Why we race X-games

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8/2/2009 4:02pm
sleetdawg wrote:
So X-Games is all over and after bringing a knife to a gun fight I'm pumped to leave the race safe and making the Main on...
So X-Games is all over and after bringing a knife to a gun fight I'm pumped to leave the race safe and making the Main on a 250f and even getting the holeshot in heat 1. I read about some of the posts about how you guys wonder why Grant and other top guys would even do X-games during the important outdoor season?

I'll tell you the reason why, TV TV TV... Our sport is on the edge of going bye bye and anything that a team can do to get exposure for our sponsors is what we have to do. It is such a shame to see riders get injured in these one-off races as I have done it myself. Live TV in front millions of fans is something our sport doesn't get too often so teams have to bite the bullet for their title sponsors and go to these events. For riders like me that can't do all the outdoors it's great because I will get more exposure from this one race then getting five top-10s in the outdoors.

Another great thing about the X-Games is how great all the athletes are treated. We have great purse money, the staff is really happy that you could be there to race, rider's input is #1, there is no entry fee because you are the show. Tell me this isn't how it should be in AMA SX? My sponsors are all pumped that I was out there but I made a point of being very cautious and making smart decisions due to the fact I have to go to work on Monday.

Josh Grant had a mechanical, Blake Wharton blew it and jumped on top of Antsie so all of these events could have been prevented, but that is racing and when you go racing things can happened out of a rider's control. Lets just be happy our sport is on the Main stage on live TV and pray that those two riders can recover 100% from their crashes.
Good write.Looked good.Charging the whole time.
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Yo SleetDawg, New Jersey loves ya bro. People talking smack, can get a couple punches in da face! Eff them fools!
well said. Sleets one post is more informative than a thousand others I've read here.
Keep us informed man. There are people on here who ride, and love to "not hate" everything about this sport!

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Hey Michael, why didn't they water the track enough to at least keep the dust down? Seems like if the riders input was #1 there would...
Hey Michael, why didn't they water the track enough to at least keep the dust down? Seems like if the riders input was #1 there would have been some better track prep going on.


BTW-Good explanation spelling errors and all.Smile

Go ride lake elsinore after they water it if you ever come over here to visit and you'll see why it would've been a bad plan

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8/2/2009 4:11pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 1:17am
Michael I'm curious, ABC/ESPN spends a crap load of money promoting the event, Spend weeks hyping the events, gives it live coverage, and then only charge what $10 bucks a ticket and they get 4000 people?


What do you think is the issue? Personally I don't think its the economy.
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Don't let the assholes get to you. Keep posting. Good guys (and gals) in here.
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It's a long day in the sun to sit there. I know Staples was sold out on Friday night.
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8/2/2009 4:30pm
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Michael I'm curious, ABC/ESPN spends a crap load of money promoting the event, Spend weeks hyping the events, gives it live coverage, and then only charge...
Michael I'm curious, ABC/ESPN spends a crap load of money promoting the event, Spend weeks hyping the events, gives it live coverage, and then only charge what $10 bucks a ticket and they get 4000 people?


What do you think is the issue? Personally I don't think its the economy.
Well they really don't promote just one event, so its hard to get everyone to watch just one event at a time. You could watch BMX Vert while Moto was going on. Then FMX and Skate vert was at the same time. You have to know that unlike AMA/MX sports events this is made for TV! I also think it's great that tickets are only 10 dollars it keeps the price down for the whole family. I have to say that when you see commercials on TV there is nothing going on at the track so sitting in the stands with that Sun on you isn't fun either. The biggest thing that So Cal has to compete with is the fact that they can see these riders 4 times a year and by the time the summer comes around people want to be at the river or the beach and not sitting in the HOT sun.
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Welcome to the board Michael. You'll learn to ignore the terminally stupid.
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Well they really don't promote just one event, so its hard to get everyone to watch just one event at a time. You could watch BMX...
Well they really don't promote just one event, so its hard to get everyone to watch just one event at a time. You could watch BMX Vert while Moto was going on. Then FMX and Skate vert was at the same time. You have to know that unlike AMA/MX sports events this is made for TV! I also think it's great that tickets are only 10 dollars it keeps the price down for the whole family. I have to say that when you see commercials on TV there is nothing going on at the track so sitting in the stands with that Sun on you isn't fun either. The biggest thing that So Cal has to compete with is the fact that they can see these riders 4 times a year and by the time the summer comes around people want to be at the river or the beach and not sitting in the HOT sun.
exactly.. as far as MX goes.. the racing is probably the last thing on people's priority list to go see in person..

