The AMA is violating YOUR privacy by selling your information.

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Edited Date/Time 8/22/2019 3:03am
The fine print (bottom of image): "Nationwide has made a financial contribution to this organization in return for the opportunity to market products and services to its members."


I, like many others pay, for my AMA membership, it not a free service. Where do they get off selling my personal info?



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8/20/2019 2:11pm Edited Date/Time 8/20/2019 2:26pm
Because you signed up for it, agreed to it, paid for it.

Your bank, credit card, hotel membership, car rental, electric company, airline miles membership, car loan, home loan, gym membership, telephone company, magazine subscriptions, Amazon, facebook, iphone, google, etc etc etc, are all selling your shit.



The GOV has created thru law a system that puts regular peps are a severe disadvantage by allowing companies to put out huge legal documents that are frequently written in legalese that is impossible to understand. Yet we click yes/sign up to what ever, agreeing to who knows what.



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8/20/2019 2:11pm
Your information gets sold every day, you just don’t know it. But yes, I agree, it’s annoying to throw their flyers away every other month.
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8/20/2019 2:12pm
What even are terms of service?
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check the SLA (contracts) on every app on your phone. Every app you have and every website you visit, everything you google is being tracked, recorded, and sold to marketing companies. With your consent, just like the AMA is its nothing new.

The Shop

8/20/2019 2:23pm
Welcome to marketing. This is how it works. It's not unique to the AMA trying to destroy the universe. Nobody is passing out your SSN bro.
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8/20/2019 2:25pm
Credit reporting agencies are the worse.

One hit for a mortgage refi and I get bombed with 10 loan officers all over the country wanting me to refinance.
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8/20/2019 2:49pm
I got the same thing this afternoon from the AMA, I just hit delete. I beleave everyone sells your info even if they state that they don't, if I order things online it's only a matter days that I get spam/junk emails from companys i've never ordered from or delt with.
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8/20/2019 2:58pm
Get info, sell info, steel info , resale stolen info. AMA motto not helping riders or protecting their rights

it's all covered in the South Park ass to mouth episode.
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Always have Daemon check the licence plate while you're at it
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I've been an AMA Charter Life Member for 15 years now at least and this is the first "ad" I can remember getting. Got this same BS from Nationwide today. I immediately unsubscribed. It's the way of the world nowadays but we don't have to like it!
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Hmm...what's funny is they didn't used to. I know, because I tried to get a list once for marketing and they said they don't sell it. But that was about 15 years ago.
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500 Mike wrote:
I've been an AMA Charter Life Member for 15 years now at least and this is the first "ad" I can remember getting. Got this same...
I've been an AMA Charter Life Member for 15 years now at least and this is the first "ad" I can remember getting. Got this same BS from Nationwide today. I immediately unsubscribed. It's the way of the world nowadays but we don't have to like it!
Same.

I get the notion of selling data when you offer a free service. But selling my data when I pay for your service, c'mon now.
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500 Mike wrote:
I've been an AMA Charter Life Member for 15 years now at least and this is the first "ad" I can remember getting. Got this same...
I've been an AMA Charter Life Member for 15 years now at least and this is the first "ad" I can remember getting. Got this same BS from Nationwide today. I immediately unsubscribed. It's the way of the world nowadays but we don't have to like it!
mtl wrote:
Same.

I get the notion of selling data when you offer a free service. But selling my data when I pay for your service, c'mon now.
Why do you assume what you pay is covering the full amount they need to run the business?

Either they raise the fees a and charge you, or they charge someone else like selling data that is of zero real concern for you.

You pay for tv subscriptions, but still get adds in most stuff. There is a business case to be made somewhere.
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You should consider yourself lucky as I have just received something similar from the french one about some personal attributes enlargement.


just kidding, #trythethrottle
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What are they selling? your name and address?
8/21/2019 8:18am
From: http://www.americanmotorcyclist.com/About-The-AMA/Story/AMA-Privacy-Pol…

How do we use your personal information?
Our primary purpose in using personal information we collect is to provide service for your AMA membership and provide you with products and services you request, such as gift shop purchases, e-mail newsletters, and access to members-only content on our Web site.

