work ethic etc.
Peds will not turn the average Joe into a pro. Its sad People think it really will.

You sir are correct. It is a small advantage, but with today’s racers being close it could take a rider who is on the cusp of...
You sir are correct. It is a small advantage, but with today’s racers being close it could take a rider who is on the cusp of being a top guy and put them on top. They will not make a rider who cannot make the night show into a contender. While testing is a good effort, cheaters will cheat.
I agree with you but do you think it is right for a guy who would normally finish 5th to win the title and beat a guy who could have one without PED's......That is the issue, the status and $$$$$ the come from being #1 are a huge difference to being #2.......It must suck for those that have been beaten by proven cheats.
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12/15/2017 10:02pm
People from this forum love Info wars. Why can’t you enjoy a ped conspiracy thread!? Make Motocross Great Again.
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12/15/2017 10:05pm
My main motivation in the original post was that Jeff Alessi was getting overly blamed for an issue that is very complex and broad. He's not even part of the conversation anymore, if you notice. If stuff did indeed go on, it's not cool to publicly skewer him over drawing attention to it.
I didn't know my post would result in even a bigger thread, but everybody has a right to their opinion I do regret if the barrels of public anger got aimed at any particular individuals. I guess it's safe to say there is public attention on the issue.
How long until Anaheim and this topic fades again? Grinning
12/15/2017 10:13pm
So if none of the old guard were using PEDs why refuse to be subject to testing at multiple Mxdn's ?

Remember the FIM where testing for many years before the USA..

Didn't one famous guy retire the year testing was finally introduced in the USA ?

Another high profile rider told me HGH was prolific in Pro motocross. There are benefits to be gained without sticking 4ml in a day, so costs are not that bad.

Stewart was very uncompetitive when he came back clean, so let's not kid ourselves that PEDs have no affect on performance in pro riders.
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12/16/2017 12:28am
DC wrote:
"Honest question, if you hope the guys who are cheating (or have cheated) get caught, why not start an investigation?" We don't have the time or...
"Honest question, if you hope the guys who are cheating (or have cheated) get caught, why not start an investigation?"

We don't have the time or money to investigate the past. We can't hire scientists and investigators like crusading French news bureaus and sporting bodies did for a decade in France. We don't have the blood tests or urine samples from before USADA came along like they did for the Tour de France. And we don't have a mandate or subpoena power to challenge anyone's personal health records or anyone suing a rider like they went after Lance Armstrong. We have anecdotal tales and people suspicious of trainers and past champions, but no real basis other than "if it happened in these other sports, then it happened in our sport." And that's not enough for the monumental task that would entail.

But if we did, then we might as well test to see who was riding high in the seventies, on coke in the eighties, on ecstasy in the nineties... Or maybe tear down the motors of every bike after the Production Rule went into effect in the eighties, the suspension of every bike in the nineties, the noise level of every four-stroke since Doug Henry... And should we go back and do concussion testing on Jim Pomeroy? Jeff Stanton? Travis Pastrana? Mike Alessi?

We are doing what we can to build records and data, given the responsibility we now have, but we can't build on what don't have or didn't exist in the past.

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Fucking Preeeech! I love an unarguable rant!

That's just it. There are no tests.

If anyone wants to crusade, do it in the now, because he said she said won't do shit except get people sued.
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12/16/2017 1:07am
SwingHard wrote:
Dead lift his 300# XR-600, and wins 5 GNCC titles on that beast! If my sons an up and coming Amateur,I call this Dude! Probably red...
Dead lift his 300# XR-600, and wins 5 GNCC titles on that beast!
If my sons an up and coming Amateur,I call this Dude! Probably red meat & whole milk!
Pffft,Aldon who?

What a legend! Cool

I admired Scotty so much I bought a XR600 as my first bike.

I could never lift the fucker like that though. Woohoo
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12/16/2017 9:11am
3 time Motocross of Nations Champs.

I found this interesting.

"Few teams go to the lengths of the French team as far as the preparation concerns. The riders and the team were in a training camp the week before with no access to social media."

