Herlings Injury Update, will miss the MXGP title this year.

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DPR250R 3/11/2019 7:00pm
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Brent wrote:
what if Herlings comes back and wins out? What if Tony isn't leading the championship when Jeffery is ready to race?

Stewart 2003... still came up short. He was riding around up front... fun to watch but inconsequential.
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I think Tomac would have him covered. I know about their last two races, but I don't see Tomac letting anyone come here and smoke him. That being said, it'd be a fight- if red bull is smart they put 84 in the ama this year to show monster up. Don't know if he can, but it's their best shot at the outdoor title.
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gabrielito 3/11/2019 7:22pm
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at this point he has to come over or he will appear he isn’t up for the challenge.
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1) You're not going to "make America great again" by keeping great people out.

2) There are no asterisks in MX. "You have to be in it to win it."- CR22

3) Who cares if Herlings kicks Tomac's and his AMA buddies asses or not? If he comes over here, lets just be happy that the stars aligned to where he feels that's his best option...and enjoy the competition!!!
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zehn wrote:
The average American attending a US National probably couldn’t name more than 3-5 riders. No way attendance spikes because Herlings comes over
I laugh every time I read this stuff, damn near everyone at a national knows what's up and you would know this if you actually went.
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Trav138 3/11/2019 8:02pm
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gabrielito wrote:
at this point he has to come over or he will appear he isn’t up for the challenge.
Ok then, lets just pretend he doesnt have a current contract! Edit*** i just saw the other thread with the Herlings interview so it is a real possibility, wow that would be incredible for the Nationals.

I think his smackdown at Ironman proved he s up for any challenge over here. To be honest, i think if he came over for the whole season it could get real ugly for everyone else.
Talking about not being up to the challenge, this could very well be a problem, except not for Herlings but everyone else.

He did incredible in the soft loamy ruts that just about every US national has turned into. in fact he raved about how incredible the conditions were!

I would love to see it, but not likely to happen imo
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With a full tilt Tomac, a fully fit Roczen, a fit Osborn, a Webb with his mojo back, a Blake Baggett with two working thumbs, and an extra frustrated Marvin in the mix, Herlings will have his hands full. It wont be easy for him. But then again....after seeing Herlings crash in the first turn at mxon qualifier, get up, pull in for new goggles, and then blitz all the way up to 3rd place, It's kinda scary to think about what he might do. Whether the ama guys put up a good fight or not, I want to see it.
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Cortami79 3/12/2019 1:06am
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Ranman68 wrote:
With a full tilt Tomac, a fully fit Roczen, a fit Osborn, a Webb with his mojo back, a Blake Baggett with two working thumbs, and...
With a full tilt Tomac, a fully fit Roczen, a fit Osborn, a Webb with his mojo back, a Blake Baggett with two working thumbs, and an extra frustrated Marvin in the mix, Herlings will have his hands full. It wont be easy for him. But then again....after seeing Herlings crash in the first turn at mxon qualifier, get up, pull in for new goggles, and then blitz all the way up to 3rd place, It's kinda scary to think about what he might do. Whether the ama guys put up a good fight or not, I want to see it.
Certain tracks he will absolutely dominate, other tracks he will have his struggles. But some way he always seems to make it. Like last year when they went to Bulgaria and Arco di Trento. Two tracks that absolutely suit TC222 and I was sure to see him give a good fight, but Herlings somehow dominated. Bulgaria was unreal btw. You have to watch this GoPro to see his corner speed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uL_KWN6Ht1U&t=71s

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Cortami79 wrote:
Certain tracks he will absolutely dominate, other tracks he will have his struggles. But some way he always seems to make it. Like last year when...
Certain tracks he will absolutely dominate, other tracks he will have his struggles. But some way he always seems to make it. Like last year when they went to Bulgaria and Arco di Trento. Two tracks that absolutely suit TC222 and I was sure to see him give a good fight, but Herlings somehow dominated. Bulgaria was unreal btw. You have to watch this GoPro to see his corner speed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uL_KWN6Ht1U&t=71s

Their speed is insane. The track reminds me a bit of Hangtown or High Point with the hardpack.
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RichardLoots 3/12/2019 1:54am
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Mx nationals is about to hit world champ status!!! I’d like to thank Richard Loots for starting the idea on here and giving Jeffy the thought...
Mx nationals is about to hit world champ status!!!

I’d like to thank Richard Loots for starting the idea on here and giving Jeffy the thought. Props Fella
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jorgechavez 3/12/2019 2:08am
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Really hope he ends up racing the US nationals as that will make things extremely interesting. I think if he races he will definitely win the title, not that I have to tell anyone here but that guy is on another level.

