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JTC, thanks for posting. I was probably there that day as well. Post 'em if ya got 'em. RIDE ON !!!
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John, at your request: Orlando round of the 1977 Winter-AMA Series. BTW, your name sure rings a bell! [img]http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/7379/img0045ha.jpg[/img] Tommy Croft, navigating the swells in practice...
John, at your request: Orlando round of the 1977 Winter-AMA Series. BTW, your name sure rings a bell!


Tommy Croft, navigating the swells in practice.


Start of the first 125cc moto, Broc Glover leading the way. oldschoolmxr203, there's a Sunshine Cycle jersey on rider #436.


Danny Laporte. I like the clean look of his JT jersey, not even a "JT" to be seen. Kinda ret-ro, even for back then.


Danny's gotten "bye" BrocWink , just barely visible behind him.


Broc


Pomeroy leading Hannah.


Terry Clark


Monte McCoy and Gaylon Mosier.


Marty Tripes


Jimmy Ellis


Rex Staten, year two of the H-D experience. They'd obviously made progress, no duct tape to be seen!



Mercifully, I'm gonna have to cut this group of images short. I hope you enjoy these.
John, at your request: Orlando round of the 1977 Winter-AMA Series. BTW, your name sure rings a bell!


John had a lot of TV time in the early 1990's as a Road Racer, that might be the bell ringing. He also gets around the dirt pretty quick too and grew up racing MX in Florida.
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This thread has brought back some great memories of the good old days in Fla mx. I was looking at some of my old mx memorabilia...
This thread has brought back some great memories of the good old days in Fla mx.
I was looking at some of my old mx memorabilia and came across a souvenier program from the 1976 St. Pete 500 Amateur Nationals.
I scanned it into a pdf file and I want to share it with you guys here....... " http://www.mediafire.com/?635z0b633e039wg "
Ahh man that program is awesome! Those guys (Gratton, Kudalski, Joyner, Pierce) were my hero's back then when I was on minis.
5/19/2011 5:30pm
g0rd057 wrote:
This thread has brought back some great memories of the good old days in Fla mx. I was looking at some of my old mx memorabilia...
This thread has brought back some great memories of the good old days in Fla mx.
I was looking at some of my old mx memorabilia and came across a souvenier program from the 1976 St. Pete 500 Amateur Nationals.
I scanned it into a pdf file and I want to share it with you guys here....... " http://www.mediafire.com/?635z0b633e039wg "
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Ahh man that program is awesome! Those guys (Gratton, Kudalski, Joyner, Pierce) were my hero's back then when I was on minis.
That program is awesome, thanks for posting gord057,

The bottom one, them guys were the fastest pro and A riders in the state in 1976,

I havent seen alot mentioned of Harold Buckingham, he was almost as fast as Kippy on 125 s, he raced for Barneys Yamaha and had a support ride,later on he would finish top 5 at the pro classes of the Fla Winter series, he also had a brother that raced, his name was Mike, was a dam good 175 cc class racer.

I met Harold and his brother and all the top guys, thru a guy named Joe Cartier, he was one of the fastest amatuers from the St Pete./Tampa area, and another kid named Freddie Van Waggoner, (RIP Freddie), he was ffrom Seminole also.
But one thing i do remember about Freddie and Harold was, they both had Super Hot sisters lol
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EC Birt was the guy's name, not the name of a company. EC worked/partnered in several shops in FLA during the mid 70's. I remember him...
EC Birt was the guy's name, not the name of a company. EC worked/partnered in several shops in FLA during the mid 70's.
I remember him working a short while for a place called "EC and Walker" in Stuart. I think?
Last remember seeing him in Fla was when I visited a small shop in deerfield beach which he owned and operated for about a year. Soon after that shop closed, I believe he left for Tennessee and started working on go-kart stuff..
He never seemed to settle in one place for too long.
Here's his latest endeavor at 70+ years old..... http://www.eccarburetors.com/
He also writes articles for superhunky.com..... http://articles.superhunky.com/bio/E.C.%20Birt
Wow, I do have something botched in my memory, but thanks for the clarification. I'm now thinking perhaps a guy who's son rode Birt-prepped equipment is who I've got tangled in my mind, or maybe I'm confusing Birt with someone else entirely. This kid would've been in the Tampa area in the late 70's and riding Honda CR's. I may have to rely on my father's 84 year-old memory down in Tampa to help clear this up.

Thanks again!

