Jimmie Johnson in an Indycar or F1?

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How would he do? Below is from autoracing1.com [b]Jimmie Johnson looking at new open-wheel challenge?[/b] Jimmie Johnson was recently quoted talking about getting into an IndyCar...
How would he do?
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Jimmie Johnson looking at new open-wheel challenge?

Jimmie Johnson was recently quoted talking about getting into an IndyCar or F1 car. Jimmie even states that his background and aspirations were to be in IndyCar racing, just like his teammate Jeff Gordon. The unfortunate part is that the world of open wheel racing in the USA has it's compass and values all wrong. Even though it looks like it's growing and doing better these days, it's not. 17 cars in this year IRL field are buy-a-rides. That is not what a professional sport is about.

“The way I grew up, IndyCar racing was really the only outside exposure I had. I dreamt of racing in the Indy 500 and would go to the Long Beach Grand Prix and hope that I could be on that circuit racing at some point. So I’d love to try an IndyCar or an F1 car. My path has taken me a different way and I think it would be very difficult to get an F1 test. But maybe by putting it out there it could happen.

“To experience driving an IndyCar or F1 car on a road course would be really good for me. Running the Grand-Am car has helped me be a better road course driver, and it would be another step in an F1 or IndyCar to see things at a faster speed in the braking zones and the capabilities of the car, how it turns in.”
It is, but the difference is 1966 triumph to 2010 Factory Bike. I refer back to the steering wheel photos I posted. The cars are completely different. It isn't that JJ couldn't adapt, it is I do not feel he would be competitive with the rest of the field.

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Racer92 6/30/2010 4:02am
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indy_maico wrote:
How would he do? Below is from autoracing1.com [b]Jimmie Johnson looking at new open-wheel challenge?[/b] Jimmie Johnson was recently quoted talking about getting into an IndyCar...
How would he do?
Below is from autoracing1.com

Jimmie Johnson looking at new open-wheel challenge?

Jimmie Johnson was recently quoted talking about getting into an IndyCar or F1 car. Jimmie even states that his background and aspirations were to be in IndyCar racing, just like his teammate Jeff Gordon. The unfortunate part is that the world of open wheel racing in the USA has it's compass and values all wrong. Even though it looks like it's growing and doing better these days, it's not. 17 cars in this year IRL field are buy-a-rides. That is not what a professional sport is about.

“The way I grew up, IndyCar racing was really the only outside exposure I had. I dreamt of racing in the Indy 500 and would go to the Long Beach Grand Prix and hope that I could be on that circuit racing at some point. So I’d love to try an IndyCar or an F1 car. My path has taken me a different way and I think it would be very difficult to get an F1 test. But maybe by putting it out there it could happen.

“To experience driving an IndyCar or F1 car on a road course would be really good for me. Running the Grand-Am car has helped me be a better road course driver, and it would be another step in an F1 or IndyCar to see things at a faster speed in the braking zones and the capabilities of the car, how it turns in.”
Dude, its not really that technical. Maybe to a layperson not familiar with race cars, but in the 4 wheel racing world they are pretty simple.
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I don't think he would stoop (in his mind) to drop down to GP2 for a year to get the lay of the land but if he did I believe he has the talent to do well. Remember Gordons test of Mon toya's Williams? Not too bad having never been in an F1 car before.

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RocketLab wrote:
I don't think he would stoop (in his mind) to drop down to GP2 for a year to get the lay of the land but if...
I don't think he would stoop (in his mind) to drop down to GP2 for a year to get the lay of the land but if he did I believe he has the talent to do well. Remember Gordons test of Mon toya's Williams? Not too bad having never been in an F1 car before.

Yeah, Jeff was just 1.3 sec off Montoya that day, but we don't really know how hard either was trying. It is different running demo laps and running qualifying or race laps.

I was there that day, saw Jeff drive off the end of the back straight, too! Wink

Those no-rev limiter V10's sounded great.



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indy_maico wrote:
How would he do? Below is from autoracing1.com [b]Jimmie Johnson looking at new open-wheel challenge?[/b] Jimmie Johnson was recently quoted talking about getting into an IndyCar...
How would he do?
Below is from autoracing1.com

Jimmie Johnson looking at new open-wheel challenge?

Jimmie Johnson was recently quoted talking about getting into an IndyCar or F1 car. Jimmie even states that his background and aspirations were to be in IndyCar racing, just like his teammate Jeff Gordon. The unfortunate part is that the world of open wheel racing in the USA has it's compass and values all wrong. Even though it looks like it's growing and doing better these days, it's not. 17 cars in this year IRL field are buy-a-rides. That is not what a professional sport is about.

“The way I grew up, IndyCar racing was really the only outside exposure I had. I dreamt of racing in the Indy 500 and would go to the Long Beach Grand Prix and hope that I could be on that circuit racing at some point. So I’d love to try an IndyCar or an F1 car. My path has taken me a different way and I think it would be very difficult to get an F1 test. But maybe by putting it out there it could happen.