Kind of feel bad though, while we all dream of the potential amazing outdoor season we could have this is probably a nightmare scenario for Jeffrey, his family and team. Hope he heals up quick but also does what's right for him.
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Press516 wrote:
The stars are aligning... And it still isn't going to happen. ;) Although, I do think attendance would be up massively and TV money would maybe...
The stars are aligning... And it still isn't going to happen. Wink Although, I do think attendance would be up massively and TV money would maybe double with Herlings running the US outdoors series. One can only hope. Wife said I'm in for 2 events if he does come over.
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Ha-Ha-ha, a couple of years ago, I was in Germany, France, Austria & Switzerland and did my own "Non scientific poll" I asked several people, several...
Ha-Ha-ha, a couple of years ago, I was in Germany, France, Austria & Switzerland and did my own "Non scientific poll" I asked several people, several different age groups, do you know who Ken Roczen is, No one, no one, knew who he was. When I was in Germany, I even tried to give them hints, I told them he was a World and AMA Champion motorcycle racer, then they said "Oh MotoGP". So if you think it will increase viewership, attendance or TV money, as GuyB suggested, you are high as a kite.
I’ve asked a handful of people from Belle Plain Minnesota if they’ve heard of Ryan Dungey. Not a single one of them had. Only one of the most decorated athletes in any sport to come out of Minnesota...and the people in his hometown of a few thousand have no idea?

Moto is much, much smaller than some people think.
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just James 3/12/2019 5:33am
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observeroffacts wrote:
I’ve asked a handful of people from Belle Plain Minnesota if they’ve heard of Ryan Dungey. Not a single one of them had. Only one of...
I’ve asked a handful of people from Belle Plain Minnesota if they’ve heard of Ryan Dungey. Not a single one of them had. Only one of the most decorated athletes in any sport to come out of Minnesota...and the people in his hometown of a few thousand have no idea?

Moto is much, much smaller than some people think.
It's all relative. I sat next to Simone Biles(sp?) on a flight from New York to Houston as she was returning from winning a bunch of gold medals at the Olympics. Even after the pilot announced that she was on the plane, just before landing, I had no clue who she was. No disrespect to her, but I have zero interest in the Olympics in general, or gymnastics in particular.
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observeroffacts wrote:
I’ve asked a handful of people from Belle Plain Minnesota if they’ve heard of Ryan Dungey. Not a single one of them had. Only one of...
I’ve asked a handful of people from Belle Plain Minnesota if they’ve heard of Ryan Dungey. Not a single one of them had. Only one of the most decorated athletes in any sport to come out of Minnesota...and the people in his hometown of a few thousand have no idea?

Moto is much, much smaller than some people think.
just James wrote:
It's all relative. I sat next to Simone Biles(sp?) on a flight from New York to Houston as she was returning from winning a bunch of...
It's all relative. I sat next to Simone Biles(sp?) on a flight from New York to Houston as she was returning from winning a bunch of gold medals at the Olympics. Even after the pilot announced that she was on the plane, just before landing, I had no clue who she was. No disrespect to her, but I have zero interest in the Olympics in general, or gymnastics in particular.
At MXoN, I sat next to a group of guys from Spain in the Thor Grandstand and we talked moto all day... They knew all the US top 15 riders in both classes as well as most of the American fans would. Maybe they already watch the US Nationals... If they don't, they certainly would.
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zehn wrote:
The average American attending a US National probably couldn’t name more than 3-5 riders. No way attendance spikes because Herlings comes over
JM485 wrote:
I laugh every time I read this stuff, damn near everyone at a national knows what's up and you would know this if you actually went.
zehn may have SX confused with MX. Most MX fans that attend races are fairly knowledgably about the sport.
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mx317 wrote:
zehn may have SX confused with MX. Most MX fans that attend races are fairly knowledgably about the sport.
I would think that has to do with the effort it takes to attend a national vs. supercross.

More likely to get a high volume of random locals at a SX.
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tek14 wrote:
What if Cairoli gets hurt... from how much back Herlings can fight with Gajser?
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Stop it! Desalle has a better chance of winning the title than Herlings this year! Hopefully there's no complications during the remainder of his recovery, we...
Stop it! Desalle has a better chance of winning the title than Herlings this year! Hopefully there's no complications during the remainder of his recovery, we see him back at his best this year, especially for the MXoN!
If the current report is correct then herlings will miss 4 GP's. He is down 33 points on Desalle and would be at most 183 points down after the 4th GP. And we all know Desalle will not go 1-1-1-1-1-1 in the next 6 motos so Herlings will likely be down max 150 points on Desalle at that point.

Herlings had a 250 points advantage over Desalle in 2018, and that was including missing 1 gp (Desalle rode all GP's). So in short, i don't think Desalle will have a better chance at the title.

