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7/31/2019 7:21am
I recently purchased a used 2017 TC 125. The bike has 47 hours on it, 10 hours on a new piston and clutch.
It runs great everywhere, but right where it comes into the powerband. I'm not sure how to describe what it's doing, kind of cutting out or bogging. It runs great up to that point and after it. But it you keep the throttle right at that mid position it continues to get worse, add throttle and you're on the pipe and all is good. Replaced spark plug just to rule it out, plug is a light brown after a few laps.
Initially I thought it was the 45 pilot jet that was stock on the 2017. Switched to a 35 to match the 2018 spec, didn't make a difference. It has a 480 main, stock needle and I've been all over the place with the clip position, doesn't seem to cure the problem. With the 45 pilot it would load up in the mid-range, now it seems to run much cleaner but is still cutting out.
Powervalve seems to be functioning as it should and not sticking when revving it on the stand. The powervalve was adjusted to about 4 turns in from full out, changed it to 2 turns. This definitely made the power come on sooner and smoother, but it's still acting up.
Finally I pulled the reeds out. There are some pretty big gaps - could this be the issue? I would have thought reeds would affect the bottom or the top, not the middle but maybe I'm wrong. When I pulled the reed out there was quite a bit of gas in there that came out with them.
Pictures show the reeds sitting on a flashlight. The gaps are twice the thickness of the reed in places.
It runs great everywhere, but right where it comes into the powerband. I'm not sure how to describe what it's doing, kind of cutting out or bogging. It runs great up to that point and after it. But it you keep the throttle right at that mid position it continues to get worse, add throttle and you're on the pipe and all is good. Replaced spark plug just to rule it out, plug is a light brown after a few laps.
Initially I thought it was the 45 pilot jet that was stock on the 2017. Switched to a 35 to match the 2018 spec, didn't make a difference. It has a 480 main, stock needle and I've been all over the place with the clip position, doesn't seem to cure the problem. With the 45 pilot it would load up in the mid-range, now it seems to run much cleaner but is still cutting out.
Powervalve seems to be functioning as it should and not sticking when revving it on the stand. The powervalve was adjusted to about 4 turns in from full out, changed it to 2 turns. This definitely made the power come on sooner and smoother, but it's still acting up.
Finally I pulled the reeds out. There are some pretty big gaps - could this be the issue? I would have thought reeds would affect the bottom or the top, not the middle but maybe I'm wrong. When I pulled the reed out there was quite a bit of gas in there that came out with them.
Pictures show the reeds sitting on a flashlight. The gaps are twice the thickness of the reed in places.
I would suspect that the power valves are fluttering.
Paw Paw
Went ahead and ordered v-force reeds.
The Shop
1- Replace Reeds
2- Try F1 Power valves arms (Clean and lube power valve assembly)
3- JD Jett Kit
My bike was fine with stock arms and with F1, some people notice a night and day difference if they are experiencing problems with OEM.
There's no performance gain besides them helping to make your PV work normal.
Also if I turn the arm by hand it's very notchy moving it slow and will not always return to full closed on it's own, if I move it fast it's smooth and returns easily. With the bike running it never seems to get hung up.
I'm new to the ktm/husky world, trying to get it all sorted as quickly as possible so thanks for all the help.
The gaps in your reeds are the first thing you need to fix, for sure. They should be sealed.
I'll put the v-force in tonight, fingers crossed that's all I need.
Since the F1 arms have such a long lead time I think I'll clean and polish the stock powervalve and arms tonight and see if that helps. Was really hoping to race this weekend but I'm running out of time!
Added a video so you can hear what it's doing in case there is something else that I should look into. Also went through the electrical connections and checked the mag side crank seal. Don't really want to get into grinding the slide since I don't know what I'm doing there.
You are not the only one who has experienced the VFarce lack of change by the way.
Most people claim the slide affects the off-idle jetting. My issue is mid range. Runs fine off idle and on top, terrible in between.
Here are some pics through the exhaust port.
Pit Row
Paw Paw
But I also don't see any coolant in those photos you posted? I'm confused a bit on where you are seeing it.
When I loosened the 4 bolts on the front cover coolant came leaking out, but now I'm stuck not being able to see inside until I get time to pull the cylinder off. I'm not sure how it's getting in there or being held in there and not going out the pipe. To add to my confusion the coolant is full.
Here's a photo, he's holding it upside down but you can see the port.
https://youtu.be/vDIu5WX_PYo
With that said, I still think your best case is to drain all the coolant, pull of the head to clean everything, make sure not coolant went into the bottom end. Get those PV arms back in smooth order.
So I cleaned the side pieces #11 on the diagram and filed the arms to remove the sharp angle. Power valve moves silky smooth now. I will have to get a base gasket and remove the cylinder to clean everything good.
Now I'm tempted to take it with me to the race...
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