On a related note, Christophe Charlier has been picked up by Beta for the EnduroGP's and Italian Enduro Championships after Husqvarna has pulled out.
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12/16/2017 10:39am
At some point everyone just needs to come to grips with the facts that;

MX racers use/used PED's

The industry doesn't care much

RC Like Armstrong was at the right place at the right time to take full advantage of the biotech available to him

PED's help healing and only make champions into legends not midpackers into champions.

Nobody won a championship because of PEDs but a multi champion became the GOAT because of them.



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12/16/2017 11:50am
SwingHard wrote:
Dead lift his 300# XR-600, and wins 5 GNCC titles on that beast! If my sons an up and coming Amateur,I call this Dude! Probably red...
Dead lift his 300# XR-600, and wins 5 GNCC titles on that beast!
If my sons an up and coming Amateur,I call this Dude! Probably red meat & whole milk!
Pffft,Aldon who?

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What a legend! B) I admired Scotty so much I bought a XR600 as my first bike. I could never lift the fucker like that though...
What a legend! Cool

I admired Scotty so much I bought a XR600 as my first bike.

I could never lift the fucker like that though. Woohoo
Saw that pic when I was young and thought it was fake! Haha
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12/16/2017 12:57pm
NorCal 50+ wrote:
My main motivation in the original post was that Jeff Alessi was getting overly blamed for an issue that is very complex and broad. He's not...
My main motivation in the original post was that Jeff Alessi was getting overly blamed for an issue that is very complex and broad. He's not even part of the conversation anymore, if you notice. If stuff did indeed go on, it's not cool to publicly skewer him over drawing attention to it.
I didn't know my post would result in even a bigger thread, but everybody has a right to their opinion I do regret if the barrels of public anger got aimed at any particular individuals. I guess it's safe to say there is public attention on the issue.
How long until Anaheim and this topic fades again? Grinning
No He's getting blamed for being an idiot who does stupid shit.

All he has is a story that may or may not be true, Based on my past experience with him calling Me and telling a bold faced lie, He has no credibility.
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12/17/2017 8:47am Edited Date/Time 12/17/2017 8:48am
NorCal 50+ wrote:
My main motivation in the original post was that Jeff Alessi was getting overly blamed for an issue that is very complex and broad. He's not...
My main motivation in the original post was that Jeff Alessi was getting overly blamed for an issue that is very complex and broad. He's not even part of the conversation anymore, if you notice. If stuff did indeed go on, it's not cool to publicly skewer him over drawing attention to it.
I didn't know my post would result in even a bigger thread, but everybody has a right to their opinion I do regret if the barrels of public anger got aimed at any particular individuals. I guess it's safe to say there is public attention on the issue.
How long until Anaheim and this topic fades again? Grinning
500guy wrote:
No He's getting blamed for being an idiot who does stupid shit. All he has is a story that may or may not be true, Based...
No He's getting blamed for being an idiot who does stupid shit.

All he has is a story that may or may not be true, Based on my past experience with him calling Me and telling a bold faced lie, He has no credibility.
Tomacs dad sure believed there was and is juicing going on, that BELL interview with him was pretty telling.
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12/17/2017 10:07am Edited Date/Time 12/17/2017 10:07am
I just came to this site because I saw the trans world article posted on FB. I was a bodybuilder for about 10 years and know...
I just came to this site because I saw the trans world article posted on FB. I was a bodybuilder for about 10 years and know the ins and outs of steriod use. I also was a MX racer and rode with many top riders in Cairo,ga way before there was a MTF or GPF.....I’ll leave it at that. I stopped racing around 2001.
I went from a 150 lbs bodybuilding contest weight to a m196lbs in about 5 years. I learned quite a bit about the ends and outs of steriod use and how easyily some compounds clear the system
Long story short, I I’m posting because of the article with Baker saying he would never do anything like that with his riders. He is the pioneer of PEDS in motocross.(but wilth less knowledge than optimal from my knowledge) He is clearly doing it now and was with his first athlete that made him rich. I knew exactly what Ken Roczen meant when he said he was now with a trainer that knows what he’s doing.
It’s in motocross like every sport. Lol. A cyclist that’s teaching motocross riders....yeah just like Lance Armstrong that would never do that, huh?
Motocross riders bust their ass on or off PEDS. But this “trainer” knows something know one else does?....funny.
Since my return to riding I have just been tired of seeing this guy lie and put himself up on a high horse. It is what it is.

