RC's take on Sexton

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Sexton was pretty transparent about it and said the money was absolutely part of his decision. He talks a lot about “feel” of the motorcycle so...

Sexton was pretty transparent about it and said the money was absolutely part of his decision. He talks a lot about “feel” of the motorcycle so it’s a bit contradictory he didn’t pick the bike that presumably felt better. I don’t blame him tbh. These careers don’t last long and can end in an instant. Get that bag Chase! 

The star yamaha is undoubtedly a better bike currently, but star doesn't have to power/authority to make changes to the bike in the same way that...

The star yamaha is undoubtedly a better bike currently, but star doesn't have to power/authority to make changes to the bike in the same way that KTM does.  Thats one of the benefits of going with a "works" team as opposed to Star which doesn't have/make works parts on their bike, if they want to make changes they have to work with other companies.  I think If KTM gives Chase what he wants it will end up being better than going to star.

You mean the same KTM that is notorious for being so rigid about the bike that they alienated a 2 time SX champ and let him walk and from all accounts is run by two egomaniacs with iron fists 

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3/29/2024 12:38am Edited Date/Time 3/29/2024 12:39am

At first I read it as legomaniacs 😁

Then I thought legomaniacs with iron fists? This world is definitely going to hell in a hand basket 

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Why do any of use think we deserve, or are owed, all this information about who tested what, what did they think, why did they sign...

Why do any of use think we deserve, or are owed, all this information about who tested what, what did they think, why did they sign with A and not B?

Because we are the fans and without us they won’t be getting paid. Other sports are open and transparent 

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At first I read it as legomaniacs 😁

Then I thought legomaniacs with iron fists? This world is definitely going to hell in a hand basket 

Definitely an embellishment but the point still stands Laughing

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At first I read it as legomaniacs 😁

Then I thought legomaniacs with iron fists? This world is definitely going to hell in a hand basket 

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He's within striking distance. If the top two in points get hurt again, he's a shoe in for the championship.

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Why do any of use think we deserve, or are owed, all this information about who tested what, what did they think, why did they sign...

Why do any of use think we deserve, or are owed, all this information about who tested what, what did they think, why did they sign with A and not B?

From my personal point of view, If a person/brand gives me something of interest, then I buy more of that product/s that is associated with them.

The behind the scenes out of season testing thing is super interesting, for me at least. 

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3/29/2024 6:08am Edited Date/Time 3/29/2024 6:09am
Sexton was pretty transparent about it and said the money was absolutely part of his decision. He talks a lot about “feel” of the motorcycle so...

Sexton was pretty transparent about it and said the money was absolutely part of his decision. He talks a lot about “feel” of the motorcycle so it’s a bit contradictory he didn’t pick the bike that presumably felt better. I don’t blame him tbh. These careers don’t last long and can end in an instant. Get that bag Chase! 

The star yamaha is undoubtedly a better bike currently, but star doesn't have to power/authority to make changes to the bike in the same way that...

The star yamaha is undoubtedly a better bike currently, but star doesn't have to power/authority to make changes to the bike in the same way that KTM does.  Thats one of the benefits of going with a "works" team as opposed to Star which doesn't have/make works parts on their bike, if they want to make changes they have to work with other companies.  I think If KTM gives Chase what he wants it will end up being better than going to star.

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You mean the same KTM that is notorious for being so rigid about the bike that they alienated a 2 time SX champ and let him...

You mean the same KTM that is notorious for being so rigid about the bike that they alienated a 2 time SX champ and let him walk and from all accounts is run by two egomaniacs with iron fists 

Not that KTM. Hes talking about the rigid KTM that put KYBs on Chases bike for the world to see.

Webb is a little douche, that's probably why they wouldn't give him shit lol

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Chase went to KTM for the money hands down. Between Redbull and ktm they dropped a good amount on him. Wish these “test” would become public...