“To experience driving an IndyCar or F1 car on a road course would be really good for me. Running the Grand-Am car has helped me be a better road course driver, and it would be another step in an F1 or IndyCar to see things at a faster speed in the braking zones and the capabilities of the car, how it turns in.”
Racer92 wrote:
Dude, its not really that technical. Maybe to a layperson not familiar with race cars, but in the 4 wheel racing world they are pretty simple.
Not only that, but the garage area at Nascar looks like Billy Bobs repair shop compared to Indy Car, and F1 looks like a Sanitized room for brain surgery.

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Larry 6/30/2010 9:01am
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They should throw some of the Nascar motors in some old F1 tubs and see who is the best.

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indy_maico 6/30/2010 9:11am
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indy_maico wrote:
How would he do? Below is from autoracing1.com [b]Jimmie Johnson looking at new open-wheel challenge?[/b] Jimmie Johnson was recently quoted talking about getting into an IndyCar...
How would he do?
Below is from autoracing1.com

Jimmie Johnson looking at new open-wheel challenge?

Jimmie Johnson was recently quoted talking about getting into an IndyCar or F1 car. Jimmie even states that his background and aspirations were to be in IndyCar racing, just like his teammate Jeff Gordon. The unfortunate part is that the world of open wheel racing in the USA has it's compass and values all wrong. Even though it looks like it's growing and doing better these days, it's not. 17 cars in this year IRL field are buy-a-rides. That is not what a professional sport is about.

“The way I grew up, IndyCar racing was really the only outside exposure I had. I dreamt of racing in the Indy 500 and would go to the Long Beach Grand Prix and hope that I could be on that circuit racing at some point. So I’d love to try an IndyCar or an F1 car. My path has taken me a different way and I think it would be very difficult to get an F1 test. But maybe by putting it out there it could happen.

“To experience driving an IndyCar or F1 car on a road course would be really good for me. Running the Grand-Am car has helped me be a better road course driver, and it would be another step in an F1 or IndyCar to see things at a faster speed in the braking zones and the capabilities of the car, how it turns in.”
Racer92 wrote:
Dude, its not really that technical. Maybe to a layperson not familiar with race cars, but in the 4 wheel racing world they are pretty simple.
Blake wrote:
Not only that, but the garage area at Nascar looks like Billy Bobs repair shop compared to Indy Car, and F1 looks like a Sanitized room...
Not only that, but the garage area at Nascar looks like Billy Bobs repair shop compared to Indy Car, and F1 looks like a Sanitized room for brain surgery.

They use a tape measure to set ride height in Neck-Car, while in F1 it is done in half-millimeter increments!

They bang on the rear spoiler with a hammer to make aero adjustments in Neck-Car, while in F1 they have driver-controlled front flap adjustments and drag-altering ducts to the rear wings.

etc, etc, etc!

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Racer92 6/30/2010 9:13am
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indy_maico wrote:
They use a tape measure to set ride height in Neck-Car, while in F1 it is done in half-millimeter increments! They bang on the rear spoiler...
They use a tape measure to set ride height in Neck-Car, while in F1 it is done in half-millimeter increments!

They bang on the rear spoiler with a hammer to make aero adjustments in Neck-Car, while in F1 they have driver-controlled front flap adjustments and drag-altering ducts to the rear wings.

etc, etc, etc!

People dont realize just how much work it is to square, block, and set up a regular sprint car, much less an Indy/F1 car. Open wheel is waaaaay more complicated than A-arms, coil springs and jack bolts.
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Racer92 wrote:
Dude, its not really that technical. Maybe to a layperson not familiar with race cars, but in the 4 wheel racing world they are pretty simple.
Blake wrote:
Not only that, but the garage area at Nascar looks like Billy Bobs repair shop compared to Indy Car, and F1 looks like a Sanitized room...
Not only that, but the garage area at Nascar looks like Billy Bobs repair shop compared to Indy Car, and F1 looks like a Sanitized room for brain surgery.

indy_maico wrote:
They use a tape measure to set ride height in Neck-Car, while in F1 it is done in half-millimeter increments! They bang on the rear spoiler...
They use a tape measure to set ride height in Neck-Car, while in F1 it is done in half-millimeter increments!

They bang on the rear spoiler with a hammer to make aero adjustments in Neck-Car, while in F1 they have driver-controlled front flap adjustments and drag-altering ducts to the rear wings.

etc, etc, etc!

Now THAT is funny.
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indy_maico 6/30/2010 9:22am
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indy_maico wrote:
They use a tape measure to set ride height in Neck-Car, while in F1 it is done in half-millimeter increments! They bang on the rear spoiler...
They use a tape measure to set ride height in Neck-Car, while in F1 it is done in half-millimeter increments!

They bang on the rear spoiler with a hammer to make aero adjustments in Neck-Car, while in F1 they have driver-controlled front flap adjustments and drag-altering ducts to the rear wings.

etc, etc, etc!