anybody who is a fan of SX/MX has already been to at least one sx out of Anaheim 1, 2, 3/ SD/ San Fran/ and then Glen Helen..

seems like they still got a lot of people to show up anyways, and it was good racing!

why not do the moto stuff at night next year??
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8/2/2009 5:01pm
Dawg, more props to ya, but X-Games isn't MX, and MX will survive regardless of commercialization. In fact, it's been argued that big money is pussifying our sport...and I agree it might be. SX only riders are one example.

MX will always remain grass-roots, and will survive with or without the publicity.
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8/2/2009 5:11pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 1:17am
How is the sponsor exposure at X-Games vs. a normal MX event? Not stirring the pot just curious after watching the coverage.

1. The riders don't get interviewed so they get no opportunity to thank the sponsors on air.

2. The announcers made no mention of sponsors during the race call. I didn't hear any Windham was leading on the "Geico Powersports/Factory Connection Honda". Or Justin Brayton is coming through the pack on the "Muscle Milk/Jagermeister/MDK KTM". Mitch Paytons name got mentioned in referance to Hansen. I know Paul Page is not up on the MX details and RC and Henry are not really trained announcers who would mention it during race coverage.

3. You can not see any sponsor logos while the bikes are moving. The most sponsor exposure I saw was the Jagermiester logo on Braytons jersey when they gave him a few seconds of close up after he had his helmet off after the heat win. The same deal with the Monster logo on Hansens jersey after his heat win.

4. I know lot's of people see the race on TV but does it really translate into anything tangible?
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8/2/2009 5:40pm
Thanks for the input Sleeter. Nice to hear a riders perspective. PLEASE don't pay attention to the spelling Nazi's. Seriously a few mispelled words on a message board really mean absolutely nothing. This isn't a writing contest. Those guys are f-ing losers that "think" they are better than you becase they can proof posts. I would bet my life they are total a holes in person.
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I know you guys don't know me from the next guy but I would much rather be at a National then a SX "unless it's rebuilding the bike" so don't think I'm even going to say SX only deals are the way to go because its not. Thats a whole different topic and by the sound of this board I wont go there, so lets just leave at the fact that any Live/National coverage is good for our sport! They will replay the race for weeks on ESPN and the last I heard was everyone complained about the times races were on for outdoors and SX today the race was on 3-4 times
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sleetdawg wrote:
I know you guys don't know me from the next guy but I would much rather be at a National then a SX "unless it's rebuilding...
I know you guys don't know me from the next guy but I would much rather be at a National then a SX "unless it's rebuilding the bike" so don't think I'm even going to say SX only deals are the way to go because its not. Thats a whole different topic and by the sound of this board I wont go there, so lets just leave at the fact that any Live/National coverage is good for our sport! They will replay the race for weeks on ESPN and the last I heard was everyone complained about the times races were on for outdoors and SX today the race was on 3-4 times
Michael, welcome to the board. Thanks for your input. That was a cool MXA article a few months back. I think you hit a nerve by accident. Most of the defenders didn't pay any attention to what you were trying to say. If I follow you: the professional side of the sport as a whole is in trouble and/or struggling. And it doesn't stop with the professional side because the local shops aren't moving bikes so they may be going out of business as well.

So, MX, SX and all off roading is facing a tough time in tough economic times. People don't have money for hobbies and entertainment like they did a few years back.

But, riding overall has been through tough times before. It may shrink and we may lose a lot of ground. But, it's a core sport. It won't go away all together. There will always be people with passion for the sport regardless of the money factor. It will grow with good economics and shrink in bad times.