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5/19/2011 7:26pm
JTC, thanks for posting. I was probably there that day as well. Post 'em if ya got 'em. RIDE ON !!!
JineTC wrote:
John, at your request: Orlando round of the 1977 Winter-AMA Series. BTW, your name sure rings a bell! [img]http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/7379/img0045ha.jpg[/img] Tommy Croft, navigating the swells in practice...
John, at your request: Orlando round of the 1977 Winter-AMA Series. BTW, your name sure rings a bell!


Tommy Croft, navigating the swells in practice.


Start of the first 125cc moto, Broc Glover leading the way. oldschoolmxr203, there's a Sunshine Cycle jersey on rider #436.


Danny Laporte. I like the clean look of his JT jersey, not even a "JT" to be seen. Kinda ret-ro, even for back then.


Danny's gotten "bye" BrocWink , just barely visible behind him.


Broc


Pomeroy leading Hannah.


Terry Clark


Monte McCoy and Gaylon Mosier.


Marty Tripes


Jimmy Ellis


Rex Staten, year two of the H-D experience. They'd obviously made progress, no duct tape to be seen!



Mercifully, I'm gonna have to cut this group of images short. I hope you enjoy these.
gsxrcr28 wrote:
[b]John, at your request: Orlando round of the 1977 Winter-AMA Series. BTW, your name sure rings a bell![/b] John had a lot of TV time in...
John, at your request: Orlando round of the 1977 Winter-AMA Series. BTW, your name sure rings a bell!


John had a lot of TV time in the early 1990's as a Road Racer, that might be the bell ringing. He also gets around the dirt pretty quick too and grew up racing MX in Florida.
Those are very kind words gsxrcr28. Do I owe you money or something??? Huh
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JOHN CHOATE wrote: Those are very kind words gsxrcr28. Do I owe you money or something???


Nahh, just buy me dinner next time you're down, and not Sonny's BBQ. Wink
5/19/2011 8:09pm Edited Date/Time 5/19/2011 8:10pm
Anyone know how did Freddie Van Waggoner passed away?
Im pretty sure i read this in Cycle News John,

Freddie stopped racing for a few yrs, then started again, and was on his way to a race,had his bike in the back of his truck,and i dont know all the details, but he was hit by a garbage truck.and killed.

another MX life cut short,, RIP Freddie
5/20/2011 1:02am
Anyone know how did Freddie Van Waggoner passed away?
Im pretty sure i read this in Cycle News John, Freddie stopped racing for a few yrs, then started again, and was on his way to...
Im pretty sure i read this in Cycle News John,

Freddie stopped racing for a few yrs, then started again, and was on his way to a race,had his bike in the back of his truck,and i dont know all the details, but he was hit by a garbage truck.and killed.

another MX life cut short,, RIP Freddie
I believe he was actually on the way home, and rear ended the truck. Sad day.
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Are any of the once great Florida tracks from back in the day still alive? I know Gainseville is. And Coca and St. Pete are gone. I remember also racing in west palm and practicing at Bithlo when my buddies and I came down for the winter series.
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Are any of the once great Florida tracks from back in the day still alive? I know Gainseville is. And Coca and St. Pete are gone...
Are any of the once great Florida tracks from back in the day still alive? I know Gainseville is. And Coca and St. Pete are gone. I remember also racing in west palm and practicing at Bithlo when my buddies and I came down for the winter series.
Sunshine MX track in St. Pete. is still in operation.
The original track doesn't exist anymore but a new track was built on the same property.
As a matter of fact, there's a FLVMX vintage mx race scheduled there for this Sat. nite, (05/21)
http://www.sunshinemotocross.com/
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Sunshine MX track in St. Pete. is still in operation. The original track doesn't exist anymore but a new track was built on the same property...
Sunshine MX track in St. Pete. is still in operation.
The original track doesn't exist anymore but a new track was built on the same property.
As a matter of fact, there's a FLVMX vintage mx race scheduled there for this Sat. nite, (05/21)
http://www.sunshinemotocross.com/
Good to see. I was down in Florida in March and drove down 118th Avenue, looking for the "condensed" track where it was about six years ago. I didn't see it and was afraid there was no more Sunshine. I'm glad to see it's still going; I Google Earth'd it just now; looks good, you can even see the berms, starting gate, etc.
5/21/2011 9:55am
Sunshine moved their track from the 118th street location to an area that was part of the original national track, just behind the staging lanes for the drag strip. More room to work with, but the original "new" Sunshine track just had that somethimg that the new location does not.

