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newmann 1/15/2014 7:48am
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Premix wrote:
From what I've gathered Ford is suggesting/requring many of their dealers to have a whole seperate shop, i.e. tools, welders, sandpaper, ect to avoid cross contamination...
From what I've gathered Ford is suggesting/requring many of their dealers to have a whole seperate shop, i.e. tools, welders, sandpaper, ect to avoid cross contamination. It'll be interesting to see if they void the body warranty if it's repaired outside of a dealer if the independant body shop isnt setup to properly handle the repairs per fords "suggestion"
That's no different than it is currently. Heck, If a Ford vehicle has collision damage repaired at a Ford dealership, that can also void the body/paint/corrosion warranty on the area that was repaired. Put the wrong color anti freeze in one and you can void the engine warranty. Reuse a bolt going into an aluminum or magnesium part, same thing. Lots of specially coated one time use hardware on vehicles today and many times it's extremely difficult to get proper information.

But yes, hammer on a bare piece of aluminum with a hammer used for steel.....bad shit will happen.
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seth505 1/15/2014 8:01am
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Like every truck thread, this one has gotten hilarious and played out exactly how I would imagine.
Nice to see a few other good looking Rams Smile
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Jack mehoff 1/15/2014 8:14am
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I'm in the collision repair business. All that aluminum and not many techs out there that are too enthused about working on them. The insurance companies...
I'm in the collision repair business. All that aluminum and not many techs out there that are too enthused about working on them. The insurance companies have just enough of a stranglehold on the collision industry that not a whole lot of younger guys getting in this business when they can go to an oil or refinery job making good money with near zero experience and not having to have $50,000.00 to $100,000.00 worth of their own tools and tool boxes. There have been more Euro cars coming all aluminum and some of the equipment costs are staggering to work on just one specific car. This vehicle though will be a game changer, as there will be a buttload of them sold. Not much has been released about how it is constructed yet. Will be interesting to say the least.
Newman don't worry the insurance industry will take care off them , try insuring a aluminum. Frame car jag or Audi when the mfg has them over a barrel they will make the premiums so high no one will by it . I just hope the frame is not aluminum , I f it is dump your ford stock now , and buy gm and dodge , they could be in for a banner year
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Racer92 1/15/2014 8:25am
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seth505 wrote:
Like every truck thread, this one has gotten hilarious and played out exactly how I would imagine. Nice to see a few other good looking Rams...
Like every truck thread, this one has gotten hilarious and played out exactly how I would imagine.
Nice to see a few other good looking Rams Smile
Wanna really make this one interesting ask the Vital-monkeys which oil is best to use. Laughing

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Jack mehoff 1/15/2014 8:27am
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One off the other great things off aluminum is the lack off recoil , you can't hit them with heat , it will melt , you pull it two hard it splits , the only way I see it working is if the frame comes in sections and it's easily bolted / welded or they go to some unibody design
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seth505 wrote:
Like every truck thread, this one has gotten hilarious and played out exactly how I would imagine. Nice to see a few other good looking Rams...
Like every truck thread, this one has gotten hilarious and played out exactly how I would imagine.
Nice to see a few other good looking Rams Smile
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Wanna really make this one interesting ask the Vital-monkeys which oil is best to use. Laughing
I will bite BRAD PENN
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newmann 1/15/2014 8:30am
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seth505 wrote:
Like every truck thread, this one has gotten hilarious and played out exactly how I would imagine. Nice to see a few other good looking Rams...
Like every truck thread, this one has gotten hilarious and played out exactly how I would imagine.
Nice to see a few other good looking Rams Smile
Yep, funny stuff! Trucks in our family....
2001 Ford F-250 4x4 crew cab 7.3 diesel
2007 Toyota Tacoma crew cab V6
2007 GMC "classic" (06 body style) V8 standard cab short bed
2011 Dodge ....uh, I mean "RAM" quad cab puny V8 4x4 base model

None of those gasoline trucks get more than 3 mpg better than my diesel. The big monster truck comments tend to crack me up when few other trucks get much better mileage and can't do nearly the work.