On occasion, if you instruct us to, we may also use your membership information to send you information about special offers, benefits and services provided by the AMA and its affiliates. If you do not wish to receive this information, please let us know by calling us at (800) AMA-JOIN, e-mailing us at ama@ama-cycle.org or writing to us at 13515 Yarmouth Dr., Pickerington, OH, 43147.

From time to time, if you instruct us to, we make our membership list available to other reputable organizations whose products or services we think you might find interesting. If you do not want us to share your address with other companies or organizations, please let us know by calling us at (800) AMA-JOIN, e-mailing us at ama@ama-cycle.org or writing to us at 13515 Yarmouth Dr., Pickerington, OH, 43147.
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8/21/2019 9:08am
In case you don't know, your smart phone is listening to all your conversations for key words to know what to drop in all the marketing slots in your daily device interactions. The AMA should be the least of your worries.
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8/21/2019 9:37am
chuckie108 wrote:
In case you don't know, your smart phone is listening to all your conversations for key words to know what to drop in all the marketing...
In case you don't know, your smart phone is listening to all your conversations for key words to know what to drop in all the marketing slots in your daily device interactions. The AMA should be the least of your worries.
Exactly the point I was trying to make above with "The Great Hack" documentary....people think all these voice activated devices are so amazing but they have no idea what is going on in today's AI world.

Does everyone realize your voices will be duplicated soon by bots to the point it will be indistinguishable over a phone conversation? Try to comprehend what kind of crazy stuff we'll be dealing with soon when this starts happening:

Bot calls Mom:
"Mom, I need you to wire me some money. I don't have time to go into detail right now but I lost my walled and need you to wire 5K to this company I'm hiring to do some work for me"

Bot calls Dad:
"Dad, I lost my house key today so can you leave the sliding door open on your way to work in the morning? I'll be home around 8am after you leave"

For those who don't understand or can't comprehend, everything you see or hear will be fake and you won't know what is real, what is a bot, and what is a crook talking with your synthesized voice to scam or steal...it's going to get ugly.

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8/21/2019 10:43am
All of this data mining is going to get very complicated and expensive after the first of the year with new privacy laws coming into place.
8/21/2019 11:01am
How hard is it to register on donotcall.gov and burn some junk mail? I agree it's annoying, but momma Lucia, nobody is stealing your identity.
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8/21/2019 11:07am
chuckie108 wrote:
In case you don't know, your smart phone is listening to all your conversations for key words to know what to drop in all the marketing...
In case you don't know, your smart phone is listening to all your conversations for key words to know what to drop in all the marketing slots in your daily device interactions. The AMA should be the least of your worries.
Exactly the point I was trying to make above with "The Great Hack" documentary....people think all these voice activated devices are so amazing but they have...
Exactly the point I was trying to make above with "The Great Hack" documentary....people think all these voice activated devices are so amazing but they have no idea what is going on in today's AI world.

Does everyone realize your voices will be duplicated soon by bots to the point it will be indistinguishable over a phone conversation? Try to comprehend what kind of crazy stuff we'll be dealing with soon when this starts happening:

Bot calls Mom:
"Mom, I need you to wire me some money. I don't have time to go into detail right now but I lost my walled and need you to wire 5K to this company I'm hiring to do some work for me"

Bot calls Dad:
"Dad, I lost my house key today so can you leave the sliding door open on your way to work in the morning? I'll be home around 8am after you leave"

For those who don't understand or can't comprehend, everything you see or hear will be fake and you won't know what is real, what is a bot, and what is a crook talking with your synthesized voice to scam or steal...it's going to get ugly.

And that will be fixed with secure digital IDs.
A comparison is that you in today's time would send your mother a letter asking her to put 100 bucks in an envelope and send back to an address she is not familiar with but has your name on it...
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8/21/2019 11:08am Edited Date/Time 8/21/2019 11:08am
All of this data mining is going to get very complicated and expensive after the first of the year with new privacy laws coming into place.
Link to a primer on the new laws?
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8/21/2019 11:25am
All of this data mining is going to get very complicated and expensive after the first of the year with new privacy laws coming into place.
early wrote:
Link to a primer on the new laws?
Here is the California law effective January 1, and it will control certain commercial businesses wherever located that do business with California Consumers.

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displayText.xhtml?division=3.&part=4.&lawCode=CIV&title=1.81.5.