It was a much less forgiving track , I miss it.
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Sunshine moved their track from the 118th street location to an area that was part of the original national track, just behind the staging lanes for...
Sunshine moved their track from the 118th street location to an area that was part of the original national track, just behind the staging lanes for the drag strip. More room to work with, but the original "new" Sunshine track just had that somethimg that the new location does not.

It was a much less forgiving track , I miss it.
By the "new" you mean the 118th location? I never rode that track, but it seemed tight and technical. Judging only by the Google image, the latest track looks opposite of that.

To finish off the 1977 Orlando Winter-AMA Series images:


A bearded Jimmy Ellis. Check out the throttle cable here and in the next two images.


Hannah. It looks like if he got in a low enough charging stance he could get that cable caught around his neck.


Karsmakers, back from his Honda stint.


Penton-mounted Kudalski.


Typically Sugar Bear (1).


Jeff Jennings


Typically Sugar Bear (2).


Kudalski


I obviously have yet to figure out that exposure thing. The Hurricane that was.


Gassin' Gaylon


Mosier's Wheelsmith Maico.


A victorious Danny LaPorte.
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5/23/2011 12:43pm Edited Date/Time 5/23/2011 12:46pm
Check out the disk brake on Jimmy Ellis's Can Am , that was 1977.
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Thank you everyone for sharing! The photos and stories are great. They really depict the soul of MX. There is nothing better than your heroes working a rough sand track.
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Thank you everyone for sharing! The photos and stories are great. They really depict the soul of MX. There is nothing better than your heroes working...
Thank you everyone for sharing! The photos and stories are great. They really depict the soul of MX. There is nothing better than your heroes working a rough sand track.
I wish I'd had some stories worth adding, but photos will have to suffice as my contribution. I'm more nostalgic about the "old days" of motocross than anything else in my life, and am grateful for not having missed them.

I've always liked that Mosier image, but also disappointed in it due to my amateurish efforts at photography (a Gianatsis I was not). Here's an likewise amateurish result of playing around with some imaging software to improve on it. The colorization is a little on the heavy side, but it's an improvement on the original (I think).



It appears to me he's trying to make an inside-or-outside decision here, by virtue of the rear fender and silencer ahead of him in the lower corner of the photo.

Here's an image of a souvenir from the series:



Speaking of Gianatsis, there are some photos taken at Sunshine Speedway at the '77 500 National, available on his web site below, starting with the Hannah pic, obviously. They do enlarge, but not by a tremendous amount.

http://www.trueartworks.com/artist.php/jim-gianatsis/2
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"There is nothing better than your heroes working a rough sand track."

" I'm more nostalgic about the "old days" of motocross than anything else in my life, and am grateful for not having missed them. "
BIG DITTO on both!
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Probably my favorite thread of all the threads on Vital. Thanks for all the great pics, guys.
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A pic of Gaylon Mosier and Danny LaPorte,, @ Sunshine, 1978/79 [img][IMG]http://i848.photobucket.com/albums/ab47/mxr203/gaylonmosieranddl.jpg[/IMG][/img]
A pic of Gaylon Mosier and Danny LaPorte,, @ Sunshine, 1978/79

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oldschool, that is one great pic! Danny looks like he's willing (and likely able) to move Gaylon back one spot. I'm guessing that's actually the 1977 500 National; Danny wore #7 that year and this snip from the March issue of American Motorcyclist indicates Mosier moved to Kawasaki in 1978. I certainly couldn't recall without researching it:



In the researching process I also found this image online of Mosier. There was no caption with the image, but judging by his number plate background color and the size of that cylinder I'm guessing he was on a 125, and by the bib he's wearing, likely at Mid-Ohio(?).

5/28/2011 9:49am
Im sure your right JineTC,,

I started going to Sunshine, in 74 until 82, and of all them yrs only have 15-20 pics, it was so long ago, i get my yrs confused sometimes ,Dizzy Whistling ,,, sucks to get old ,,,Laughing Whistling

Good idea to age the pics based on the Nat Numbers,,Cool
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Im sure your right JineTC,, I started going to Sunshine, in 74 until 82, and of all them yrs only have 15-20 pics, it was so...
Im sure your right JineTC,,

I started going to Sunshine, in 74 until 82, and of all them yrs only have 15-20 pics, it was so long ago, i get my yrs confused sometimes ,Dizzy Whistling ,,, sucks to get old ,,,Laughing Whistling

Good idea to age the pics based on the Nat Numbers,,Cool
I was right there with you and thought that you'd called it right, and for years had been thinking Mosier rode Maicos right up to the end, forgetting about Kawasaki. I looked at photos I had of the 1978 National with LaPorte sporting #4, and figured it was time to dig in and figure it out. I agree with you, to get old doth suck.Pinch

Does anyone recall if the 1978 National was the last at Sunshine Speedway? I can't recall any after that; I was fairly religious about attending and documenting the races with a camera, but I can't find any after '78. Again like you said, oldschoolmxr203 about that aging thing...

