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My old workhorse. Nick named her "big booty judy" but my fiance' like to call her "kardashian"
What's crazy is all of the 60k+ half ton trucks out there now. I saw 1500 half ton series trucks that stickered for more than the sticker on an Ltz crew cab duramax.
I wouldn't mind tuning this but I don't want to void warranty, and I don't think I'd tune it without doing a cp3 pump swap. Doubt I'll own it long enough for 3-4000$ worth of parts to pay off in fuel economy savings.
The Shop
Typically A/X plan is a set price on the invoice sheet, so even though the dealer wants X amount over sticker he has to sell for the discounted price, and dont let the dealer fill your head with I am losing money BS, they get the difference from Ford Credit. I know when people live outside the area where there are alot of OEM's and are trying to use a employee discount dealers arent sure how to do it because they rarely do it.
4:10 or 4:30 gear ratio is so nice if you are towing, however infrequently or frequently it is with a gas 3/4 or 1 ton truck. There is hardly a change in fuel economy too. In my experience, no more than 1-2 mpgs.
The margins on these trucks have got to be insane. I feel like you should be able to get a base model 4x4 half ton for low 20s. It's not even close to that.
My wifes 15' ecoboost is my favorite vehicle I own. I even like it better than my duramax. Although I wish it had the 3.5 and not the 2.7.
Pit Row
This truck weighs just under 5k lbs (like 4889 without fuel i think) and has 365hp and 420 lb/ft of torque. My 1999 7.3 weighed about 8,000 lbs (roughly, my accuracy on this one my be a bit off but I know I'm in the ballpark) and only had 240hp and 425 lb/ft of torque. The power/weight ratio is much better on the F150. The braking is about equal between the two trucks in my opinion. The trailer I'm pulling has very good brakes also so this probably affects this statement a bit.
Also I'm getting 20mpg driving the truck unloaded back and forth to work.
The F150 obviously can't take the place of a modern 3/4ton diesel truck, but with the factory tow rating of 10,700 on my truck (and mine doesn't have the max tow package) it really does take the place of a 3/4ton truck of a few years ago. I also owned a few 6.0 fords and I believe this would out-pull them also (to a certain weight). The suspension on the 3/4ton is heavier obviously, but I added airbags to my F150 to help with some of that. I really am impressed with the performance of this truck, and it fits my family's needs very very well.
FWIW I was out looking to buy a 3/4 ton diesel when I bought this truck. After owning this truck I would never ever consider buying a 3/4ton gas truck.
I've got the exact opposite experience. I would never consider going back to a half ton truck, after purchasing the 3/4 diesel. The resale is much better, and you arent legally overweight when towing. Fuel mileage is a wash, i'll get 20 mpg sailing down the highway at 77 mpg.
With the prices of trucks now theres really not a whole lot of price point difference between a 3/4 ton diesel and a well equipped half ton if you are purchasing when there are incentives. FWIW i would never consider buying a 3/4 ton gas truck.
I also understand that most half tons aren't up to this task. I made the same trip with my 2013 Ram1500 hemi and it was a miserable 4000rpm experience. The new ecoboost gives a half ton truck a little more oomph to get the job done, and done without any screaming, or feeling overburdened (gotta love the effects that a turbo has on an engine). If I towed this setup more than 2x a year I would probably go with the 3/4ton diesel.
And you are exactly right on the pricing aspect. I even test drove a similar F250 back to back with this truck and ended up with the F150. I just do so much commuting with mine that the extra costs associated with running the 3/4ton don't work for my particular setup right now. Plus I enjoy the silent cab and smoother ride for now. I'm sure at some point I'll end up back in a 3/4 or 1 ton (we want to purchase a toy hauler in the upcoming years), but for now this truck fills the void very very nicely.
Utah banning certain trucks
Maybe I don't get the joke?
It was literally starting to disintegrate before my very eyes...
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