Chase went to KTM for the money hands down. Between Redbull and ktm they dropped a good amount on him. Wish these “test” would become public knowledge. Like chase should own it yea i rode the yamaha and liked xyz about it. But instead everyone is so hush hush another reason why this sport will not grow. Imagine all the private test that were had at Ricky,James or chads facilities back in the day.

Reed had said he tested the ‘04 Suzuki while wearing Tortelli’s gear but ended up signing with Yamaha anyways in ‘05. Part of the deal with Yamaha signing him in ‘05 was that he could wear different color gear other then blue. 

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Sexton was pretty transparent about it and said the money was absolutely part of his decision. He talks a lot about “feel” of the motorcycle so...

Sexton was pretty transparent about it and said the money was absolutely part of his decision. He talks a lot about “feel” of the motorcycle so it’s a bit contradictory he didn’t pick the bike that presumably felt better. I don’t blame him tbh. These careers don’t last long and can end in an instant. Get that bag Chase! 

The star yamaha is undoubtedly a better bike currently, but star doesn't have to power/authority to make changes to the bike in the same way that...

The star yamaha is undoubtedly a better bike currently, but star doesn't have to power/authority to make changes to the bike in the same way that KTM does.  Thats one of the benefits of going with a "works" team as opposed to Star which doesn't have/make works parts on their bike, if they want to make changes they have to work with other companies.  I think If KTM gives Chase what he wants it will end up being better than going to star.

You have it backwards. The red tape with KTM is more than Stsr who is notorious for giving the riders anything they need, last year outdoors Deegen was on spring forks instead of PSF1. Stock clamps, neken, Xtrig, they are all over the place making sure riders are happy. 

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Chase went to KTM for the money hands down. Between Redbull and ktm they dropped a good amount on him. Wish these “test” would become public...

Chase went to KTM for the money hands down. Between Redbull and ktm they dropped a good amount on him. Wish these “test” would become public knowledge. Like chase should own it yea i rode the yamaha and liked xyz about it. But instead everyone is so hush hush another reason why this sport will not grow. Imagine all the private test that were had at Ricky,James or chads facilities back in the day.

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Reed had said he tested the ‘04 Suzuki while wearing Tortelli’s gear but ended up signing with Yamaha anyways in ‘05. Part of the deal with...

Reed had said he tested the ‘04 Suzuki while wearing Tortelli’s gear but ended up signing with Yamaha anyways in ‘05. Part of the deal with Yamaha signing him in ‘05 was that he could wear different color gear other then blue. 

Chad wanted to ride for Suzuki in 05 because the engine was better and the handling since Yamaha switched from steal to aluminum. But they signed Ricky. 

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Sexton left Honda for the same reason RC left Kawasaki for Honda. He wanted to gain an advantage over his competition. If Sexton stayed at Honda...

Sexton left Honda for the same reason RC left Kawasaki for Honda. He wanted to gain an advantage over his competition. If Sexton stayed at Honda with Jett Honda would put the most effort into the rider in the points situation. The only way to possibly gain an advantage was to go to another team. 

kxking wrote:

Or ride faster and prove you are the number 1 guy.

You can not gain an advantage on the bike when you are on the same team. 

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Money wrote:
Chase went to KTM for the money hands down. Between Redbull and ktm they dropped a good amount on him. Wish these “test” would become public...

Chase went to KTM for the money hands down. Between Redbull and ktm they dropped a good amount on him. Wish these “test” would become public knowledge. Like chase should own it yea i rode the yamaha and liked xyz about it. But instead everyone is so hush hush another reason why this sport will not grow. Imagine all the private test that were had at Ricky,James or chads facilities back in the day.

ohh_454 wrote:
Reed had said he tested the ‘04 Suzuki while wearing Tortelli’s gear but ended up signing with Yamaha anyways in ‘05. Part of the deal with...

Reed had said he tested the ‘04 Suzuki while wearing Tortelli’s gear but ended up signing with Yamaha anyways in ‘05. Part of the deal with Yamaha signing him in ‘05 was that he could wear different color gear other then blue. 

