Another Ken Roczen Update: Latest Elbow Surgery

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bvm111 1/22/2017 12:43am
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compound means more than one guys, as in either both forearm bones or both forearm bones in more than one location. He landed on his forearm...
compound means more than one guys, as in either both forearm bones or both forearm bones in more than one location. He landed on his forearm and shoulder from 15 feet up and probably 25-30 mph, the bones will be the easy part. There is no telling how much soft tissue damage was done, i think he will be lucky to line up for the nationals.
gjbruny wrote:
com·pound frac·ture noun an injury in which a broken bone pierces the skin, causing a risk of infection. in this case, both bones are very likely...
com·pound frac·ture
noun
an injury in which a broken bone pierces the skin, causing a risk of infection.

in this case, both bones are very likely fractured but just saying... a compound fracture is where a bone breaks the skin... it is also known as an "open fracture." it can be multiple bones or one bone.


it doesnt only mean its protruding from the skin, it can also be a closed compound or multiple fracture... or was my orthopod wrong in his diagnosis of my left elbow when it was in 15 pieces???
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Didn't want to make my last post too long, but I wanted to add a few things.

First. There are some serious knuckleheads on this forum, but whether you're joking or not, some of these negative comments regarding Roczen has no place here. Most of us here ride motocross at some level. Ken could have been killed. Any of us could doing this.

I hate to even speculate, because I don't know, but I have to wonder if these types of accidents isn't what is causing Eli difficulty. He's has had some nasty get offs. In particular his last in Colorado. These guys are seriously pushing the limits.
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gnarwhip 1/22/2017 12:55am
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Who knows. Every break is obviously different. I'm just trying to look at the positives. Wasn't in the joint (elbow) and wasn't in the wrist (Ricky Johnson). It was the radius/ulna. Hoping for the best for Ken.
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The linkage ratio is within a 1% difference of the previous models (I've seen the linkage ratio measured for myself), by comparison, the KTMs are way...
The linkage ratio is within a 1% difference of the previous models (I've seen the linkage ratio measured for myself), by comparison, the KTMs are way off any of the Japanese models curve....

As for the shock... Yes, the total length of the unit shorter. This is due to a much shorter clevis and using up some of the dead space inside the shock. All said and done, the total stroke length is only about 2-3mms difference. Yamaha has had shorter stroke lengths than this recently. Hell, some tuners place 10mm plates in their shocks to lower them and remove more stroke length than Honda did with this all new shock.
Would be interesting to see linkage curves in tech story. Could you make more detailed post about how KTM curve is different? Some are running PC full linkage to get it between old gen and new models like myself.

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Sometimes this sport really suck.
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Radical 1/22/2017 1:13am
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Heal up well Ken!
Take your time and make sure you're alright.
Championships are great but your health is way more important.
You'll be in my prayers.
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Motoxdoc 1/22/2017 1:23am
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bvm111 wrote:
compound means more than one guys, as in either both forearm bones or both forearm bones in more than one location. He landed on his forearm...
compound means more than one guys, as in either both forearm bones or both forearm bones in more than one location. He landed on his forearm and shoulder from 15 feet up and probably 25-30 mph, the bones will be the easy part. There is no telling how much soft tissue damage was done, i think he will be lucky to line up for the nationals.
gjbruny wrote:
com·pound frac·ture noun an injury in which a broken bone pierces the skin, causing a risk of infection. in this case, both bones are very likely...
com·pound frac·ture
noun
an injury in which a broken bone pierces the skin, causing a risk of infection.

in this case, both bones are very likely fractured but just saying... a compound fracture is where a bone breaks the skin... it is also known as an "open fracture." it can be multiple bones or one bone.
bvm111 wrote:
it doesnt only mean its protruding from the skin, it can also be a closed compound or multiple fracture... or was my orthopod wrong in his...


it doesnt only mean its protruding from the skin, it can also be a closed compound or multiple fracture... or was my orthopod wrong in his diagnosis of my left elbow when it was in 15 pieces???
Yes "compound" DOES only mean it's protuding from the skin. No, there's no such thing as a closed compound fracture. If this is what your orthpod said then yes he was wrong.....but more likely you didn't hear him correctly since that IS his profession. More likely you mistook comminuted for compound.

