Favorite Oddball MX Bikes

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3/24/2013 12:43am Edited Date/Time 3/24/2013 1:08am
Wandell wrote:
I always thought the Cagiva's were pretty cool. The monsterous, first purpose built four strokes always peaked my interest also. Especially one as innovative as this...
I always thought the Cagiva's were pretty cool. The monsterous, first purpose built four strokes always peaked my interest also. Especially one as innovative as this ATK.









MX690 wrote:
I think this is the winner. It looks like 10 different people had 10 different ideas and they couldn't decide so they settled on a compromise...
I think this is the winner. It looks like 10 different people had 10 different ideas and they couldn't decide so they settled on a compromise and ended up with that thing. Love the disc brake rear sprocket chain thing set up, talk about over complicating something.
The real star from ATK was the 2-stroke Rotax-powered machine. The 406. I had a riding buddy who had many a ATK and the 406 was a pretty good machine anywhere outside of an actual mx track. It sure was trick to look at in 1990. The one thing most people don't know about contershaft-mounted rear brakes is that they wear out chains and sprockets twice as fast and if the chain snaps (which happens on 400cc+ 2-strokes) you're left without rear brakes- and thats how you slap your face on the dirt! Wink

Horst Leitner is a pretty amazing disigner/engineer/inventor in the annals of motorcycling history. ATK 406 article in MXA

...and there was spin-off company using ATK tooling and designs. It was known as the Avenger. Manufactured by American Dirt Bike Inc. This is truly an oddball. Very trick oddballs. The cycle parts (including the WP suspension components) were almost entirely hand made/welded/machined. If I remember right these bikes were in the $8,000 range in 1995 (could be 94' or 96') when they were featured in MXA. A CR 250 was about $4k




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X-RACER wrote:
IDK but I still want one after all these years. I think thats a 78 I ended up with a common RM instead.
I still think its one of the best looking bikes ever.
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[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2013/03/22/77canam250_440940.JPG[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2013/03/22/1977_mx3_250_732239.jpg[/img]



qtrracer wrote:
My knees and back ache just looking at the picture of this bike. If you look closely you can see the hinge in the middle along...
My knees and back ache just looking at the picture of this bike. If you look closely you can see the hinge in the middle along with the rider ejection seat, these were factory installed without any possibility of exclusion or removal.
Its probably a good thing that they were rare, it looks better than it handled but I remember Jimmy Ellis racing it and I thought it was so cool.

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3/24/2013 2:57am
Did those CCM's make it into production?
3/24/2013 3:16am
Katoomey wrote:
The real star from ATK was the 2-stroke Rotax-powered machine. The 406. I had a riding buddy who had many a ATK and the 406 was...
The real star from ATK was the 2-stroke Rotax-powered machine. The 406. I had a riding buddy who had many a ATK and the 406 was a pretty good machine anywhere outside of an actual mx track. It sure was trick to look at in 1990. The one thing most people don't know about contershaft-mounted rear brakes is that they wear out chains and sprockets twice as fast and if the chain snaps (which happens on 400cc+ 2-strokes) you're left without rear brakes- and thats how you slap your face on the dirt! Wink

Horst Leitner is a pretty amazing disigner/engineer/inventor in the annals of motorcycling history. ATK 406 article in MXA

...and there was spin-off company using ATK tooling and designs. It was known as the Avenger. Manufactured by American Dirt Bike Inc. This is truly an oddball. Very trick oddballs. The cycle parts (including the WP suspension components) were almost entirely hand made/welded/machined. If I remember right these bikes were in the $8,000 range in 1995 (could be 94' or 96') when they were featured in MXA. A CR 250 was about $4k




Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think ATK added a rear disc (in addition to the CS disc) later on. I remember one of the mags saying that dual rear setup was super touch to use but a little safer than the CS only disc.
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3/24/2013 5:55am Edited Date/Time 3/24/2013 7:53am
Also that same 406 Rotax two stroke engine was used by Can-Am. [img]http://imgc.classistatic.com/cps/kjc/120205/300r1/860579_20.jpeg[/img]
Also that same 406 Rotax two stroke engine was used by Can-Am.

yes, that is correct.