Herlings will just wait and see before he makes a decision, and it will be based on 2 items:
1. Is he fit?
2. How many points is he behind TC222 (and maybe Gajser since he rode injured last year)

Depending on how that looks at the end of april Herlings will make a decision.

All imo off course.
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Ranman68 3/12/2019 8:06am
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With a full tilt Tomac, a fully fit Roczen, a fit Osborn, a Webb with his mojo back, a Blake Baggett with two working thumbs, and...
With a full tilt Tomac, a fully fit Roczen, a fit Osborn, a Webb with his mojo back, a Blake Baggett with two working thumbs, and an extra frustrated Marvin in the mix, Herlings will have his hands full. It wont be easy for him. But then again....after seeing Herlings crash in the first turn at mxon qualifier, get up, pull in for new goggles, and then blitz all the way up to 3rd place, It's kinda scary to think about what he might do. Whether the ama guys put up a good fight or not, I want to see it.
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Certain tracks he will absolutely dominate, other tracks he will have his struggles. But some way he always seems to make it. Like last year when...
Certain tracks he will absolutely dominate, other tracks he will have his struggles. But some way he always seems to make it. Like last year when they went to Bulgaria and Arco di Trento. Two tracks that absolutely suit TC222 and I was sure to see him give a good fight, but Herlings somehow dominated. Bulgaria was unreal btw. You have to watch this GoPro to see his corner speed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uL_KWN6Ht1U&t=71s

Yeah that's true. He did always get it done, but there were certain tracks and surfaces where he had to fight a little harder to get the win. We all have seen how Tomac can be 3 seconds per lap faster than the other ama riders on certain tracks when he needed to be as well. A healthy Baggett can be insanely fast on certain tracks as well, and if Roczen is anywhere near what he was in 2016, he will be a handful. Something tells me Webb is going to be a holeshot artist and a fierce competitor outdoors this year as well.
I agree though that Herlings has proven to be lethal and able to pull off wins no matter where it's at, and he will probably get it done a lot. I just believe there will be times and tracks where Tomac will be on fire and/or Herlings gets a bad start or struggles to adapt, and doesn't get the win. Overall though, I can see him winning several events and still getting on the podium even when he doesnt win...and taking the title. It's that "On" Tomac we see from time to time that will be the challenge for Herlings, but only from time to time I believe.
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DeStouwer 3/12/2019 8:19am
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I hope (for our own sake) he stays in Europe. The butthurt-level overhere will be insane.
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Cortami79 wrote:
Certain tracks he will absolutely dominate, other tracks he will have his struggles. But some way he always seems to make it. Like last year when...
Certain tracks he will absolutely dominate, other tracks he will have his struggles. But some way he always seems to make it. Like last year when they went to Bulgaria and Arco di Trento. Two tracks that absolutely suit TC222 and I was sure to see him give a good fight, but Herlings somehow dominated. Bulgaria was unreal btw. You have to watch this GoPro to see his corner speed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uL_KWN6Ht1U&t=71s

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Their speed is insane. The track reminds me a bit of Hangtown or High Point with the hardpack.
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FillmoreSouth 3/12/2019 9:46am
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Keep in mind that, even if this were to happen, we might not see the "real" Herlings until maybe July. By then they'd be at Red Bud.

In 2017, Herlings' preseason hand injury looked much less serious (I'm no doctor, but I'm just sayin'), but he wasn't competitive until Round 6 at Valkenswaard -- two full months after the season opener. After that he was top dog, but it took a while.
Muscle-Milk-KTM 3/12/2019 11:17am
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I reckon KTM & Red Bull will want he to stay GP, say for instance Cairoli has slight margin in the championship, picks up an injury, he’s gonna need Herlings to take points off of the competition. You’ve gotta remember, KTM’s main focus is to win the World Championship.
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If JH84 showed up on new tracks post injury and won a clear championship, I'd have to call him the best outdoor rider in the world in the 2019 season, bar none, worldwide.
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willie838 3/14/2019 12:39am
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at the least i look at the current herlings situation like this.

the odds are significantly better than the lottery.

If i buy a mega millions ticket, with the odds so damned stacked that is literally like walking from coast to coast across america with pennies all face down......stopping on a spot in vultures patoot, nebraska and, while blindfolded, randomly picking up the SINGLE penny that is face up in that entire 3000 mile long line of pennies.....

and i still get at least 7-10 minutes of day dreaming out of that lotto ticket, imagining the retarded stuff you'd do with essentially infinite fun fuel.

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so i'm personally just enjoying imagining just what a full season with jh84 over here would be like, all the possibilities and ways it could go. How humbling it may, or restoring to american pride if one of our regulars can take the entire series from him.......who knows?

but that's why day dreaming is fun.
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