Looked like a radius ulna...and if there was blood, a compound.....and if either bone was in more then one piece (highly likely with the force involved), a comminuted fracture. Bones heel stronger and better (relatively speaking, but not always). The most important thing is preserving the soft tissues of the adjacent joints, i.e. the wrist and elbow. Hopefully he's on the bike in 8-10 weeks! Good luck Ken and heal fast. You make the sport more exciting!!!!
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Is his R8 auto or manual? Barcia wants to know
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Is his R8 auto or manual? Barcia wants to know
You are so funny Sick
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Jrewing wrote:
Is his R8 auto or manual? Barcia wants to know
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You are so funny Sick
Pretty good tho innit.
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sende 1/22/2017 4:37am
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I hope he gets back at Hangtown at the latest. Huge bummer.
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I hate to see ANYONE get hurt...period.
This x100. It's an unfortunate possibility with this sport.


I am super bummed. As I mentioned in another thread, the only reason I came back to watch supercross after an almost 10 year hiatus was the joining of Roczen and HRC. This really sucks.
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joeellis wrote:
Didn't want to make my last post too long, but I wanted to add a few things. First. There are some serious knuckleheads on this forum...
Didn't want to make my last post too long, but I wanted to add a few things.

First. There are some serious knuckleheads on this forum, but whether you're joking or not, some of these negative comments regarding Roczen has no place here. Most of us here ride motocross at some level. Ken could have been killed. Any of us could doing this.

I hate to even speculate, because I don't know, but I have to wonder if these types of accidents isn't what is causing Eli difficulty. He's has had some nasty get offs. In particular his last in Colorado. These guys are seriously pushing the limits.
Amen
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Daniel816 1/22/2017 5:24am
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First off that sucked, put a real low tone to the rest of the race, hopefully Kenny makes a full and speedy recovery.

Secondly, we've seen the red flag come out plenty of times, even Emig mentioned the mule couldn't get to him safely, so why didn't they just red flag the race? Sorry if this has been asked already I scanned all 5 pages of this thread and didn't see anything.
Moparmotel 1/22/2017 5:26am
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Isn't this the same arm Ken broke in 2011 and had surgery on? If so wonder how that will play into recovery time.
scooterwhipmoore 1/22/2017 6:02am
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Daniel816 wrote:
First off that sucked, put a real low tone to the rest of the race, hopefully Kenny makes a full and speedy recovery. Secondly, we've seen...
First off that sucked, put a real low tone to the rest of the race, hopefully Kenny makes a full and speedy recovery.

Secondly, we've seen the red flag come out plenty of times, even Emig mentioned the mule couldn't get to him safely, so why didn't they just red flag the race? Sorry if this has been asked already I scanned all 5 pages of this thread and didn't see anything.
If you watch the video the medical crew was on him within a few seconds, he was most likely coherant and responding well to their protocol, I doubt the medical crew gives 2 cents about the race if they even think for a second that the rider is in need of transportation/extraction. it takes time to diagnose an injuring/situation unless the situation is obviously gruesome.
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psychotronBR 1/22/2017 6:08am
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A compound fracture means the bone tore through the skin. I should know because i suffered one, on the same arm. The ordeal resulted in two plates, twelve screws and the end of my career as a racer. The pain is unreal.

I'm absolutely gutted for the guy.
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MR. X 1/22/2017 6:09am
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That crash took so long from the time it went bad til the time it ended .Poor guy must have known mid flight that his season was over . Hope his recovery goes quick and smooth.

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Daniel816 1/22/2017 6:18am
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Daniel816 wrote:
First off that sucked, put a real low tone to the rest of the race, hopefully Kenny makes a full and speedy recovery. Secondly, we've seen...
First off that sucked, put a real low tone to the rest of the race, hopefully Kenny makes a full and speedy recovery.

