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SEEMEFIRST wrote:

I live in the Ft.Worth/Dallas area. You can bet your sweet ass people were at schoolboard meetings when my kids were in school. We weren't dealing...

I live in the Ft.Worth/Dallas area.

You can bet your sweet ass people were at schoolboard meetings when my kids were in school. We weren't dealing with this perversion, but more about education. I realize that this is a new concept,  but 15-20 years ago we wanted our kids to learn the basics.

 

ToolMaker wrote:

Catholics

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ToolMaker wrote:

Catholics

https://judiciary.house.gov/media/press-releases/judiciary-committee-un…

early wrote:

Are you familiar with the 7 Mountain Dominionist movement and the New Apostolic Reformation movement?

ToolMaker wrote:

"And no, parents have no rights to control public school curriculums, nor should they. If public school isn't providing what they desire for their child, they...

"And no, parents have no rights to control public school curriculums, nor should they. If public school isn't providing what they desire for their child, they are free to choose an alternative."

Sounds like some indoctrinated speech there. NO, you're not "free" to choose an alternative. You're penalized to the tune of $10,000-$20,000 per year to "choose" an alternative. You see, taxes are collected from you and me to pay for an education. But our lovely politicians are bought and paid for by the teachers union. So if you "choose" an alternative those tax dollars are kept from you and you have to not only continue to pay your taxes but also tuition for the private school MotoTrib says you're "free to choose".

Ignorance is bliss

TM

ToolMaker wrote:

"And no, parents have no rights to control public school curriculums, nor should they. If public school isn't providing what they desire for their child, they...

"And no, parents have no rights to control public school curriculums, nor should they. If public school isn't providing what they desire for their child, they are free to choose an alternative."

Sounds like some indoctrinated speech there. NO, you're not "free" to choose an alternative. You're penalized to the tune of $10,000-$20,000 per year to "choose" an alternative. You see, taxes are collected from you and me to pay for an education. But our lovely politicians are bought and paid for by the teachers union. So if you "choose" an alternative those tax dollars are kept from you and you have to not only continue to pay your taxes but also tuition for the private school MotoTrib says you're "free to choose".

Ignorance is bliss

TM

early wrote:

Here in Ohio some smaller school districts especially smaller towns not outside Cleveland Columbus or Cincinnati have open enrollment, you don't have to live in that...

Here in Ohio some smaller school districts especially smaller towns not outside Cleveland Columbus or Cincinnati have open enrollment, you don't have to live in that town to go to that school. They generally aren't the best schools though. 

They've been trying charter school voucher programs to replace troubled mostly urban public school systems and the results have been very underwhelming. The ones I've seen and what I've read about them definitely gives off scammy vibes. Rundown old churches, strip malls, just not good environments, but the school gets paid like $12k a kid.

There's a big push for voucher schooling, home schooling, etc by the right nationwide. The idea is that you pull enough kids out of the public school system and you can break the public school system and break the teachers union. Combine this with a Supreme Court that will let these vouchers be used a religious schools and you got a recipe for the churches to take over education. Given the declining Christian church attendance its not hard for them to see that 1 day a week of indoctrination isn't enough, it's got to be 6 or 7. This is one of the 7 mountains.

Personally I don't think tax money should be used for religious education, that's a violation of the first amendment in my eyes. I also don't think there should be any public sector unions.

early wrote:

Here in Ohio some smaller school districts especially smaller towns not outside Cleveland Columbus or Cincinnati have open enrollment, you don't have to live in that...

Here in Ohio some smaller school districts especially smaller towns not outside Cleveland Columbus or Cincinnati have open enrollment, you don't have to live in that town to go to that school. They generally aren't the best schools though. 

They've been trying charter school voucher programs to replace troubled mostly urban public school systems and the results have been very underwhelming. The ones I've seen and what I've read about them definitely gives off scammy vibes. Rundown old churches, strip malls, just not good environments, but the school gets paid like $12k a kid.