Sounds like you are having a good time with what you do. Enjoy it and good luck.
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8/2/2009 7:03pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 1:17am
DownSouth wrote:
How is the sponsor exposure at X-Games vs. a normal MX event? Not stirring the pot just curious after watching the coverage. 1. The riders don't...
How is the sponsor exposure at X-Games vs. a normal MX event? Not stirring the pot just curious after watching the coverage.

1. The riders don't get interviewed so they get no opportunity to thank the sponsors on air.

2. The announcers made no mention of sponsors during the race call. I didn't hear any Windham was leading on the "Geico Powersports/Factory Connection Honda". Or Justin Brayton is coming through the pack on the "Muscle Milk/Jagermeister/MDK KTM". Mitch Paytons name got mentioned in referance to Hansen. I know Paul Page is not up on the MX details and RC and Henry are not really trained announcers who would mention it during race coverage.

3. You can not see any sponsor logos while the bikes are moving. The most sponsor exposure I saw was the Jagermiester logo on Braytons jersey when they gave him a few seconds of close up after he had his helmet off after the heat win. The same deal with the Monster logo on Hansens jersey after his heat win.

4. I know lot's of people see the race on TV but does it really translate into anything tangible?
It would be nice for the sponsors to be mentioned but not necessary to benefit the sport. Just having dirt bike racing on tv for the exposure is good.

Are you saying you dont think getting it out infront of millions of people isnt good advertising for the sport...?

And great job Michael and good post. thanks for the info
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Sleeter you did awesome at the x games, and the coverage it got from tv was ok it could have been better for sure but oh well its still better then no coverage at all, hopefully it will get bigger each yr with more riders. Are you going to the KTM dealer show at the end of the month at red bud? Also to all the Josh Hanson hatters the kid rode awesome give him some credit it may have not been a AMA race but who cares there are millions of people around now who know who he is and he has some sick whips also. Thanks to all the guys who rode and women there was no other moto on this weekend so thanks for giving us something to pass our time untill Unadilla.
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Just want to throw a couple thoughts into this discussion-

I know, to us on this board that live breathe and eat MX/SX it is un-imaginalble that there are kids and adults still out there that are numb to our sport.

BMX/Skate that is mainstream America and in southern California a lot of those stars are way bigger and more famous then our beloved James Stewart or Chad Reed. I Know it is hard to believe but it is true. The reason people weren't in the stands? because they were out having the time of their lives in the "x-Zone" and watching Skate, or park or whatever it is (see I am numb to that sport as they are to ours)

Anyways, while walking through the X-zone where even my kid was smiling ear to ear while drinking muscle milk with his monster #1 finger and taco bell taco hat (more swag was given out than I could ever imagine) I overheard a family talking about going to see the "motorbike" race that was coming up. Your typical middle to higher class family with little Johnny and Jimmy that called it "motorbikes".

I guess what I am trying to say is, the "core" fans always go to SX,MX that is what I typicaly see at A1, A2 and every other race I go to. X games introduces A LOT of new mainstream American people to our sport and that makes sponsors happy.

Like it has been said in other posts, I guess you have to see it to believe it. TV doesn't show any of that.

Speaking of the athlete lounge, holy crap. Such a cool place to go and an awesome show of respect to the athletes in the games....


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8/3/2009 12:11pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 1:18am
oh and BTW- I am a CORE enthusiast and I am completely fine with new faces in the sport. I like seeing the all american family that knows nothing about SX/MX pumped on it.

I am tired of the bro / brah no shirt wearing tough guys and chicks that look like they came from cheetahs with the little kid flipping people off with the mohawk because his dad thinks its funny.

Believe it or not, I saw more the the "my dad is a dentist" type families (something you may not expect at the "X" games) at this event than the tough crowd we get at SX around here. Maybe it was the $40 parking.... LOL.
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8/3/2009 12:42pm Edited Date/Time 8/3/2009 12:43pm
Regis, who is going to win Best Trick next year? Smile
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Regis wrote:
oh and BTW- I am a CORE enthusiast and I am completely fine with new faces in the sport. I like seeing the all american family...
oh and BTW- I am a CORE enthusiast and I am completely fine with new faces in the sport. I like seeing the all american family that knows nothing about SX/MX pumped on it.

