Hey guys.
I just picked up a 25ft bumper pull toy hauler. Pretty pumped.
I drive a 2015 Expedition with a 3.5 eco, 4X4, with max towing. Rated at a max towing capacity of approximately 9,200 pounds. The trailer I just picked up weighs 4,700 pounds and I figure around 5,700 with bikes, tools, gear, etc.
Any of you guys towing similar weight campers with a half ton? Are you using a weight distribution hitch? If so, how was the towing before and after?
I’ve been told I don’t necessarily need it but it will make towing more comfortable and safer. But, before dropping $600-$800 on a quality WDH I figured I’d reach out for some feedback.
Additionally what have I not thought of in theory for the garage space? How is yours set up? There is not a partition separating garage space and the total garage space is approximately 13ft. What should you have done differently when setting yours up?
My camper is the same weight. Weighs 4,660 with a GVWR of 5,750. I have a Tundra and it pulls it fine without a WDH.
I don't tow a camper but I do tow around 7k lbs regularly with a 2022 Tundra and haven't felt the need for WDH. With Toyota going to coil springs in the rear I'm using SumoSprings to keep it leveled out. Tows like a champ.
Blue Ox has been my favorite setup. Towing with a 1/2 ton I would definitely suggest a WD Hitch.
It will lessen the sway of the trailer when it moves side to side. That typically happens in wind and when a trailer is loaded with an incorrect weight bias with too much pressure either lifting on your hitch or pushing on your hitch(too much weight behind the trailer axles or too much weight on the trailer tongue).
Most of my buddies that have WDH love towing with them and state they are definitely more stable than towing without it. They do take several extra minutes in the hitching process than just a regular hitch. There is different procedures for different hitches but they are all relatively close. It will probably 20-30 minutes the first few times you do it but that time decreases quickly.
The one biggest complaint I’ve heard with the open garage is the lingering fuel odor. The best way to not get it is to carry fuel cans elsewhere if possible. Keep the outside of your gas cans clean, seriously, a quick scrub and rinse on empty cans once or twice a year when washing bikes helps a lot. Don’t spill on the bikes when refilling and rinse them off if you do. Don’t load bike with completely full gas tanks. 1/2 tanks or less. Fuel will slosh while driving and potentially drip out the over flow and breathers. Do something similar with fuel cans, fill them to 3/4ish, not completely full. Make sure the pour spouts and breather vents have good caps.
Carabiner clip ends on your tie downs instead of the open hook style are better. I’m not a fan of cranking on straps until they sound like guitar strings. That adds a lot of tension to D-rings in the trailer. The carabiner style keeps the tie downs from coming off the D rings if something starts moving around during travel(coolers, grills, gear bags, etc)
Check with Ford and/or your manual. Most towing is generally recommended to have your overdrive turned off. The extra weight combined with the way overdrive works adds significant strain to the transmission. It’s not usually an immediate problem but it adds up over time and you’ll end up with expensive problems.
Congrats on the new toy. They are fun.
The Shop
Check out Andersen. Easy to set up and lighter weight.
As other folks are indicating..,
Tongue Weight/Weight Distribution are the important factors and having tandem axles sure helps, too!
Good luck!
Thanks everyone! I’m going with a WDH just now need to figure out which one.
I appreciate everyone responding.
Get the correct weight distributing hitch . Extremely important to set it up correctly. I would get a 1 ton dually . That engine & truck is Not enough. You never want the trailer pushing the truck around. I,ve seen some crazy wrecks with huge camer trailers pulled by 1 ton duallys even. A up hill left into a down hill rt . The rig never made it to the rt curve. It was upside down the whole family was injured Bad. Even this semi truck she,s old real hvy loads the trailer constantly pushes the truck left& rt. It has a rare manual 10 dp . From a stop every up shift she twist the frame big time.
BoltItOn racks are also the best thing invented for toy haulers. I’ve had two.
Man that is sweet!
My plan was to use E track and use turn buckles from the foot pegs to the floor with the bikes on their stands. But I may need to rethink it.
🤔 Joshougal?!
Best Location….EVER. 💪🏻😂
It’s really nice not having anything permanently attached when using it as living space. Takes about 2 seconds to install/remove once you have it setup how you want it.
You bet!
