This has to be the best scrub ever

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Racer111 wrote:
James was better because he had both feet still glued to the pegs. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/03/19/182473/s1200_IMG_3939.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/03/19/182474/s1200_IMG_3941.jpg[/img] And this bad ass pic huck'ing the Leap on a 125...
James was better because he had both feet still glued to the pegs.






And this bad ass pic huck'ing the Leap on a 125!!





Yah, I kinda agree. I mean JS came off the couch, and handled Dungey and Roczen at RBSR with authority.
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greenmx5 wrote:
The difference between James scrub at budds on the 125 was there were sandy braking bumps all the way up the face of Henry hill. Whereas...
The difference between James scrub at budds on the 125 was there were sandy braking bumps all the way up the face of Henry hill. Whereas gajser had a flat non rutted face to deal with. Both are impressive by all means.
OK....first off , Henry hill is not the portion of the track leading up to Larocco's leap. I'm not sure if you meant to say that , or if it just came out that way. And how do you know the section leading up towards Tim's take off was super smooth with no ruts? More rounded as well , as you just said.

You just down played one of the most badass scrub pictures ever taken in this sport. Tim is also one of the most badass riders on planet earth right now....with the skill set that has surpassed James ( in the outdoors ) by quite a ways. James is , and always will be a badass , but this next gen set of riders now days , skill wise , have surpassed all the greats from 10 years ago. That includes James , RC , and MC.

The skill set keeps improving , and getting faster.

It's not a fair comparison to James or Tim to be honest. Completely different generation's of two different riders.
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Still, to me, the biggest difference is Stewart does it at Mach 10. Every other "badass" scrub we see is someone going over a jump at half speed. Even that Gaiser vid is the same way. Stew did/does that shit 5th gear pinned and gets that low. This vid isn't even his best one and it is still way higher speed than others.

https://youtu.be/KNfUJnATWNw
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I feel like everyone needs to go back to RJ's speed and trajectory drawings.

Bubba "Scrubbed" a peaked out hill.

Most of these other photos are over rounded mounds, including the shot above of James' on the Suzuki at his home track.

So if you're going to judge what's the sicker "scrub" by how close they are to the ground, well freeze frame Jame's at the peak of Henry Hill... you know, apples to apples.

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The first time I saw Bubba race in person was at Southwick 2004. I didn't know to much at about MX at the time, I knew who the fast guys were and I thought it was pretty badass, but I had no idea about technique. Bubba was on a different planet speedwise, and I had no idea why. Not knowing what a scrub was, it made no sense to me that he was able to walk the dog on the competition the way he did. If I didn't know better I would have thought every other guy in the 125's that day had a throttle stop at 3/4 throttle. Other guys do some pretty good scrubs, but hey all studied the technique of the godfather before they refined their technique.
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Rhody wrote:
The first time I saw Bubba race in person was at Southwick 2004. I didn't know to much at about MX at the time, I knew...
The first time I saw Bubba race in person was at Southwick 2004. I didn't know to much at about MX at the time, I knew who the fast guys were and I thought it was pretty badass, but I had no idea about technique. Bubba was on a different planet speedwise, and I had no idea why. Not knowing what a scrub was, it made no sense to me that he was able to walk the dog on the competition the way he did. If I didn't know better I would have thought every other guy in the 125's that day had a throttle stop at 3/4 throttle. Other guys do some pretty good scrubs, but hey all studied the technique of the godfather before they refined their technique.
Not letting off the entire way around the track probably helped more than scrubbing at the Wick... Not a lot of jumps!
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3/19/2017 10:19pm Edited Date/Time 3/19/2017 10:20pm
Well hell, maybe there is something to that throttle stop theory. I figure if it was that simple, nobody else would lift either.
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TannerMxer wrote:
Still, to me, the biggest difference is Stewart does it at Mach 10. Every other "badass" scrub we see is someone going over a jump at...
Still, to me, the biggest difference is Stewart does it at Mach 10. Every other "badass" scrub we see is someone going over a jump at half speed. Even that Gaiser vid is the same way. Stew did/does that shit 5th gear pinned and gets that low. This vid isn't even his best one and it is still way higher speed than others.

https://youtu.be/KNfUJnATWNw
And is still slower then what the guys are doing today.
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Guillod has gotta be in the conversation somewhere especially at this place






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jeffro503 wrote:
OK....first off , Henry hill is not the portion of the track leading up to Larocco's leap. I'm not sure if you meant to say that...
OK....first off , Henry hill is not the portion of the track leading up to Larocco's leap. I'm not sure if you meant to say that , or if it just came out that way. And how do you know the section leading up towards Tim's take off was super smooth with no ruts? More rounded as well , as you just said.

You just down played one of the most badass scrub pictures ever taken in this sport. Tim is also one of the most badass riders on planet earth right now....with the skill set that has surpassed James ( in the outdoors ) by quite a ways. James is , and always will be a badass , but this next gen set of riders now days , skill wise , have surpassed all the greats from 10 years ago. That includes James , RC , and MC.