Unclear whether it would govern the AMA as it does not apply to nonprofits, yet. It is alike but not identical to the GDPR in the EU. I think the count is 15-16 other states with legislation akin to the new California law. At some point expect a federal law in order to create some uniformity across states.

There are also existing privacy notice laws that require websites to publish a privacy policy that describes data collection and sharing. California's existing privacy notice law also requires information on how the website treats do not track instructions from a user.

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8/21/2019 11:26am
chuckie108 wrote:
In case you don't know, your smart phone is listening to all your conversations for key words to know what to drop in all the marketing...
In case you don't know, your smart phone is listening to all your conversations for key words to know what to drop in all the marketing slots in your daily device interactions. The AMA should be the least of your worries.
Exactly the point I was trying to make above with "The Great Hack" documentary....people think all these voice activated devices are so amazing but they have...
Exactly the point I was trying to make above with "The Great Hack" documentary....people think all these voice activated devices are so amazing but they have no idea what is going on in today's AI world.

Does everyone realize your voices will be duplicated soon by bots to the point it will be indistinguishable over a phone conversation? Try to comprehend what kind of crazy stuff we'll be dealing with soon when this starts happening:

Bot calls Mom:
"Mom, I need you to wire me some money. I don't have time to go into detail right now but I lost my walled and need you to wire 5K to this company I'm hiring to do some work for me"

Bot calls Dad:
"Dad, I lost my house key today so can you leave the sliding door open on your way to work in the morning? I'll be home around 8am after you leave"

For those who don't understand or can't comprehend, everything you see or hear will be fake and you won't know what is real, what is a bot, and what is a crook talking with your synthesized voice to scam or steal...it's going to get ugly.

aees wrote:
And that will be fixed with secure digital IDs. A comparison is that you in today's time would send your mother a letter asking her to...
And that will be fixed with secure digital IDs.
A comparison is that you in today's time would send your mother a letter asking her to put 100 bucks in an envelope and send back to an address she is not familiar with but has your name on it...
A secure digital ID won't fix anything over Grandma's land line. I don't think you can understand the severity of this threat unless you are engrained in the tech industry and have visibility to what is currently evolving. Just imagine someone being able to use your voice real time...and the amount of trouble they can get into by using it as a scamming tool.

I'm just scratching the surface here with everything else that we'll be faced with soon.
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8/21/2019 12:06pm
Make sure your have your settings adjusted on the AMA website. Most sites will default you to receiving information and adding you to their call list.

Make the following changes in your account if you haven't already

Phone section and "edit"


Email section and "edit"

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Exactly the point I was trying to make above with "The Great Hack" documentary....people think all these voice activated devices are so amazing but they have...
Exactly the point I was trying to make above with "The Great Hack" documentary....people think all these voice activated devices are so amazing but they have no idea what is going on in today's AI world.

Does everyone realize your voices will be duplicated soon by bots to the point it will be indistinguishable over a phone conversation? Try to comprehend what kind of crazy stuff we'll be dealing with soon when this starts happening:

Bot calls Mom:
"Mom, I need you to wire me some money. I don't have time to go into detail right now but I lost my walled and need you to wire 5K to this company I'm hiring to do some work for me"

Bot calls Dad:
"Dad, I lost my house key today so can you leave the sliding door open on your way to work in the morning? I'll be home around 8am after you leave"

For those who don't understand or can't comprehend, everything you see or hear will be fake and you won't know what is real, what is a bot, and what is a crook talking with your synthesized voice to scam or steal...it's going to get ugly.

aees wrote:
And that will be fixed with secure digital IDs. A comparison is that you in today's time would send your mother a letter asking her to...
And that will be fixed with secure digital IDs.
A comparison is that you in today's time would send your mother a letter asking her to put 100 bucks in an envelope and send back to an address she is not familiar with but has your name on it...
A secure digital ID won't fix anything over Grandma's land line. I don't think you can understand the severity of this threat unless you are engrained...
A secure digital ID won't fix anything over Grandma's land line. I don't think you can understand the severity of this threat unless you are engrained in the tech industry and have visibility to what is currently evolving. Just imagine someone being able to use your voice real time...and the amount of trouble they can get into by using it as a scamming tool.

I'm just scratching the surface here with everything else that we'll be faced with soon.
Think i got the security part covered, i built up a company that had departments which only focus was device security (bootloaders, linux/rtos, software stacks, applications)...