I am tired of the bro / brah no shirt wearing tough guys and chicks that look like they came from cheetahs with the little kid flipping people off with the mohawk because his dad thinks its funny.

Believe it or not, I saw more the the "my dad is a dentist" type families (something you may not expect at the "X" games) at this event than the tough crowd we get at SX around here. Maybe it was the $40 parking.... LOL.
I am tired of the bro / brah no shirt wearing tough guys and chicks that look like they came from cheetahs with the little kid flipping people off with the mohawk because his dad thinks its funny.

EXACTLY! I'm so sick of the knuckledragging-low lifes being cool.


Speaking of, did anybody hear about J-Law's "team manager" Laughing getting his ass BEAT down in the pits on Friday night? He might be a cool guy (I don't know him), but he sure was acting like a douchebag and got what he deserved.
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[b]I am tired of the bro / brah no shirt wearing tough guys and chicks that look like they came from cheetahs with the little kid...
I am tired of the bro / brah no shirt wearing tough guys and chicks that look like they came from cheetahs with the little kid flipping people off with the mohawk because his dad thinks its funny.

EXACTLY! I'm so sick of the knuckledragging-low lifes being cool.


Speaking of, did anybody hear about J-Law's "team manager" Laughing getting his ass BEAT down in the pits on Friday night? He might be a cool guy (I don't know him), but he sure was acting like a douchebag and got what he deserved.
It is funny because the knuckle draggers, sleeved up, bro'd out guys usually don't even ride.. mostly just have clapped out bikes that they take out to the desert three weekend a year..

and isnt J-Law his own team manager? haha
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8/3/2009 1:08pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 1:18am
alphado wrote:
Regis, who is going to win Best Trick next year? Smile
ouch-

Bad deal, the system failed. damn. Back to the drawing board.

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sleetdawg wrote:
As a rider this is why we don't post on message boards. You have people talking about stuff they have no idea about and when you...
As a rider this is why we don't post on message boards. You have people talking about stuff they have no idea about and when you chime in people just fund useless things to say about good topics. I never claimed to be an English major or Author of major books but I have been around this industry for quite some time. I'm pretty sure I will just take this first post as I should have known better.
I don't see why you'd post this just after one cornholer corrects a spelling mistake. Is "that" the reason why riders don't post on message boards? They can't spell? Tongue I didn't see where people didn't know what they were talking about as you claimed so early in your post?

Anyway...

Your post was very good to me, minus the doomsday line...I'm glad you got treated the way you and every rider should be treated in SX. I don't think anyone "gets it" why the riders, the ones that are the show, don't get treated like that all the time. Well, we have our thoughts... but when we back you we always get the STFU from industry insiders that side with FELD.

However, I doubt many on here really put too much stake in the X games Super X title.



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8/3/2009 1:59pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 1:18am
Sleeter..It's great you want to post on the message board, it really is, but if you want some advice..stay away from them. Really. Your honest, good intentioned attempt to mingle with the commoners, and share some "insider" knowledge can (and will-if you don't do it right) back fire on you.

And if you want a perfect example of what I'm talking about, get a cliff notes version of the Larry Brooks message board experiences. That wasn't pretty...and I feel bad for Larry.

But if you insist on posting, you are going to have to learn to ignore pretty much everything that is posted about you and in responce to anything you post. If you start taking things personal, and "lashing back" and people on here...well, you'll find yourself on that slippery slope to an internet meltdown faster than that Matthes fella can eat a hot dog (If that slime ball remark was about you, it would be a perfect example of something you'd want to ignore...). And one internet meltdown leads to another...and before long you're the laughing stock of the message board.

Anyway, If you're going to stay-which I don't recommend-then welcome to the board...
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Titan wrote:
Sleeter..It's great you want to post on the message board, it really is, but if you want some advice..stay away from them. Really. Your honest, good...
Sleeter..It's great you want to post on the message board, it really is, but if you want some advice..stay away from them. Really. Your honest, good intentioned attempt to mingle with the commoners, and share some "insider" knowledge can (and will-if you don't do it right) back fire on you.