I need to go back through the previous eight pages of this thread to look for your photos; any you haven't posted need to be posted. That last one is a great one!
5/28/2011 10:38am
Im pretty sure they had Nationals there until 1982, then changed to gainsville in 83? but Kenny Keylon, won boths motos on the Factory Honda in 82, ? i think lol
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Im pretty sure they had Nationals there until 1982, then changed to gainsville in 83? but Kenny Keylon, won boths motos on the Factory Honda in...
Im pretty sure they had Nationals there until 1982, then changed to gainsville in 83? but Kenny Keylon, won boths motos on the Factory Honda in 82, ? i think lol
Correct, sir. The first two nationals I attended were St.Pete in 81 and 82!
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O-h yeah, you guys are right! I forgot about that. Kenny won a 250 National on a factory Honda as you said, if I'm thinking straight on the displacement. For some reason (senility) that escaped me entirely. I've no idea what kept me from those events.

How is it so many (seemingly) ex-Floridians ended up in the mid-upper South; y'all two in Tennessee, John Choate in Carolina, myself in Virginia? Actually, I guess I can answer that last part.Blink
5/28/2011 11:44pm Edited Date/Time 5/28/2011 11:56pm
The last big event I attended at Sunshine was the '83 Winter-Am. When Bill West took the National and moved it to Gatorback, I believe he did not renew the lease in St.Pete.

Seems like in the span of 2-3 years,we lost most of the main stay District 8 tracks.

Chicken Farm, Orlando Sports Stadium, Sunshine , North Florida Raceway.

These were all stops on the Winter-Am circuit at one time. The very first Winter Olympics MX was held at North Florida in '73. By 1985, the AMA no longer recognized District 8 as part of their competition region.

When I called the AMA rep, he told me that due to lack of organization, the AMA considered D-8 in a perpetual "confused state", thus ,they no longer would give recognition the the competition side of the district. I don't believe the district has ever been officially recognized since then.

I remember that day in '82 when Keylon put it to them. Johnny O won the 125 class that day, which if I'm not mistaken ,was his first 125 national overall win. We were all standing on top of our Yamaha shop's big straight truck. Al Baker and some other Honda wig were trying to shoot video from the fence.

It was a tough decision, but we finally invited them up on top of the truck, which was totally decked out in a Yamaha motif.

Those red white and blue Honda shirts they were wearing sure were out of place up on that truck.
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District 8 completely fell apart midway through the 1982 season. I remember agroup of parents/officials tried to get their own organization off the ground called FMC (florida motocross club). Their home track was at Bithlo and I hadn't been there yet.
The people who were in charge and were going to jump ship, changed the schedule so the District 8 raced at Bithlo too. I was leading the points in the 250 B class and was already dreaming of accepting my 6 foot tall trophy at he banquet after all the hard work and time spent traveling all year and NOT missing a single race.(the secret to winning a championship back then). When it all was over the then last official act of the reigning District 8 pres , I think his name was Dub Murphee, was to walk through pits at Bithlo and hand me my 1 foot tall ,single column trophy . Apparently all the $$$ was gone and there was no banquet ,no huge trophies, no pomp and circumstance, NOTHING. what a let down. We raced the last race at St.Pete, Chicken Farm, and Orlando Sports Stadium that year too. They all shut down. I raced the 1983 Winter Am and the Golden Gate Speedway Supercross series, and the last night of the series was the championship race for my 250 class and I won that 6 foot trophy. I retired on the way home that night. I said to my grandfather as we drove back that all the tracks have closed , and there's no way I'll be able to top this giant trophy. Let's quit. And we did. He died a couple years ago at 94 and still talked of those days from 20 years before when we were chasing points all over the state. Sorry to drag on so long but I get VERY nostalgic when anyone reminds me of those days. OH, and we saw you guys on top of the Cahills truck too !
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5/29/2011 11:59am
I remember that Cahill's truck well. Used to see it at Dade City and the national and winter series events in the 80's. Then from 92-94 I worked there and had to move it out of the way every morning. Thing made a hell of a gate....

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