There's a big push for voucher schooling, home schooling, etc by the right nationwide. The idea is that you pull enough kids out of the public school system and you can break the public school system and break the teachers union. Combine this with a Supreme Court that will let these vouchers be used a religious schools and you got a recipe for the churches to take over education. Given the declining Christian church attendance its not hard for them to see that 1 day a week of indoctrination isn't enough, it's got to be 6 or 7. This is one of the 7 mountains.

Personally I don't think tax money should be used for religious education, that's a violation of the first amendment in my eyes. I also don't think there should be any public sector unions.

early wrote:

Here in Ohio some smaller school districts especially smaller towns not outside Cleveland Columbus or Cincinnati have open enrollment, you don't have to live in that...

Here in Ohio some smaller school districts especially smaller towns not outside Cleveland Columbus or Cincinnati have open enrollment, you don't have to live in that town to go to that school. They generally aren't the best schools though. 

They've been trying charter school voucher programs to replace troubled mostly urban public school systems and the results have been very underwhelming. The ones I've seen and what I've read about them definitely gives off scammy vibes. Rundown old churches, strip malls, just not good environments, but the school gets paid like $12k a kid.

There's a big push for voucher schooling, home schooling, etc by the right nationwide. The idea is that you pull enough kids out of the public school system and you can break the public school system and break the teachers union. Combine this with a Supreme Court that will let these vouchers be used a religious schools and you got a recipe for the churches to take over education. Given the declining Christian church attendance its not hard for them to see that 1 day a week of indoctrination isn't enough, it's got to be 6 or 7. This is one of the 7 mountains.

Personally I don't think tax money should be used for religious education, that's a violation of the first amendment in my eyes. I also don't think there should be any public sector unions.

eddie wrote:

“Personally I don't think tax money should be used for religious education, that's a violation of the first amendment in my eyes. I also don't think...

“Personally I don't think tax money should be used for religious education, that's a violation of the first amendment in my eyes. I also don't think there should be any public sector unions.“

 

I agree 100% with this . 

early wrote:

Here in Ohio some smaller school districts especially smaller towns not outside Cleveland Columbus or Cincinnati have open enrollment, you don't have to live in that...

Here in Ohio some smaller school districts especially smaller towns not outside Cleveland Columbus or Cincinnati have open enrollment, you don't have to live in that town to go to that school. They generally aren't the best schools though. 

They've been trying charter school voucher programs to replace troubled mostly urban public school systems and the results have been very underwhelming. The ones I've seen and what I've read about them definitely gives off scammy vibes. Rundown old churches, strip malls, just not good environments, but the school gets paid like $12k a kid.

There's a big push for voucher schooling, home schooling, etc by the right nationwide. The idea is that you pull enough kids out of the public school system and you can break the public school system and break the teachers union. Combine this with a Supreme Court that will let these vouchers be used a religious schools and you got a recipe for the churches to take over education. Given the declining Christian church attendance its not hard for them to see that 1 day a week of indoctrination isn't enough, it's got to be 6 or 7. This is one of the 7 mountains.

Personally I don't think tax money should be used for religious education, that's a violation of the first amendment in my eyes. I also don't think there should be any public sector unions.

eddie wrote:

“Personally I don't think tax money should be used for religious education, that's a violation of the first amendment in my eyes. I also don't think...

“Personally I don't think tax money should be used for religious education, that's a violation of the first amendment in my eyes. I also don't think there should be any public sector unions.“

 

I agree 100% with this . 

early wrote:

Here in Ohio some smaller school districts especially smaller towns not outside Cleveland Columbus or Cincinnati have open enrollment, you don't have to live in that...

Here in Ohio some smaller school districts especially smaller towns not outside Cleveland Columbus or Cincinnati have open enrollment, you don't have to live in that town to go to that school. They generally aren't the best schools though. 

They've been trying charter school voucher programs to replace troubled mostly urban public school systems and the results have been very underwhelming. The ones I've seen and what I've read about them definitely gives off scammy vibes. Rundown old churches, strip malls, just not good environments, but the school gets paid like $12k a kid.