The stripped down Ram is an extremely nice driving vehicle though. Pleasantly surprised. Not to mention it was a leftover vehicle and was discounted from $33,000.00 down to $21,000.00. Smokin' deal for a brand new 4x4 with factory warranty. Vinyl seats and rubber floor mat worked out great for fish boy.Smile
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Premix 1/15/2014 8:34am
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From what I've gathered Ford is suggesting/requring many of their dealers to have a whole seperate shop, i.e. tools, welders, sandpaper, ect to avoid cross contamination...
From what I've gathered Ford is suggesting/requring many of their dealers to have a whole seperate shop, i.e. tools, welders, sandpaper, ect to avoid cross contamination. It'll be interesting to see if they void the body warranty if it's repaired outside of a dealer if the independant body shop isnt setup to properly handle the repairs per fords "suggestion"
newmann wrote:
That's no different than it is currently. Heck, If a Ford vehicle has collision damage repaired at a Ford dealership, that can also void the body/paint/corrosion...
That's no different than it is currently. Heck, If a Ford vehicle has collision damage repaired at a Ford dealership, that can also void the body/paint/corrosion warranty on the area that was repaired. Put the wrong color anti freeze in one and you can void the engine warranty. Reuse a bolt going into an aluminum or magnesium part, same thing. Lots of specially coated one time use hardware on vehicles today and many times it's extremely difficult to get proper information.

But yes, hammer on a bare piece of aluminum with a hammer used for steel.....bad shit will happen.
Do you see this affecting local independants that maybe cant afford to have two entriely different setups?
Dirty Britches 1/15/2014 8:35am
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All I know is the F150 is being made in my backyard - keeping all the GED educated people working seven 12 hour days (the extra time is voluntary) at a crazy $$ per hour rate. Those union workers are getting rich (to be clear, these are people with 10+ years, not a first year rookie).
I'm personal friends with 5 people who work at the plant and I know for a fact when they are at work, they aren't "working" for a good 3 to 4 hours on an 8 hour shift. One of my good friends goes in at 7am, runs on the treadmill for an hour or so, then does a little work starting at 9am. This is 100% true story.
Do all the workers there in all departments get away with this? surely not. But all the 5 I know do. every last one of them. It's just the culture there. Wonder why those new trucks are in the 40's and 50's $$? Labor plays a big role in that.
My next door neighbor works there. He goes in at 4am. When I leave for work at 7:30am, he is pulling in his driveway with a new truck right off the line "testing the alignment" he says. Sum bitch hangs at his house for a good hour or longer, then drives back to work. Sometimes he runs errands on his way back to the plant.
The stories he tells of how little most people work just kill me. Oh, gotta get going, we're leaving for our lake house now....that is how our last conversation ended.
am I jealous? a little....
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SEE ARE125 1/15/2014 8:41am
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Since all the truck guys are in once place, figured you all would enjoy this. lol


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Racer92 1/15/2014 8:51am
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Try that with a Raptor! Tongue