ATK and Can-Am are directly related, as well as Rotax. Rotax is owned by BRP (Bombardier Recreational Products), the parent company of Can-Am. Horst Leitner was originally commissioned by Bombardier to build them they're new MX line of dirt bikes under the Can-Am moniker. In the middle of the project Can-Am went "belly up", as they say, and that left Can-Am dealers and distributors without product. The Can-Am dealer network pooled their resources and credit lines to help support Horst to complete the design of the bikes and put them into limited production. And that is how ATK was born. ~ A sort of motocross manufacturing co-op. Good stuff. Wink

ATK is an acronym for anit-kettenspannung (German for anti-chain tension). ...and obviously the bikes proudly featured Horst's own AMP Link (the anti-chain tension device he invented/designed).

Rotax (Austrian made and designed) is one of the greatest engine builders in the history of powersports. They are responsible for almost every 2 stroke innovation in the last 60 years, and along with Johnson/Evinrude (another BRP subsidiary), continue to build the most technologically advanced, efficient, 2-stroke motors on the planet. Rotax, and more specifically, Orbital (an Austrailian firm) injection technologies, are the future of 2 stroke motocross, if there is indeed a future for my beloved beasts. *prays*
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3/24/2013 10:40am
@bigfoot, i read in MXA that supposedly this suspension setup is REALLY good but Boyessen couldnt get the mfg's on board since re-tooling was too expensive..
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3/24/2013 11:06am
When I was a Kid, there was local dealership that started selling these, I thought they were the most God awful looking things and for awhile it seemed like they were all over the place



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3/24/2013 4:02pm
THE_NOOB wrote:
When I was a Kid, there was local dealership that started selling these, I thought they were the most God awful looking things and for awhile...
When I was a Kid, there was local dealership that started selling these, I thought they were the most God awful looking things and for awhile it seemed like they were all over the place



the last 3 bikes (this Rickman, and the 2 Huskies) are NOT oddballs. those are totally mainstream, proven machines.
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[img]https://www.srcf.fr/cagiva/cagiva125wmx1985.jpg[/img]
Oddly enough. Cagiva/MV Augusta might be back in the dirt bike business soon. Rumor has it that KTM is selling them the Husqvarna factory in Italy and keeping the name. I would try to explain it all but I would need color charts and a couple of days and frankly I'm not sure I understand it all myself.
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[img]https://www.srcf.fr/cagiva/cagiva125wmx1985.jpg[/img]
dcg141 wrote:
Oddly enough. Cagiva/MV Augusta might be back in the dirt bike business soon. Rumor has it that KTM is selling them the Husqvarna factory in Italy...
Oddly enough. Cagiva/MV Augusta might be back in the dirt bike business soon. Rumor has it that KTM is selling them the Husqvarna factory in Italy and keeping the name. I would try to explain it all but I would need color charts and a couple of days and frankly I'm not sure I understand it all myself.
that doesn't mean much. they could make anything there. by the way- KTM bought that factory not too long ago from Cagiva. As far as I know there was never an actual motorcycle assembled there, by KTM or Cagiva. It's mainly a foundry.
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3/24/2013 7:32pm
Like I said, the first purpose built four strokes always interested me. Like this Vertemati.



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3/24/2013 8:18pm Edited Date/Time 3/24/2013 8:20pm
THE_NOOB wrote:
When I was a Kid, there was local dealership that started selling these, I thought they were the most God awful looking things and for awhile...
When I was a Kid, there was local dealership that started selling these, I thought they were the most God awful looking things and for awhile it seemed like they were all over the place



Katoomey wrote:
the last 3 bikes (this Rickman, and the 2 Huskies) are NOT oddballs. those are totally mainstream, proven machines.
Katoomey wrote: the last 3 bikes (this Rickman, and the 2 Huskies) are NOT oddballs. those are totally mainstream, proven machines.


Mainstream? Really?Huh

Husqvarna's total run of off-road 500 twins was one bike. Why wasn't the engine ever put into production? According to Gunnar Lindstrom, "The four-speed gearbox was marginal, even on the 400cc single."

When Swedish MX star Lars Larsson lined up on this bike for the 1971 Indian Dunes motocross race in Southern California, his competition thought he was on a regular Husqvarna.

But Larsson knew better. He was aboard one of the rarest machines in the history of American motocross: a 400cc Husqvarna with a frame made of titanium. And he used it to win both motos and dominate the Inter-AMA series support class that year.

“Of course, my fellow racers came around wondering what kind of Husky I had,” recalls Larsson, who was instrumental in establishing Husqvarna in the U.S. and later went on to start Torsten Hallman Original Racewear, now known as Thor.

He told them: Hallman Racing had commissioned Pro-Fab to make a small run of light, strong and expensive titanium frames to accept Husky engines. Other weight-saving tweaks included titanium fork crowns, handlebars and axles. The fenders and seat base were thin plastic, the gas tank was aluminum, and various parts—including the brake pedal and ignition cover—were drilled to lighten them further.