The skill set keeps improving , and getting faster.

It's not a fair comparison to James or Tim to be honest. Completely different generation's of two different riders.
*grabs popcorn and chuckles* Grinning
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greenmx5 wrote:
The difference between James scrub at budds on the 125 was there were sandy braking bumps all the way up the face of Henry hill. Whereas...
The difference between James scrub at budds on the 125 was there were sandy braking bumps all the way up the face of Henry hill. Whereas gajser had a flat non rutted face to deal with. Both are impressive by all means.
jeffro503 wrote:
OK....first off , Henry hill is not the portion of the track leading up to Larocco's leap. I'm not sure if you meant to say that...
OK....first off , Henry hill is not the portion of the track leading up to Larocco's leap. I'm not sure if you meant to say that , or if it just came out that way. And how do you know the section leading up towards Tim's take off was super smooth with no ruts? More rounded as well , as you just said.

You just down played one of the most badass scrub pictures ever taken in this sport. Tim is also one of the most badass riders on planet earth right now....with the skill set that has surpassed James ( in the outdoors ) by quite a ways. James is , and always will be a badass , but this next gen set of riders now days , skill wise , have surpassed all the greats from 10 years ago. That includes James , RC , and MC.

The skill set keeps improving , and getting faster.

It's not a fair comparison to James or Tim to be honest. Completely different generation's of two different riders.
Dude... What??? Henry Hill and Larocco's leap aren't even on the same track?

Maybe we are talking about a different picture, but in the one I was looking at, you can see the face of the jump isn't rutted. I was simply saying the difference in the two and finished by saying both are very impressive.
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greenmx5 wrote:
The difference between James scrub at budds on the 125 was there were sandy braking bumps all the way up the face of Henry hill. Whereas...
The difference between James scrub at budds on the 125 was there were sandy braking bumps all the way up the face of Henry hill. Whereas gajser had a flat non rutted face to deal with. Both are impressive by all means.
jeffro503 wrote:
OK....first off , Henry hill is not the portion of the track leading up to Larocco's leap. I'm not sure if you meant to say that...
OK....first off , Henry hill is not the portion of the track leading up to Larocco's leap. I'm not sure if you meant to say that , or if it just came out that way. And how do you know the section leading up towards Tim's take off was super smooth with no ruts? More rounded as well , as you just said.

You just down played one of the most badass scrub pictures ever taken in this sport. Tim is also one of the most badass riders on planet earth right now....with the skill set that has surpassed James ( in the outdoors ) by quite a ways. James is , and always will be a badass , but this next gen set of riders now days , skill wise , have surpassed all the greats from 10 years ago. That includes James , RC , and MC.

The skill set keeps improving , and getting faster.

It's not a fair comparison to James or Tim to be honest. Completely different generation's of two different riders.
I don't think it was downplayed. I agree with him. James was better. You have any odea how much harder it is to scrub like that with your feet still ON the pegs?

As far as riders today having a better skillset.....To a degree, but not in the manner in which you are describing. RC IN SHAPE could still go out today in MX or GP's and get top 5. As a WHOLE, the riders have a better skillset, The fields are deeper and the 22 on the line in SX are all bad asses. That hasn't always been the case. This is more or less to do with fitness. Why? Because they are now training just as hard in the amateur ranks. So now EVERYONE who gets in the night show is legit.

Individually, just go watch Toronto 2014 and tell me ANYONE with their skillset that could have matched James skillset. I've seen no one who can match his skillset and I watch everything MX/GP/SX there is.
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3/20/2017 5:09am Edited Date/Time 3/20/2017 5:11am
kzizok wrote:
Video of a gnarly Gajser scrub: http://m.vitalmx.com/videos/member/Tim-Gajser-INSANE-Scrub,13654/ML512,13480 [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/03/19/182354/s1200_image.jpg[/img]
Is this the jump where he crashed and hurt himself (shoulder?) on the landing?

Same jump that Tomac crashed on at the MXDN?
yes, i saw it live
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The best high speed scrub ever is James Moto 1, thunder valley 2014. It's one thing to scrub a low speed jump it's a completely other animal to do it going fast.
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No mention of mookies. I think this was when they filmed that dream ride thing for JDR.



Or this one when James passed Alessi at muddy creek?


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jeffro503 wrote:
OK....first off , Henry hill is not the portion of the track leading up to Larocco's leap. I'm not sure if you meant to say that...
OK....first off , Henry hill is not the portion of the track leading up to Larocco's leap. I'm not sure if you meant to say that , or if it just came out that way. And how do you know the section leading up towards Tim's take off was super smooth with no ruts? More rounded as well , as you just said.