It’s really is up to your common sense whether you believe what anybody tells you. Just something to think about.
150 to 196 in 5 years could easily be done, depending on height, with proper diet and no steroids. So I'm not really sure what the point in bringing that up is. After I was done wrestling in college, I went from 140 to 205 in the matter of 5 years by eating right (and a lot) and power lifting. I then cut down to 190 with 10% BF.

I know everyone is under the assumption Aldon is juicing his riders, but has anyone ever found hard evidence on this? I'm not saying the man is not guilty, but it seems like a big witch hunt on a guy that's never been caught yet. If you're as much into bodybuilding as you say, then you know that most of the performance gains is done in the kitchen with the right diet. The man never raced motocross but he's making sure that what these guys are putting into their bodies is all the right things, whether that's PEDs or not is pure speculation. When I raced motocross, I was always consulting my wrestling coach on diet and exercise. This coming from a guy that never raced or been to a race in his life.

12/17/2017 12:49pm Edited Date/Time 12/17/2017 1:26pm
I just came to this site because I saw the trans world article posted on FB. I was a bodybuilder for about 10 years and know...
I just came to this site because I saw the trans world article posted on FB. I was a bodybuilder for about 10 years and know the ins and outs of steriod use. I also was a MX racer and rode with many top riders in Cairo,ga way before there was a MTF or GPF.....I’ll leave it at that. I stopped racing around 2001.
I went from a 150 lbs bodybuilding contest weight to a m196lbs in about 5 years. I learned quite a bit about the ends and outs of steriod use and how easyily some compounds clear the system
Long story short, I I’m posting because of the article with Baker saying he would never do anything like that with his riders. He is the pioneer of PEDS in motocross.(but wilth less knowledge than optimal from my knowledge) He is clearly doing it now and was with his first athlete that made him rich. I knew exactly what Ken Roczen meant when he said he was now with a trainer that knows what he’s doing.
It’s in motocross like every sport. Lol. A cyclist that’s teaching motocross riders....yeah just like Lance Armstrong that would never do that, huh?
Motocross riders bust their ass on or off PEDS. But this “trainer” knows something know one else does?....funny.
Since my return to riding I have just been tired of seeing this guy lie and put himself up on a high horse. It is what it is.

It’s really is up to your common sense whether you believe what anybody tells you. Just something to think about.
greenmx5 wrote:
150 to 196 in 5 years could easily be done, depending on height, with proper diet and no steroids. So I'm not really sure what the...
150 to 196 in 5 years could easily be done, depending on height, with proper diet and no steroids. So I'm not really sure what the point in bringing that up is. After I was done wrestling in college, I went from 140 to 205 in the matter of 5 years by eating right (and a lot) and power lifting. I then cut down to 190 with 10% BF.

I know everyone is under the assumption Aldon is juicing his riders, but has anyone ever found hard evidence on this? I'm not saying the man is not guilty, but it seems like a big witch hunt on a guy that's never been caught yet. If you're as much into bodybuilding as you say, then you know that most of the performance gains is done in the kitchen with the right diet. The man never raced motocross but he's making sure that what these guys are putting into their bodies is all the right things, whether that's PEDs or not is pure speculation. When I raced motocross, I was always consulting my wrestling coach on diet and exercise. This coming from a guy that never raced or been to a race in his life.

My goodness... I said contest weight which means approximately 5% bf and all water weight off. My off season weight was 265 @ 5’9” (240 with abs) I forget sometimes people that don’t compete is bodybuilding don’t understand that’s 45lbs of solid muscle...not body fat, water, etc. guys tend to think they gain muscle when it’s fat and water. There are three factors and yes diet is #1. More specifically nutrients not calories. I was taught one on one by top finishing IFBB pros...if you know what that means (not insulting)
I’m not going to say anything about proof, but I also wouldn’t say anything as a random observer either. I realize there are a lot of things people like you will comment with an assumption of what I am vaguely stating. It’s far more complex than simple generic understanding of what I’m implying.
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12/17/2017 1:50pm
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And now for another episode of “As the Sprocket Bolts Turn...” lol
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