I use and equalizer e4 to tow my 6500lb dry weight, 770lb tongue weight dry camper with my 1500. It’s incredibly well built. Sounds like you’re committed to the wdh don’t let anyone tell you just get air bags. Not the same thing
Keep that thing out of the taller gears and let it rev. Im about to replace my 2nd tourque converter in my 16 F150. Sport mode holds the gears longer for me which works better than tow haul.
Check out airline/L track instead of E track. Much nicer looking.
Yeah my old g20 with a 350 could get a trailer to 65 easy. But the trans had too big of a gap between 3rd & 4th. 4th was too high the trans was down shifting too much. So I ran it in 3rd the rpm’s r pretty high then. Tracks should hv a trl bunk house like this 1 at the yard I,m at.
Dually? For 5K load? smh
Pit Row
I second this. Also doesn't bind on sharp turns and anti-sway.
Yes always hv more truck than trailer. I,ve seen a 1 ton single tire pulling a camper trailer on the circle- Indy Loop. In 3 lanes the rear end was going air born left & rt . Probably had the wt distribution wrong. A lot of windy days a semi can’t get up to 72 mph . Most camper trailers struggle to go 60. I pulled a hvy custom built 28 ft with a souped up 350 torque chip, etc 5/8 ton. It ruined the truck on a short run. Semi trucks now r much cheaper than a pu.
Sat I saw Ohio state police pull ovr a new pu pulling a 16 ft trl. His trl was whipping back& forth. The front of the trl was alot lower than the rear. A ridiculous amount lower.
I've preferred the trunnion style with the built in friction (sway control). Equalizer and Fastway e2 square bar hitches are my recommendations.
You wouldnt wanna be around me and my homies at the sale barn or hayfield moving round bales. 😆
Remember Bro I was driving in the 70,s on a Wi. Farm. We ovr loaded the 48 international big time. Break the frame, springs get the welder out. Lol. We pulled a double frame R model Mack in 1/2 off rd pulling the worlds strongest hhg rig. We broke dozens of booms off cranes, track hoes . I Love breaking big Iron. Gotta go loaded.
I use manual mode…especially on grades when I want to manage trans and engine temps.
Do you know the payload capicity of your Expedition? I doubt you will be within that number when you include the hitch weight, people, and all your crap inside the car.
Does your expedition have a trans fluid temp display? If not, you should get one unless you are only towing short distances. Light vehicles like that with a brick behind them like a toy hauler will roast trans fluid when the torque converter does not lock up like during normal driving. This causes the fluid to be the clutch between the engine and gear side instead of the locked converter.
Keeping your trailer level while towing and equal pressure on front and rear axles is important. A WDH will transfer some amount of weight from your vehicle rear axle to the trailer axles and your front axle, hopefully leveling the tow vehicle allowing it to handle better.
The guy who said to buy a 1 ton dually must be on the facebook towing police team. They love saying that. If you have already bought the trailer, test it out with your current vehicle and then decide what to do from there. I tow an 8k travel trailer with a 2500 and it's an easy tow because the trailer is way below the capacities of the truck.
For that trailer, dont over think it. You do not need a $1000 hitch system to pull it comfortably. Look on marketplace or you can get the ones on amazon for a couple hundo. I currently pull a keystone outback 240 with my 2020 f150 3.5 max tow 6.5' bed truck and absolutely love it. Its like a mini diesel while towing. Its actually rated to tow as much as my 15 6.2 f250 gas truck lol.
I pull mine around town or under 55 withno WDH, but if im hitting the highway i run it just for better stability at speed. I even used it when i pulled my trailer to Florida from Ohio with my dads 22 f350 6.7.. That truck made it feel like a 6x12 box trailer lol..
Lots of good info in here: https://www.ford.ca/support/category/service-and-maintenance/towing-gui…
Only goes back to 2019 now but that's close enough for an Expy (you're looking for page 32). The only other advice I'd have would be to actually scale both the truck and trailer- the sticker on my trailer alleges the thing weighs a tick under 7500lbs, empty it really weighed in at around 9K!
For short/easy hauls…I’ve used my Bronco. 🤣 (Rated at 3500 for std Broncos/4500 for Bronco Raptors)
I was driving on the farm in the 70s too. Im an old fucker also. And if I told you some of the sketchy shit we were doing hauling alfalfa (from Artesia, NM) youd cringe. LOL
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