You just down played one of the most badass scrub pictures ever taken in this sport. Tim is also one of the most badass riders on planet earth right now....with the skill set that has surpassed James ( in the outdoors ) by quite a ways. James is , and always will be a badass , but this next gen set of riders now days , skill wise , have surpassed all the greats from 10 years ago. That includes James , RC , and MC.

The skill set keeps improving , and getting faster.

It's not a fair comparison to James or Tim to be honest. Completely different generation's of two different riders.
I lol'd.
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You guys seriously think his scrub from 13 years ago holds a candle to what these guys are doing today? What he pulled for the time...
You guys seriously think his scrub from 13 years ago holds a candle to what these guys are doing today? What he pulled for the time was ground breaking, but guys today have far surpassed that.
Hell no we dont think it holds a candle to it, we think it actually shits all over what these pansies do now on their nice stable FART-strokes..

Best scrub I ever seen? 1989 Pontiac Supercross SX amatuer day, one of the 125 B guys I raced with went WFO to the triple like he was gonna jump it
then he threw it sideways and scrubbed the first two.. I was thinking "what did I just see"
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greenmx5 wrote:
The difference between James scrub at budds on the 125 was there were sandy braking bumps all the way up the face of Henry hill. Whereas...
The difference between James scrub at budds on the 125 was there were sandy braking bumps all the way up the face of Henry hill. Whereas gajser had a flat non rutted face to deal with. Both are impressive by all means.
jeffro503 wrote:
OK....first off , Henry hill is not the portion of the track leading up to Larocco's leap. I'm not sure if you meant to say that...
OK....first off , Henry hill is not the portion of the track leading up to Larocco's leap. I'm not sure if you meant to say that , or if it just came out that way. And how do you know the section leading up towards Tim's take off was super smooth with no ruts? More rounded as well , as you just said.

You just down played one of the most badass scrub pictures ever taken in this sport. Tim is also one of the most badass riders on planet earth right now....with the skill set that has surpassed James ( in the outdoors ) by quite a ways. James is , and always will be a badass , but this next gen set of riders now days , skill wise , have surpassed all the greats from 10 years ago. That includes James , RC , and MC.

The skill set keeps improving , and getting faster.

It's not a fair comparison to James or Tim to be honest. Completely different generation's of two different riders.
greenmx5 wrote:
Dude... What??? Henry Hill and Larocco's leap aren't even on the same track? Maybe we are talking about a different picture, but in the one I...
Dude... What??? Henry Hill and Larocco's leap aren't even on the same track?

Maybe we are talking about a different picture, but in the one I was looking at, you can see the face of the jump isn't rutted. I was simply saying the difference in the two and finished by saying both are very impressive.
Yes!....I know that! That's why I said what I did.

You said " The difference between James scrub at budds on the 125 was there were sandy braking bumps all the way up the face of Henry hill. "

I mis read that last night. For some reason I thought you had Larocco's leap in there....you didn't. My bad. Was a long night.
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A huge thank you to James Stewart for creating this technique! Love seeing it done properly, and most gnarerly.
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Does anyone remember Roczen's scrub on the downhill on Agueda? Can't find the picture of it but here's a screenshot.



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Some people have been lower than James but what people seem to neglect is how much speed James would carry while scrubbing. Herling's can be comparable however, it's bitten him many times. Same with Canard in his hay day.
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Some people have been lower than James but what people seem to neglect is how much speed James would carry while scrubbing. Herling's can be comparable...
Some people have been lower than James but what people seem to neglect is how much speed James would carry while scrubbing. Herling's can be comparable however, it's bitten him many times. Same with Canard in his hay day.
That's what I have always argued. People scrub as low. And every time you see the picture, you're like "HOLY FUCKING SHIT BALLS," and then you see a video and they are coasting up the second half of the face. Stew would hit those jumps 4th/5th gear pinned all the way.

After all the years I've watched moto, there's still no one doing it at his peak level from back in the day.
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3/21/2017 2:03am Edited Date/Time 3/21/2017 2:04am
NVA57 wrote:
Does anyone remember Roczen's scrub on the downhill on Agueda? Can't find the picture of it but here's a screenshot. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/03/20/182550/s1200_Screen_Shot_2017_03_20_at_16.29.13.jpg[/img]
Does anyone remember Roczen's scrub on the downhill on Agueda? Can't find the picture of it but here's a screenshot.



Didn't Roczen throw a crazy scrub at the Fermo GP back in the days? I really miss Fermo, such an awesome track.
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Racer111 wrote:
James was better because he had both feet still glued to the pegs. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/03/19/182473/s1200_IMG_3939.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/03/19/182474/s1200_IMG_3941.jpg[/img] And this bad ass pic huck'ing the Leap on a 125...
James was better because he had both feet still glued to the pegs.






And this bad ass pic huck'ing the Leap on a 125!!





Skidaddle wrote:
Yah, I kinda agree. I mean JS came off the couch, and handled Dungey and Roczen at RBSR with authority.
Stewart's amazing he does wtf he wants

Also we'll never see a 125 go this fast again

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