The result weighed in at an amazing 189 pounds, or 25 pounds lighter than a comparable production Husqvarna.

The machine helped Larsson win four of six rounds of the Inter-AMA motocross series.
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3/24/2013 8:26pm
Wandell wrote:
Like I said, the first purpose built four strokes always interested me. Like this Vertemati. [IMG]http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd82/WandellAsbell/SXcomPics3JT/SXcomPics4Inovation/1994VertematiSmets.jpg[/IMG]
Like I said, the first purpose built four strokes always interested me. Like this Vertemati.



X2!!

I was looking for this one... and the CCM as well
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3/24/2013 9:20pm Edited Date/Time 3/24/2013 9:29pm
Kelvin Franks' Honda.
Kelvin only built two. The first one used the motor from a '79 XL500 Honda dual-sport 'cause it came out before the XR and Kelvin couldn't wait.








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THE_NOOB wrote:
When I was a Kid, there was local dealership that started selling these, I thought they were the most God awful looking things and for awhile...
When I was a Kid, there was local dealership that started selling these, I thought they were the most God awful looking things and for awhile it seemed like they were all over the place



Katoomey wrote:
the last 3 bikes (this Rickman, and the 2 Huskies) are NOT oddballs. those are totally mainstream, proven machines.
HuskyEd wrote:
Katoomey wrote: [i]the last 3 bikes (this Rickman, and the 2 Huskies) are NOT oddballs. those are totally mainstream, proven machines.[/i] Mainstream? Really?:huh: [i]Husqvarna's total run...
Katoomey wrote: the last 3 bikes (this Rickman, and the 2 Huskies) are NOT oddballs. those are totally mainstream, proven machines.


Mainstream? Really?Huh

Husqvarna's total run of off-road 500 twins was one bike. Why wasn't the engine ever put into production? According to Gunnar Lindstrom, "The four-speed gearbox was marginal, even on the 400cc single."

When Swedish MX star Lars Larsson lined up on this bike for the 1971 Indian Dunes motocross race in Southern California, his competition thought he was on a regular Husqvarna.

But Larsson knew better. He was aboard one of the rarest machines in the history of American motocross: a 400cc Husqvarna with a frame made of titanium. And he used it to win both motos and dominate the Inter-AMA series support class that year.

“Of course, my fellow racers came around wondering what kind of Husky I had,” recalls Larsson, who was instrumental in establishing Husqvarna in the U.S. and later went on to start Torsten Hallman Original Racewear, now known as Thor.

He told them: Hallman Racing had commissioned Pro-Fab to make a small run of light, strong and expensive titanium frames to accept Husky engines. Other weight-saving tweaks included titanium fork crowns, handlebars and axles. The fenders and seat base were thin plastic, the gas tank was aluminum, and various parts—including the brake pedal and ignition cover—were drilled to lighten them further.

The result weighed in at an amazing 189 pounds, or 25 pounds lighter than a comparable production Husqvarna.

The machine helped Larsson win four of six rounds of the Inter-AMA motocross series.
i just meant their designs were mainstream. not the models themselves. there's nothing odd about them at all. ...and titanium is hardly odd for frame construction and neither is an inline twin. even in 1969.
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Katoomey wrote:
that doesn't mean much. they could make anything there. by the way- KTM bought that factory not too long ago from Cagiva. As far as I...
that doesn't mean much. they could make anything there. by the way- KTM bought that factory not too long ago from Cagiva. As far as I know there was never an actual motorcycle assembled there, by KTM or Cagiva. It's mainly a foundry.
Huh?

Cagiva sold that factory to BMW in 2007, BMW sold it to KTM in January this year. They've been assembling actual motorcycles there for a long time. What factory are you talking about?
3/25/2013 5:17am
I saw a guy race a Benelli 125 at a AHRMA National yesterday. The thing sounded satanic. I've never heard a 125 rev up like that thing.
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'89 CZ 125 [img]http://66.84.0.143/~ahrmanwc/cz4_26.jpg[/img]
'89 CZ 125
I forgot about those...very cool!
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3/25/2013 6:15am
Does anyone have any pictures of the Suzuki Australia DR-Z 440's that Daryl Hurley and Paul Broomfield rode?

I always thought they were sick and i cant find anything online

Also any of the old thumper nats bikes. KLX 250's, TTR 250's etc

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