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Big Lenny
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Invented the Cross Up?...Cool
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Joel Robert on a CZ in '68 ish then, Rog DeCoster made it famous... on the 160lb Suzuki
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Classic Jim Pomeroy


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Was it Harry Leary?.....
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I have no idea. I know I was a copy cat.... especially the one handed crossup wheelie with peace sign. I performed it for a local British tv show back in the '70's. Trouble was...my bud had put on new grips with grease. When I lifted the front...the left grip slipped off and I flung it straight into the camera. I whiskey throttled straight toward the fence...luckily that Yamaha 400 turned like a knife. I grabbed the greasy bar and hooked a 90 right and saved it. The film crew thought it was all intentional and I didn't say differentWhistling
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BOO freacking Stichter leading Lakewood national
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BOO Freacking Stitchter handled it leading Lakewood national
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Big Lenny 9/13/2022 2:49pm
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Seems everybody knows who invented the scrub but stupid when it comes the cross up....Laughing
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Big Lenny wrote:
Invented the Cross Up?...Cool
First time I saw a true cross up was 1973 at a race in Chetek WI. Guys name was Bruce. Can’t remember his last name but they called him Groovy Bruce. He raced a Suzuki TM 125. Maybe it was 1974.

Anyway. He invented it as far as I’m concerned.
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Big Lenny wrote:
Seems everybody knows who invented the scrub but stupid when it comes the cross up....Laughing
Fuck Lenny, that's like asking who invented the flying W.
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Intro to On Any Sunday. Whoever that kid is.
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dsmith wrote:
Was it Harry Leary?.....
Leary was poster child for the look back!
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wwoberg wrote:
Intro to On Any Sunday. Whoever that kid is.

Jeff Ward?

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mvmx 9/13/2022 7:33pm
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Dave v3.0 wrote:
This guy...long before the Suzuki days! [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/09/13/568348/s1200_Screen_Shot_2022_09_13_at_8.59.35_PM.jpg[/img]
This guy...long before the Suzuki days!
Yes I stand corrected! That's the pic I remember and a similar pic of Joel in a cross up wheelie.
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toroP 9/13/2022 11:00pm
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Searights wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/09/13/568351/s1200_377F2344_2806_45FE_B712_B06B289AEE5F.jpg[/img]

That’s a bit scrubbish, there. Seems there scrub is not an invention, but an evolution, born from the cross-up.
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Big Lenny 9/13/2022 11:11pm
9/13/2022 11:11pm Edited Date/Time 9/13/2022 11:16pm
You'll never see a scrub with the wheel turned up...More like a whip..Dry
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jeffro503 9/14/2022 12:36am
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Big Lenny wrote:
You'll never see a scrub with the wheel turned up...More like a whip..Dry
Hmm?? I guess that depends on the timing of the photo. Scrubbing isn't done just one way. It never has been. BMX guys from the 70's and 80's taught us this. Front tire pointing up is more old style for sure , and the tire pointing downwards is more of an aggressive way to get the bike back on the ground. " Inventing " the scrub happened many decades ago and evolved over time. People were scrubbing years before James was ever even born , but James took it to a whole new level. As did Trey Canard , that took it to an even more extreme level , which James himself even admitted. Where is the shame in that?

Everything in this sport ,. like all sports , evolve. That's why records keep getting broken. Everything cool you see today , was started by someone else , then improved. Never understood your stance on this. A " Scrub " started in BMX when we were young. James took what guys like MC were already doing , and changed it ( Evolved ) and started slamming that front wheel downward. But make no mistake , he didn't " Invent " it , he improved it , to a very high level. Just like guy's now have gotten even more extreme with it.




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mx295 9/14/2022 7:06am
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jeffro503 wrote:
Hmm?? I guess that depends on the timing of the photo. Scrubbing isn't done just one way. It never has been. BMX guys from the 70's...
Hmm?? I guess that depends on the timing of the photo. Scrubbing isn't done just one way. It never has been. BMX guys from the 70's and 80's taught us this. Front tire pointing up is more old style for sure , and the tire pointing downwards is more of an aggressive way to get the bike back on the ground. " Inventing " the scrub happened many decades ago and evolved over time. People were scrubbing years before James was ever even born , but James took it to a whole new level. As did Trey Canard , that took it to an even more extreme level , which James himself even admitted. Where is the shame in that?

Everything in this sport ,. like all sports , evolve. That's why records keep getting broken. Everything cool you see today , was started by someone else , then improved. Never understood your stance on this. A " Scrub " started in BMX when we were young. James took what guys like MC were already doing , and changed it ( Evolved ) and started slamming that front wheel downward. But make no mistake , he didn't " Invent " it , he improved it , to a very high level. Just like guy's now have gotten even more extreme with it.




I’ve bought several bikes and SXS’s at Burt’s and they never taught me how to scrub. 😬
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Big Lenny 9/14/2022 7:38am
9/14/2022 7:38am Edited Date/Time 9/14/2022 7:43am
Big Lenny wrote:
You'll never see a scrub with the wheel turned up...More like a whip..Dry
jeffro503 wrote:
Hmm?? I guess that depends on the timing of the photo. Scrubbing isn't done just one way. It never has been. BMX guys from the 70's...
Hmm?? I guess that depends on the timing of the photo. Scrubbing isn't done just one way. It never has been. BMX guys from the 70's and 80's taught us this. Front tire pointing up is more old style for sure , and the tire pointing downwards is more of an aggressive way to get the bike back on the ground. " Inventing " the scrub happened many decades ago and evolved over time. People were scrubbing years before James was ever even born , but James took it to a whole new level. As did Trey Canard , that took it to an even more extreme level , which James himself even admitted. Where is the shame in that?

Everything in this sport ,. like all sports , evolve. That's why records keep getting broken. Everything cool you see today , was started by someone else , then improved. Never understood your stance on this. A " Scrub " started in BMX when we were young. James took what guys like MC were already doing , and changed it ( Evolved ) and started slamming that front wheel downward. But make no mistake , he didn't " Invent " it , he improved it , to a very high level. Just like guy's now have gotten even more extreme with it.




Can you show me 5 pics or videos of someone doin' this in the past?...No one had never seen what James until Budds Creek..I've been watching Moto since 1970 and seen all the greats raceso "No" they weren't doin' it all the time no one was..In fact why couldn't they figure out what he was doin'...Dry
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Searights 9/14/2022 8:03am
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Sigh. There have already been pics shown and many have gone on record proving James did NOT invent it! He may have perfected it, but wasn’t the first to do it. What does it matter?
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Big Lenny 9/14/2022 8:07am
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Searights wrote:
Sigh. There have already been pics shown and many have gone on record proving James did NOT invent it! He may have perfected it, but wasn’t...
Sigh. There have already been pics shown and many have gone on record proving James did NOT invent it! He may have perfected it, but wasn’t the first to do it. What does it matter?
Who JoJo show me video Seascroll...Laughing
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