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Dirty Britches wrote:
All I know is the F150 is being made in my backyard - keeping all the GED educated people working seven 12 hour days (the extra...
All I know is the F150 is being made in my backyard - keeping all the GED educated people working seven 12 hour days (the extra time is voluntary) at a crazy $$ per hour rate. Those union workers are getting rich (to be clear, these are people with 10+ years, not a first year rookie).
I'm personal friends with 5 people who work at the plant and I know for a fact when they are at work, they aren't "working" for a good 3 to 4 hours on an 8 hour shift. One of my good friends goes in at 7am, runs on the treadmill for an hour or so, then does a little work starting at 9am. This is 100% true story.
Do all the workers there in all departments get away with this? surely not. But all the 5 I know do. every last one of them. It's just the culture there. Wonder why those new trucks are in the 40's and 50's $$? Labor plays a big role in that.
My next door neighbor works there. He goes in at 4am. When I leave for work at 7:30am, he is pulling in his driveway with a new truck right off the line "testing the alignment" he says. Sum bitch hangs at his house for a good hour or longer, then drives back to work. Sometimes he runs errands on his way back to the plant.
The stories he tells of how little most people work just kill me. Oh, gotta get going, we're leaving for our lake house now....that is how our last conversation ended.
am I jealous? a little....
Are you on vital during work hours?, Can t me mad at the dude if he can get away with it. Pretty sure there are good and perks at his job. If they are hiring, apply there.
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newmann 1/15/2014 9:03am
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Premix wrote:
From what I've gathered Ford is suggesting/requring many of their dealers to have a whole seperate shop, i.e. tools, welders, sandpaper, ect to avoid cross contamination...
From what I've gathered Ford is suggesting/requring many of their dealers to have a whole seperate shop, i.e. tools, welders, sandpaper, ect to avoid cross contamination. It'll be interesting to see if they void the body warranty if it's repaired outside of a dealer if the independant body shop isnt setup to properly handle the repairs per fords "suggestion"
newmann wrote:
That's no different than it is currently. Heck, If a Ford vehicle has collision damage repaired at a Ford dealership, that can also void the body/paint/corrosion...
That's no different than it is currently. Heck, If a Ford vehicle has collision damage repaired at a Ford dealership, that can also void the body/paint/corrosion warranty on the area that was repaired. Put the wrong color anti freeze in one and you can void the engine warranty. Reuse a bolt going into an aluminum or magnesium part, same thing. Lots of specially coated one time use hardware on vehicles today and many times it's extremely difficult to get proper information.

But yes, hammer on a bare piece of aluminum with a hammer used for steel.....bad shit will happen.
Premix wrote:
Do you see this affecting local independants that maybe cant afford to have two entriely different setups?
The insurance industry has already affected the collision repair business both at the dealership and independent level. Thirty years ago there were a lot more shops around than there is today. Shops have gotten really big, or really small. Let's just say the "middle" class has gotten its ass kicked to the curb. I'm still hanging in there! What other industry still charges in the $50.00 range per labor hour? And yes, that's the going labor rate at a Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Porsche .....you name it, dealership collision repair shop. The same dealership mechanic shops will be in the $100.00-$150.00 range.

There is already a good bit of aluminum out there but this will be a big step being such a popular vehicle. It won't require "two entirely different setups" but it will require a good bit more attention to detail as well as some new equipment and training.
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Any mx bike info? lol
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All I know is the F150 is being made in my backyard - keeping all the GED educated people working seven 12 hour days (the extra...
All I know is the F150 is being made in my backyard - keeping all the GED educated people working seven 12 hour days (the extra time is voluntary) at a crazy $$ per hour rate. Those union workers are getting rich (to be clear, these are people with 10+ years, not a first year rookie).
I'm personal friends with 5 people who work at the plant and I know for a fact when they are at work, they aren't "working" for a good 3 to 4 hours on an 8 hour shift. One of my good friends goes in at 7am, runs on the treadmill for an hour or so, then does a little work starting at 9am. This is 100% true story.
Do all the workers there in all departments get away with this? surely not. But all the 5 I know do. every last one of them. It's just the culture there. Wonder why those new trucks are in the 40's and 50's $$? Labor plays a big role in that.
My next door neighbor works there. He goes in at 4am. When I leave for work at 7:30am, he is pulling in his driveway with a new truck right off the line "testing the alignment" he says. Sum bitch hangs at his house for a good hour or longer, then drives back to work. Sometimes he runs errands on his way back to the plant.
The stories he tells of how little most people work just kill me. Oh, gotta get going, we're leaving for our lake house now....that is how our last conversation ended.
am I jealous? a little....
They have some good artists there too. Funny story, we were unboxing a brand new hood for a Ford truck still with all of the factory banding around it. On the inside of the box drawn in magic marker was a giant 4 foot tall smiling penis complete with hairy testicles and tiny legs and arms running his ass off. Laughing
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LLOYD22 1/15/2014 9:17am
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Dirty Britches wrote:
All I know is the F150 is being made in my backyard - keeping all the GED educated people working seven 12 hour days (the extra...
All I know is the F150 is being made in my backyard - keeping all the GED educated people working seven 12 hour days (the extra time is voluntary) at a crazy $$ per hour rate. Those union workers are getting rich (to be clear, these are people with 10+ years, not a first year rookie).
I'm personal friends with 5 people who work at the plant and I know for a fact when they are at work, they aren't "working" for a good 3 to 4 hours on an 8 hour shift. One of my good friends goes in at 7am, runs on the treadmill for an hour or so, then does a little work starting at 9am. This is 100% true story.
Do all the workers there in all departments get away with this? surely not. But all the 5 I know do. every last one of them. It's just the culture there. Wonder why those new trucks are in the 40's and 50's $$? Labor plays a big role in that.
My next door neighbor works there. He goes in at 4am. When I leave for work at 7:30am, he is pulling in his driveway with a new truck right off the line "testing the alignment" he says. Sum bitch hangs at his house for a good hour or longer, then drives back to work. Sometimes he runs errands on his way back to the plant.
The stories he tells of how little most people work just kill me. Oh, gotta get going, we're leaving for our lake house now....that is how our last conversation ended.
am I jealous? a little....
i Just contacted my buddy at ford corporate, he is investigating this at the kansas city plant, hopefully your GED buddies will be looking for another job!
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wolfeman5 1/15/2014 9:21am
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I wonder how much of the truck is actually aluminum...