There's a big push for voucher schooling, home schooling, etc by the right nationwide. The idea is that you pull enough kids out of the public school system and you can break the public school system and break the teachers union. Combine this with a Supreme Court that will let these vouchers be used a religious schools and you got a recipe for the churches to take over education. Given the declining Christian church attendance its not hard for them to see that 1 day a week of indoctrination isn't enough, it's got to be 6 or 7. This is one of the 7 mountains.

Personally I don't think tax money should be used for religious education, that's a violation of the first amendment in my eyes. I also don't think there should be any public sector unions.

eddie wrote:

“Personally I don't think tax money should be used for religious education, that's a violation of the first amendment in my eyes. I also don't think...

“Personally I don't think tax money should be used for religious education, that's a violation of the first amendment in my eyes. I also don't think there should be any public sector unions.“

 

I agree 100% with this . 

JOE_SPROCKETS#1 wrote:

Personally I don’t think tax money should be spend on any ideology education. Fix it. 

Boomslang wrote:

I cannot understand why people would still vote for biden. He should be in jail.

ToolMaker wrote:

If the state school board says this is the curriculum for a 2nd grader and the private school teaches that curriculum and does a better job...

If the state school board says this is the curriculum for a 2nd grader and the private school teaches that curriculum and does a better job of it then the public system, is it not better for the child to get the best education possible for the same amount of money spent?

Now if that same organization says this curriculum is taught from 8:30am-2:30pm and the child is free to go home. What is the problem with that?

Now if the same organization says the child is free to stay from 2:45-5:00 for after school activities which may include Bible study. Still no problem. It's not being taught during school hours paid for by tax dollars.

My kids were fortunate. They grew up in a house where (mostly my wife) we were very involved and supplemented their education. Most kids today don't get that. The schools get more money and have higher failer rates. The kids aren't dumber when they go into school. The teaching priorities have changed. Why not put them in a proven successful program? Even charter schools put out better educated kids and operate on a much smaller budget. So if all the other models do better for less money, when do you accept public school is a failed model.

TM

early wrote:

Here in Ohio some smaller school districts especially smaller towns not outside Cleveland Columbus or Cincinnati have open enrollment, you don't have to live in that...

Here in Ohio some smaller school districts especially smaller towns not outside Cleveland Columbus or Cincinnati have open enrollment, you don't have to live in that town to go to that school. They generally aren't the best schools though. 

They've been trying charter school voucher programs to replace troubled mostly urban public school systems and the results have been very underwhelming. The ones I've seen and what I've read about them definitely gives off scammy vibes. Rundown old churches, strip malls, just not good environments, but the school gets paid like $12k a kid.

There's a big push for voucher schooling, home schooling, etc by the right nationwide. The idea is that you pull enough kids out of the public school system and you can break the public school system and break the teachers union. Combine this with a Supreme Court that will let these vouchers be used a religious schools and you got a recipe for the churches to take over education. Given the declining Christian church attendance its not hard for them to see that 1 day a week of indoctrination isn't enough, it's got to be 6 or 7. This is one of the 7 mountains.

Personally I don't think tax money should be used for religious education, that's a violation of the first amendment in my eyes. I also don't think there should be any public sector unions.

eddie wrote:

“Personally I don't think tax money should be used for religious education, that's a violation of the first amendment in my eyes. I also don't think...

“Personally I don't think tax money should be used for religious education, that's a violation of the first amendment in my eyes. I also don't think there should be any public sector unions.“

 

I agree 100% with this . 

ToolMaker wrote:

Because a school is held at a church property, that does not mean it will be a religious education. We're not supposed to be paying for...

Because a school is held at a church property, that does not mean it will be a religious education. We're not supposed to be paying for abortion and we still give money to "Planned Parenthood". So it's pretty hypocritical to say we can't give money to an organization because something else happens in the other side of the building that you don't like.

ToolMaker wrote:

If the state school board says this is the curriculum for a 2nd grader and the private school teaches that curriculum and does a better job...