And if you want a perfect example of what I'm talking about, get a cliff notes version of the Larry Brooks message board experiences. That wasn't pretty...and I feel bad for Larry.

But if you insist on posting, you are going to have to learn to ignore pretty much everything that is posted about you and in responce to anything you post. If you start taking things personal, and "lashing back" and people on here...well, you'll find yourself on that slippery slope to an internet meltdown faster than that Matthes fella can eat a hot dog (If that slime ball remark was about you, it would be a perfect example of something you'd want to ignore...). And one internet meltdown leads to another...and before long you're the laughing stock of the message board.

Anyway, If you're going to stay-which I don't recommend-then welcome to the board...
What about Matthes' technique of agreeing with those who rip on him? Is that suggested or dissuaded?
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8/3/2009 3:03pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 1:18am
Titan wrote:
Sleeter..It's great you want to post on the message board, it really is, but if you want some advice..stay away from them. Really. Your honest, good...
Sleeter..It's great you want to post on the message board, it really is, but if you want some advice..stay away from them. Really. Your honest, good intentioned attempt to mingle with the commoners, and share some "insider" knowledge can (and will-if you don't do it right) back fire on you.

And if you want a perfect example of what I'm talking about, get a cliff notes version of the Larry Brooks message board experiences. That wasn't pretty...and I feel bad for Larry.

But if you insist on posting, you are going to have to learn to ignore pretty much everything that is posted about you and in responce to anything you post. If you start taking things personal, and "lashing back" and people on here...well, you'll find yourself on that slippery slope to an internet meltdown faster than that Matthes fella can eat a hot dog (If that slime ball remark was about you, it would be a perfect example of something you'd want to ignore...). And one internet meltdown leads to another...and before long you're the laughing stock of the message board.

Anyway, If you're going to stay-which I don't recommend-then welcome to the board...
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What about Matthes' technique of agreeing with those who rip on him? Is that suggested or dissuaded?
You have to understand that I think the best practice for any "industry" people that are in the "public" eye, is to just plain not post. PERIOD.

But if they do, I'd say Matthes' technique is an effective medium for dealing with the "haters" on the message boards; as evidenced by the fact that he hasn't had a meltdown yet, and itsn't a popular message board target.

Of course, Matthes is a funny guy and doesn't seem to take anything (especially himself) to seriously (unlike Brooks...and thus far Sleeter), so that might have a lot to do with it as well (but for the record, I don't personally know Matthes, Brooks or Sleeter, so I have know way to know for certain whether or not they take things to seriously, I'm only speaking from interviews they've given/recieved, articles they've written, and their posts on the message boards).
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Glad you're here, Sleeter; thanks for taking the time to post your insights. Just don't expect any special treatment here at Motodrive, and you'll do fine.

About spelling and grammar: this is a text-based medium. That's all we get to express ourselves (well, there's the occasional funny pic), so how you present your self comes across big-time. I think the spell-check ribbing you got was pretty friggin' mild, so I was kind of surprised that it seemed to get to you. It's the reaction to your hazing that counts; that's blood-in-the-water to some people, and if you can take it, you'll be fine. If not, well, there are other places to play on the internet. Just remember, when you drop in at Motodrive, you'll most likely be surrounded by clowns (myself included), so never be surprised when one tries to throw a pie in your face!

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Personally, I would like to see more riders post. I think it gives a unique perspective into the sport. Will they catch shit for bad grammar and misspelling? Of course. We all do. But who cares? We all sit around and bitch about this and that, then someone always throws out something to the effect of we aren't pro racers and don't know what we are talking about. Fine, let the pros talk. IMHO, pretty stupid to try and run people of for grammar and such.

Regarding Brooks. I don't remember the exactly but I thought he came across pretty poorly. But he set himself up for that and did nothing to fix it.

DC posts on here and everyone seems to give him some respect. Let's show that to the pro's that post here as well. Personally, I want those guys around and think it will add to the board.

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