An anodized truck would be the bomb.com
All of the body is aluminum. I worked on the design of this truck and there were many challenges to overcome.
I am wondering how they are going to control slipping of the rear tires with that light of a truck.
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i Just contacted my buddy at ford corporate, he is investigating this at the kansas city plant, hopefully your GED buddies will be looking for another...
i Just contacted my buddy at ford corporate, he is investigating this at the kansas city plant, hopefully your GED buddies will be looking for another job!

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Racer92 1/15/2014 9:25am
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All of the body is aluminum. I worked on the design of this truck and there were many challenges to overcome. I am wondering how they...
All of the body is aluminum. I worked on the design of this truck and there were many challenges to overcome.
I am wondering how they are going to control slipping of the rear tires with that light of a truck.
Thats a good point. I had bought my son a used Ford Ranger back in 2003 or so. And while it was a great little truck, reliable and good mileage, the rear tires would slip way too easy, to the point of being dangerous if you didnt factor that in when the road was wet. It was VERY bad about hydro-planing also.
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TRON 1/15/2014 9:29am
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TRON wrote:
I wonder how much of the truck is actually aluminum...


An anodized truck would be the bomb.com
wolfeman5 wrote:
All of the body is aluminum. I worked on the design of this truck and there were many challenges to overcome. I am wondering how they...
All of the body is aluminum. I worked on the design of this truck and there were many challenges to overcome.
I am wondering how they are going to control slipping of the rear tires with that light of a truck.
I have a single cab short bed s10.

The new F150 can NOT be anywhere as bad as the s10. It will be fine. In fact, I'd bet you could lose another 500 pounds (overall, not just the bed) before you start having to worry about traction issues.
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mxb2 1/15/2014 9:33am
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Dirty Britches wrote:
All I know is the F150 is being made in my backyard - keeping all the GED educated people working seven 12 hour days (the extra...
All I know is the F150 is being made in my backyard - keeping all the GED educated people working seven 12 hour days (the extra time is voluntary) at a crazy $$ per hour rate. Those union workers are getting rich (to be clear, these are people with 10+ years, not a first year rookie).
I'm personal friends with 5 people who work at the plant and I know for a fact when they are at work, they aren't "working" for a good 3 to 4 hours on an 8 hour shift. One of my good friends goes in at 7am, runs on the treadmill for an hour or so, then does a little work starting at 9am. This is 100% true story.
Do all the workers there in all departments get away with this? surely not. But all the 5 I know do. every last one of them. It's just the culture there. Wonder why those new trucks are in the 40's and 50's $$? Labor plays a big role in that.
My next door neighbor works there. He goes in at 4am. When I leave for work at 7:30am, he is pulling in his driveway with a new truck right off the line "testing the alignment" he says. Sum bitch hangs at his house for a good hour or longer, then drives back to work. Sometimes he runs errands on his way back to the plant.
The stories he tells of how little most people work just kill me. Oh, gotta get going, we're leaving for our lake house now....that is how our last conversation ended.
am I jealous? a little....
LLOYD22 wrote:
i Just contacted my buddy at ford corporate, he is investigating this at the kansas city plant, hopefully your GED buddies will be looking for another...
i Just contacted my buddy at ford corporate, he is investigating this at the kansas city plant, hopefully your GED buddies will be looking for another job!
snitch, lol
keyboardjockey750 1/15/2014 9:37am
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My parents had '78 SR5 longbed also. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2014/01/14/41988/s1200_Toyota_SR_5_Longbed.jpg[/img]
My parents had '78 SR5 longbed also.