Secondly, we've seen the red flag come out plenty of times, even Emig mentioned the mule couldn't get to him safely, so why didn't they just red flag the race? Sorry if this has been asked already I scanned all 5 pages of this thread and didn't see anything.
scooterwhipmoore wrote:
If you watch the video the medical crew was on him within a few seconds, he was most likely coherant and responding well to their protocol...
If you watch the video the medical crew was on him within a few seconds, he was most likely coherant and responding well to their protocol, I doubt the medical crew gives 2 cents about the race if they even think for a second that the rider is in need of transportation/extraction. it takes time to diagnose an injuring/situation unless the situation is obviously gruesome.
Oh I get that for sure and in now way am I questioning the Alpinestar Medic crew. Those guys were there on him instantly, just kinda figured if it was a compound break like Honda says they would have grabbed him and got him out. Thanks for the reply!
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This is now twice in 4 races where a similar type get off has occurred. I don't remember KROC having a single similar style get-off in...
This is now twice in 4 races where a similar type get off has occurred. I don't remember KROC having a single similar style get-off in his 2 years on the zook or during his time with KTM.

Hoping Kenny will be ok and will have a speedy recovery.
Really?
Temor a la Mancha 1/22/2017 6:31am
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I think a lot of people are overlooking the fact that that could've been so much worse. You could see him fight at the very last second to get his body rolled over before he impacted. Unbelievable. The sport is brutal and cruel.



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smoothies862 1/22/2017 6:40am
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I would be happy if it is just his arm. its nasty when your goggles come off from force. it did look odd the way the bike came up. too deep,too fast.rebound,whatever. it just didn't look like others in that same spot.
hoping he can line up at rd 1 mx.
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captmoto 1/22/2017 6:43am
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Anyone else find it weird that they didn't bring out a backboard to stabilize his neck? That was way too hard of a hit to just...
Anyone else find it weird that they didn't bring out a backboard to stabilize his neck? That was way too hard of a hit to just let him sit in the back of the medical mule.
There is a protocol for c-collar and backboard use used by ems with a loss of consciousness being the biggest factor. When I started out we used spinal precaution measures on everyone. If you feel like reading more about it.
https://www.facs.org/~/media/files/quality%20programs/trauma/vrc%20reso…
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swtwtwtw 1/22/2017 6:46am
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i hope that he does not have any serious damage to the median and radial nerves. I am going thru nerve damage and it is way tougher than the surrounding bone breaks. get well soon KR94
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mxdude105 1/22/2017 7:19am
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Really bummed for Ken, that crash was brutal. Literally made my stomach turn watching those replays. I hope that it truly is just a broken arm, and depending upon the severity, maybe he makes it back for Hangtown. I have trouble believing there isn't further damage though. His head hit awfully hard and it looks like his flank took an impact as well. Hoping for the best for him.

I also feel that the air has totally been let out of this championship. KRoc out, Anderson DQ, Canard out, Tomac riding like it's his rookie season, Webb and Reed mediocre...Musquin and Seely might sneak a win but they aren't gonna give Dungey a title run. Damn.

To you guys blaming the bike or setup for this crash, I disagree. Looked to me like he was pushing incredibly hard and a slight lapse in focus plus a dash of bad luck and BOOM. Kind of like Chad back at Millville '11 or Dallas? in 2012.
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mx317 1/22/2017 7:23am
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The first thing I thought of was Chad Reed and the launch he took on the Honda at Millville.
Ken is lucky his leg wasn't broken also the way he landed.
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swtwtwtw wrote:
i hope that he does not have any serious damage to the median and radial nerves. I am going thru nerve damage and it is way...
i hope that he does not have any serious damage to the median and radial nerves. I am going thru nerve damage and it is way tougher than the surrounding bone breaks. get well soon KR94
I just healed up from breaking 3 pieces off my humerus ball and dislocating my shoulder out the back. The nerve damage scared me for about 6 weeks. I could not feel or bend my index, middle or ring finger. The outside of my arm was numb. It did all come back through therapy though.

Bummed for Ken, heal up buddy. To the grown men saying negative things, grow up.
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Too soon, bro. Too soon.

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