Racer92 wrote:
People dont realize just how much work it is to square, block, and set up a regular sprint car, much less an Indy/F1 car. Open wheel...
People dont realize just how much work it is to square, block, and set up a regular sprint car, much less an Indy/F1 car. Open wheel is waaaaay more complicated than A-arms, coil springs and jack bolts.
Most Indycars still use old-fashioned turnbuckles on the pushrods to change ride height and cross-weight.



The last Reynard Indycar and all the current F1 cars use bolt-together pushrods with shims.



No reaching into the rear window with a speed handle and giving it a crank or 2 like in nascar!
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Racer92 6/30/2010 9:30am
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indy_maico wrote:
Most Indycars still use old-fashioned turnbuckles on the pushrods to change ride height and cross-weight. The last Reynard Indycar and all the current F1 cars use...
Most Indycars still use old-fashioned turnbuckles on the pushrods to change ride height and cross-weight.



The last Reynard Indycar and all the current F1 cars use bolt-together pushrods with shims.



No reaching into the rear window with a speed handle and giving it a crank or 2 like in nascar!
Ive never worked on those, but would love to. AJ invited me over to his shop but just never seem to remember to make time. I really need to get by there because I have a sweet USAC midget program from the 60s I want to give him. The USAC bunch used to race near here on the series and he was racing then and is in that program, so I want to let him have it. (he may already have tons of them) That crotchety fart is getting old and I need to make time to get by there while he is still around.

Going back to chassis, its a major pain inna ass if you knock an front axle out on a sprinter. Lots of radius rods, torsion arms, panhard, drag link, blah blah. The rear is even worse with getting the birdcage timed and all the rest keeping it square with the motor plate. You get the rear outta wack you will fight that thing bigtime.
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RocketLab wrote:
I don't think he would stoop (in his mind) to drop down to GP2 for a year to get the lay of the land but if...
I don't think he would stoop (in his mind) to drop down to GP2 for a year to get the lay of the land but if he did I believe he has the talent to do well. Remember Gordons test of Mon toya's Williams? Not too bad having never been in an F1 car before.

indy_maico wrote:
Yeah, Jeff was just 1.3 sec off Montoya that day, but we don't really know how hard either was trying. It is different running demo laps...
Yeah, Jeff was just 1.3 sec off Montoya that day, but we don't really know how hard either was trying. It is different running demo laps and running qualifying or race laps.

I was there that day, saw Jeff drive off the end of the back straight, too! Wink

Those no-rev limiter V10's sounded great.



I hope he was on Bridgestone tires Wink
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I just read in F1 magazine that the new F1 track in Bulgaria will be heated so that if it rains, it will dry out quickly!

Even the track technology blows away neck-car, (or any other race series in the USA for that matter!)
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indy_maico wrote:
I just read in F1 magazine that the new F1 track in Bulgaria will be heated so that if it rains, it will dry out quickly...
I just read in F1 magazine that the new F1 track in Bulgaria will be heated so that if it rains, it will dry out quickly!

Even the track technology blows away neck-car, (or any other race series in the USA for that matter!)
While all that technology is cool as hell, there is something to be said for simple, raw power, throwing it in hard, open wheel racing. No traction control (except your right foot), no transmissions, no gears & clutches, no electronics, mechanical fuel injection, push 'em off, line up and 24 cars going into Turn One flat-footed only inches apart from each other. The sound of a well built 360 idling at 16:1 or winding almost 9-grand on a straight-away, methanol fumes in the air. Aaahh,,, thats racing.

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indy_maico wrote:
I just read in F1 magazine that the new F1 track in Bulgaria will be heated so that if it rains, it will dry out quickly...
I just read in F1 magazine that the new F1 track in Bulgaria will be heated so that if it rains, it will dry out quickly!

Even the track technology blows away neck-car, (or any other race series in the USA for that matter!)
Racer92 wrote:
While all that technology is cool as hell, there is something to be said for simple, raw power, throwing it in hard, open wheel racing. No...
While all that technology is cool as hell, there is something to be said for simple, raw power, throwing it in hard, open wheel racing. No traction control (except your right foot), no transmissions, no gears & clutches, no electronics, mechanical fuel injection, push 'em off, line up and 24 cars going into Turn One flat-footed only inches apart from each other. The sound of a well built 360 idling at 16:1 or winding almost 9-grand on a straight-away, methanol fumes in the air. Aaahh,,, thats racing.

Front wheels off the ground and the rear tires smoking!Cool
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Front wheels off the ground and the rear tires smoking!Cool
Back it in with your foot on the floor pan ! Lifting is for poosies...... Wink

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That pic above is best viewed full size, talk about pushing the limits of a jacobs ladder & bead locks. Woohoo
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At 1:25 he starts flat-footing, thats the point where you get a titanium boner and start hollering in your helmet, "Fuck yeah baby !"

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