I wanna why/how they made a truck in the 70's that can get 33 mpg and they can barely top 20 in a new Tacoma now.
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My parents had '78 SR5 longbed also. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2014/01/14/41988/s1200_Toyota_SR_5_Longbed.jpg[/img]
My parents had '78 SR5 longbed also.


keyboardjockey750 wrote:
I wanna why/how they made a truck in the 70's that can get 33 mpg and they can barely top 20 in a new Tacoma now.
It didn't have the extra 1500 pounds of options, insulation and electronic bullshit that every one has to have on a "truck". Poor f'r's had to roll down their own windows back then....Laughing I do wish someone made a well built yet simple truck these days. One that you could actually add the options you want without having to get "the package".
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I just bough a 2013 F-150 back in september. I love that truck and im getting 20-21 mpg
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It didn't have the extra 1500 pounds of options, insulation and electronic bullshit that every one has to have on a "truck". Poor f'r's had to...
It didn't have the extra 1500 pounds of options, insulation and electronic bullshit that every one has to have on a "truck". Poor f'r's had to roll down their own windows back then....Laughing I do wish someone made a well built yet simple truck these days. One that you could actually add the options you want without having to get "the package".
I agree completely. WAY too much crap on todays 'trucks'. The city boys are to blame because they are the biggest buyer and want all the foo-foo shit. If I could find a NOS 1972 Ford 3/4 with a 360 and a 3-speed with Granny, Id take it over any truck sold today. You damn near cant kick a dent into that sheet metal, vinyl bench seat, no headliner, thick vinyl floor covering, shifter on the hump with rubber-boot and simple vinyl sun visors. I used to own one and regret ever selling that tank. Oh, and the distributor on the 360/390 is on the front so its easy to reach to put new points, condensor, rotor and cap.

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i Just contacted my buddy at ford corporate, he is investigating this at the kansas city plant, hopefully your GED buddies will be looking for another...
i Just contacted my buddy at ford corporate, he is investigating this at the kansas city plant, hopefully your GED buddies will be looking for another job!
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[img]https://rowan.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/nonarking.jpg[/img]
LOl at first glance i thought it said no parking!
keyboardjockey750 1/15/2014 10:04am
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It didn't have the extra 1500 pounds of options, insulation and electronic bullshit that every one has to have on a "truck". Poor f'r's had to...
It didn't have the extra 1500 pounds of options, insulation and electronic bullshit that every one has to have on a "truck". Poor f'r's had to roll down their own windows back then....Laughing I do wish someone made a well built yet simple truck these days. One that you could actually add the options you want without having to get "the package".
Yea I guess your right. I wish somebody would make something simple again like this. I think they would sell like hot cakes.

Sorta like 2 stroke dirt bikes, everybody really needs to make those againSmile
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i Just contacted my buddy at ford corporate, he is investigating this at the kansas city plant, hopefully your GED buddies will be looking for another...
i Just contacted my buddy at ford corporate, he is investigating this at the kansas city plant, hopefully your GED buddies will be looking for another job!
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Reminds me of a few years back when all those dodge employee's were busted in a park on lunch hour drinking beer's and smoking pot. A news reporter busted them and when he showed up they all hauled ass out of there. The Union decided to send them home for a week, paid for disciplinary measures. I feel like unions still have a place but stuff like this angers me to no end.
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What are you guys with the ecoboost getting for mileage?

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