Zycki11 wrote:
Chad wanted to ride for Suzuki in 05 because the engine was better and the handling since Yamaha switched from steal to aluminum. But they signed...

Chad wanted to ride for Suzuki in 05 because the engine was better and the handling since Yamaha switched from steal to aluminum. But they signed Ricky. 

This is the type of info that is neat. Heard of Wilson testing the KTM as the sun was coming up before he chose that Jeff ward  kawi team years ago. And yamaha going to Colorado to test with Tomac back on 2014 or 15 with the factory team before cooper went to them 

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From my personal point of view, If a person/brand gives me something of interest, then I buy more of that product/s that is associated with them...

From my personal point of view, If a person/brand gives me something of interest, then I buy more of that product/s that is associated with them.

The behind the scenes out of season testing thing is super interesting, for me at least. 

Interesting. Definitely a different viewpoint than I have. One is I mostly try to stay out of other people's business. Other sports such a the NFL and NBA have unions, so all players know what others are making to keep pushing the pay scale upward. Those sports also have vastly different economic models. Motocross/Supercross can't do that because eventually not enough of us could afford the bikes. 

However, it is fascinating that we are all the same but also so different 🙂

My question wasn't to try to find right or wrong, and I should have stated that, just to find out some ideas of why it seems to matter so much to some. 

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Chase went to KTM for the money hands down. Between Redbull and ktm they dropped a good amount on him. Wish these “test” would become public...

Chase went to KTM for the money hands down. Between Redbull and ktm they dropped a good amount on him. Wish these “test” would become public knowledge. Like chase should own it yea i rode the yamaha and liked xyz about it. But instead everyone is so hush hush another reason why this sport will not grow. Imagine all the private test that were had at Ricky,James or chads facilities back in the day.

Can you elaborate on why you think this is something that keeps the sport from growing?

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Money wrote:
Chase went to KTM for the money hands down. Between Redbull and ktm they dropped a good amount on him. Wish these “test” would become public...

Chase went to KTM for the money hands down. Between Redbull and ktm they dropped a good amount on him. Wish these “test” would become public knowledge. Like chase should own it yea i rode the yamaha and liked xyz about it. But instead everyone is so hush hush another reason why this sport will not grow. Imagine all the private test that were had at Ricky,James or chads facilities back in the day.

Can you elaborate on why you think this is something that keeps the sport from growing?

Other main stream sports its made public when free agents go on visits to other teams or the teams have them in for a work out. Also contracts are know and so on. Mx none of this is know and everyone acts dumb when they get called out on it which is silly. These guys should say yea i went to this team listened to what they had to say and rode there bike blah blah even after they sign there new deal. Everyone knows guys ride other teams bikes before signing so what’s the big deal. 

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From my personal point of view, If a person/brand gives me something of interest, then I buy more of that product/s that is associated with them...

From my personal point of view, If a person/brand gives me something of interest, then I buy more of that product/s that is associated with them.

The behind the scenes out of season testing thing is super interesting, for me at least. 

Interesting. Definitely a different viewpoint than I have. One is I mostly try to stay out of other people's business. Other sports such a the NFL...

Interesting. Definitely a different viewpoint than I have. One is I mostly try to stay out of other people's business. Other sports such a the NFL and NBA have unions, so all players know what others are making to keep pushing the pay scale upward. Those sports also have vastly different economic models. Motocross/Supercross can't do that because eventually not enough of us could afford the bikes. 

However, it is fascinating that we are all the same but also so different 🙂

My question wasn't to try to find right or wrong, and I should have stated that, just to find out some ideas of why it seems to matter so much to some. 

There’s a viewpoint that the riders salary/bonuses and other winnings are the direct result of the spectator and fan support through product and ticket sales.

I think this has some validity to it - as a professional athlete your livelihood is tied to your supporter base and popularity; it’s not unreasonable that there’s an expectation to reciprocate with keeping fans up to date with relevant news and information.