If the state school board says this is the curriculum for a 2nd grader and the private school teaches that curriculum and does a better job of it then the public system, is it not better for the child to get the best education possible for the same amount of money spent?

Now if that same organization says this curriculum is taught from 8:30am-2:30pm and the child is free to go home. What is the problem with that?

Now if the same organization says the child is free to stay from 2:45-5:00 for after school activities which may include Bible study. Still no problem. It's not being taught during school hours paid for by tax dollars.

My kids were fortunate. They grew up in a house where (mostly my wife) we were very involved and supplemented their education. Most kids today don't get that. The schools get more money and have higher failer rates. The kids aren't dumber when they go into school. The teaching priorities have changed. Why not put them in a proven successful program? Even charter schools put out better educated kids and operate on a much smaller budget. So if all the other models do better for less money, when do you accept public school is a failed model.

TM

early wrote:

The question is does that religious institution have the same resources with or without the tax money going to them. These institutions already get alot of...

The question is does that religious institution have the same resources with or without the tax money going to them. These institutions already get alot of benefits as it is.

Having said that I am currently sending my kids to a preschool with pretty much the exact setup you are describing as far as a separated school, they do not get subsidized tuition however, and it is working very well in our situation.

Spoonguy wrote:

We are not terribly religious people, but we made the sacrifice and paid to send our kids to private religious schools. Sorry but the theme of...

We are not terribly religious people, but we made the sacrifice and paid to send our kids to private religious schools. Sorry but the theme of public schools first and foremost is indoctrinating kids into the idea that government is your altruistic friend, and we couldn't tolerate that. Anyways it paid off in the end with academic college scholarships for both kids, being nursing and engineering, I don't think learning prayers or the old testament along the way was that bad. Now the worth of a college education is a different argument altogether.

ToolMaker wrote:

If the state school board says this is the curriculum for a 2nd grader and the private school teaches that curriculum and does a better job...

If the state school board says this is the curriculum for a 2nd grader and the private school teaches that curriculum and does a better job of it then the public system, is it not better for the child to get the best education possible for the same amount of money spent?

Now if that same organization says this curriculum is taught from 8:30am-2:30pm and the child is free to go home. What is the problem with that?

Now if the same organization says the child is free to stay from 2:45-5:00 for after school activities which may include Bible study. Still no problem. It's not being taught during school hours paid for by tax dollars.

My kids were fortunate. They grew up in a house where (mostly my wife) we were very involved and supplemented their education. Most kids today don't get that. The schools get more money and have higher failer rates. The kids aren't dumber when they go into school. The teaching priorities have changed. Why not put them in a proven successful program? Even charter schools put out better educated kids and operate on a much smaller budget. So if all the other models do better for less money, when do you accept public school is a failed model.

TM

early wrote:

The question is does that religious institution have the same resources with or without the tax money going to them. These institutions already get alot of...

The question is does that religious institution have the same resources with or without the tax money going to them. These institutions already get alot of benefits as it is.

Having said that I am currently sending my kids to a preschool with pretty much the exact setup you are describing as far as a separated school, they do not get subsidized tuition however, and it is working very well in our situation.

ToolMaker wrote:

So, hypothetically speaking, 3 teachers at a public school 1: Monday comes in and tells the class about their weekend, tells all about their transitioning experiece...

So, hypothetically speaking,

3 teachers at a public school

1: Monday comes in and tells the class about their weekend, tells all about their transitioning experiece so he/soon to be she can be a husband and wife household.

2: Comes in and tells about the Christian retreat at the lake fishing

3: Comes in and tells how they finally finished their fasting and why they fast.

So the public teachers are claiming we are keeping them from getting to know their students by not letting them share their life, if we don't let them share gay and transition stories. But teacher 2, and 3 can't share?

APLMAN99 wrote:

One thing that I see lately is people talking about going to school board meetings and making demands about this or that.  That's not where the...