30 years ago you would hand out your pin code and card number to anyone calling saying it was from the bank. 20 years ago you would use it on any website that had a eshop storing the info in clear text in a database.

People used to give their credit card to people using a manual machine to transfer your card information to a piece of paper. Today you wont.

The world did not collapse.

My point is, you can already today fake identity over multiple mediums that you could describe as catastrophic if someone would try and scale it.

We learn, and adapt.
8/21/2019 12:51pm
aees wrote:
And that will be fixed with secure digital IDs. A comparison is that you in today's time would send your mother a letter asking her to...
And that will be fixed with secure digital IDs.
A comparison is that you in today's time would send your mother a letter asking her to put 100 bucks in an envelope and send back to an address she is not familiar with but has your name on it...
A secure digital ID won't fix anything over Grandma's land line. I don't think you can understand the severity of this threat unless you are engrained...
A secure digital ID won't fix anything over Grandma's land line. I don't think you can understand the severity of this threat unless you are engrained in the tech industry and have visibility to what is currently evolving. Just imagine someone being able to use your voice real time...and the amount of trouble they can get into by using it as a scamming tool.

I'm just scratching the surface here with everything else that we'll be faced with soon.
aees wrote:
Think i got the security part covered, i built up a company that had departments which only focus was device security (bootloaders, linux/rtos, software stacks, applications)...
Think i got the security part covered, i built up a company that had departments which only focus was device security (bootloaders, linux/rtos, software stacks, applications)...

30 years ago you would hand out your pin code and card number to anyone calling saying it was from the bank. 20 years ago you would use it on any website that had a eshop storing the info in clear text in a database.

People used to give their credit card to people using a manual machine to transfer your card information to a piece of paper. Today you wont.

The world did not collapse.

My point is, you can already today fake identity over multiple mediums that you could describe as catastrophic if someone would try and scale it.

We learn, and adapt.
AI wasn't around in it's form 20-30 years ago as it is today.

Very interesting with all your experience you don't see AI as a growing threat. We're not just talking about identity theft here. Like I said that is a tiny piece of it all and it's barley scratching the surface.

AI will learn and adapt, much faster than humans.

To each his own.
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A secure digital ID won't fix anything over Grandma's land line. I don't think you can understand the severity of this threat unless you are engrained...
A secure digital ID won't fix anything over Grandma's land line. I don't think you can understand the severity of this threat unless you are engrained in the tech industry and have visibility to what is currently evolving. Just imagine someone being able to use your voice real time...and the amount of trouble they can get into by using it as a scamming tool.

I'm just scratching the surface here with everything else that we'll be faced with soon.
aees wrote:
Think i got the security part covered, i built up a company that had departments which only focus was device security (bootloaders, linux/rtos, software stacks, applications)...
Think i got the security part covered, i built up a company that had departments which only focus was device security (bootloaders, linux/rtos, software stacks, applications)...

30 years ago you would hand out your pin code and card number to anyone calling saying it was from the bank. 20 years ago you would use it on any website that had a eshop storing the info in clear text in a database.

People used to give their credit card to people using a manual machine to transfer your card information to a piece of paper. Today you wont.

The world did not collapse.

My point is, you can already today fake identity over multiple mediums that you could describe as catastrophic if someone would try and scale it.

We learn, and adapt.
AI wasn't around in it's form 20-30 years ago as it is today. Very interesting with all your experience you don't see AI as a growing...
AI wasn't around in it's form 20-30 years ago as it is today.

Very interesting with all your experience you don't see AI as a growing threat. We're not just talking about identity theft here. Like I said that is a tiny piece of it all and it's barley scratching the surface.

AI will learn and adapt, much faster than humans.

To each his own.
It is absolutely a threat, so was card skimming, card cloning, identify theft via fake I'd cards, fake
calls from banks and so on. They where all considered major threats at one point. Same with social media or messenger accounts theft.

Today less and less consider a analog (well digital) phone line a trusted communication channel, not even elderly people.

For a digital scam or identity theft to be successful it requires scale. First capturing a specific voice (or beat case emulating one) and then finding a target that not only will trust based on voice but also give away crucial info or transfer funds without suspicion raised is not scaleable.

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