One thing that I see lately is people talking about going to school board meetings and making demands about this or that.  That's not where the real work gets done.  It gets done by talking with administrators and school board members through working on committees, working groups, etc.  We have a local group here that has been trying to effectively hijack several local school board meetings, but strangely enough there never seems to be very many members of this 'group' that seem to want to spend any time working to research the topics at hand within these committees.  They seem more interested in making (sometimes) veiled threats towards board members who don't instantly agree with their demands.  

Another thing is that these same groups in our local area seem to conflate being heard with getting their way when it comes to their 'demands'.  

Our local school districts to a pretty damned good job with balancing all of the things they need to do to educate our kids as best as possible.  Is it perfect in my eyes?  No.  But nothing that I would think of as perfect would satisfy every other single person in our district either, so there's that.  

early wrote:

The question is does that religious institution have the same resources with or without the tax money going to them. These institutions already get alot of...

The question is does that religious institution have the same resources with or without the tax money going to them. These institutions already get alot of benefits as it is.

Having said that I am currently sending my kids to a preschool with pretty much the exact setup you are describing as far as a separated school, they do not get subsidized tuition however, and it is working very well in our situation.

ToolMaker wrote:

So, hypothetically speaking, 3 teachers at a public school 1: Monday comes in and tells the class about their weekend, tells all about their transitioning experiece...

So, hypothetically speaking,

3 teachers at a public school

1: Monday comes in and tells the class about their weekend, tells all about their transitioning experiece so he/soon to be she can be a husband and wife household.

2: Comes in and tells about the Christian retreat at the lake fishing

3: Comes in and tells how they finally finished their fasting and why they fast.

So the public teachers are claiming we are keeping them from getting to know their students by not letting them share their life, if we don't let them share gay and transition stories. But teacher 2, and 3 can't share?

ns503 wrote:

Don't think I remember hearing our 3 kids saying anything about teachers regaling about any of their personal lives in their collective 39 years of pre...

Don't think I remember hearing our 3 kids saying anything about teachers regaling about any of their personal lives in their collective 39 years of pre secondary schooling. They just taught. And it was decades ago but I don't remember hearing teachers get personal with us either. 

ToolMaker wrote:

So, hypothetically speaking, 3 teachers at a public school 1: Monday comes in and tells the class about their weekend, tells all about their transitioning experiece...

So, hypothetically speaking,

3 teachers at a public school

1: Monday comes in and tells the class about their weekend, tells all about their transitioning experiece so he/soon to be she can be a husband and wife household.

2: Comes in and tells about the Christian retreat at the lake fishing

3: Comes in and tells how they finally finished their fasting and why they fast.

So the public teachers are claiming we are keeping them from getting to know their students by not letting them share their life, if we don't let them share gay and transition stories. But teacher 2, and 3 can't share?

ns503 wrote:

Don't think I remember hearing our 3 kids saying anything about teachers regaling about any of their personal lives in their collective 39 years of pre...

Don't think I remember hearing our 3 kids saying anything about teachers regaling about any of their personal lives in their collective 39 years of pre secondary schooling. They just taught. And it was decades ago but I don't remember hearing teachers get personal with us either. 

ToolMaker wrote:

Apparently you didn't watch all the teachers fighting against the reform that DeSantis passed that kept teachers from discussing sex with young kids. To try and...

Apparently you didn't watch all the teachers fighting against the reform that DeSantis passed that kept teachers from discussing sex with young kids. To try and feign outrage they told everyone it was a "don't say gay" bill, even so that was nowhere in the bill. But all the teachers that complained about not being able to share their gay and transgender life style, were you without contact with civilization?

ToolMaker wrote:

My personal experience, when we got out of line it was a swift smack with the wood pointer all teachers had. They had less discipline problems...

My personal experience, when we got out of line it was a swift smack with the wood pointer all teachers had. They had less discipline problems in the classroom back then

Boomslang wrote:

I cannot understand why people would still vote for biden. He should be in jail.

ns503 wrote:

So should the other guy. 

2024 will be a lesser of 2 evils vote. Sadly.