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Money wrote:
Other main stream sports its made public when free agents go on visits to other teams or the teams have them in for a work out...

Other main stream sports its made public when free agents go on visits to other teams or the teams have them in for a work out. Also contracts are know and so on. Mx none of this is know and everyone acts dumb when they get called out on it which is silly. These guys should say yea i went to this team listened to what they had to say and rode there bike blah blah even after they sign there new deal. Everyone knows guys ride other teams bikes before signing so what’s the big deal. 

But how does that grow the sport?

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ando wrote:
There’s a viewpoint that the riders salary/bonuses and other winnings are the direct result of the spectator and fan support through product and ticket sales. I...

There’s a viewpoint that the riders salary/bonuses and other winnings are the direct result of the spectator and fan support through product and ticket sales.

I think this has some validity to it - as a professional athlete your livelihood is tied to your supporter base and popularity; it’s not unreasonable that there’s an expectation to reciprocate with keeping fans up to date with relevant news and information.

To me, obviously my observation only, but the purpose of Supercross is to make money for Feld. The manufacturers and sponsors use it for advertising of course, but I'd be surprised if ticket sales has much to do with rider bonuses. Salaries maybe a little, but not bonuses. I might have missed some new payout that Feld has though. 

I think Supercross has a few large obstacles that keep it from growing:

1) No regional/geographical tie in like a city or state or college affiliated team

2) as I believe someone pointed out earlier, a lack of relatability for the viewers

3) very limited advertising space for televised events on the bikes and riders

How can those be improved?

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Like some others have said on this thread, I don't understand the over-the-top criticism Chase gets at all. He seems like the perfect athlete to root for - humble, honest, consistent demeanor, a clean racer, and has significantly improved over the course of his professional career. Yes, he hasn't been able to beat Jett yet, but nobody really has. All things considered, he's had a very solid season and it could be estimated that he'd probably be 2nd in points and only about 10-15 down to Jett if he didn't have the hand issue for a few weeks.

As for the Yamaha... I agree with what DV has said - I don't think that bike has been working for Star so far. People might say "Tomac was about to win the SX title last year before hurting his Achilles", but if you actually followed each race, he didn't have nearly the same week-to-week consistent speed as he did on the previous generation YZ in 2022. Save the first few rounds of the 2022 season, he had the whole field covered in speed pretty much every weekend until he had that little knee injury and he took it easy at the very end. In '23, he had quite a few off weeks and couldn't match Chase's speed most of the time. Not to mention Ferrandis' frustrations with that bike as well.

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Chase was so fed up with his Honda last year any bike he tested he was going to like just because it was different. He might...

Chase was so fed up with his Honda last year any bike he tested he was going to like just because it was different. He might just not be great at setting the bike up. Dazzy took a dog at him saying the 450 needed a ton of development for Jett and Hunter because it was set up so poorly before. 
 

obviously probably some gamesmanship at play, but it could be more about sextons ability to set up a bike then anything. 

Does the bike look good under Jett and Hunta?

How many times have they lost the front end?

Think Chase trusted the front too much and put too much load on the front tyre.

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We are not even owed that. It's nice when it happens, but it's not incumbent on them to do so.  The way some go about it...

We are not even owed that. It's nice when it happens, but it's not incumbent on them to do so. 

The way some go about it on here, you'd think they should be watching soap operas and TMZ instead. 

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Of course journalist owe people the truth and not lie. If caught lying it removes their credibility. If people can not trust their reports nobody will...

Of course journalist owe people the truth and not lie. If caught lying it removes their credibility. If people can not trust their reports nobody will listen.

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If you call yourself a journalist , truth is part of the job description . End of story . If you call yourself anything other than...

If you call yourself a journalist , truth is part of the job description . End of story . If you call yourself anything other than a journalist , then the bullshit is fine . Ya I’m looking at you Mathis . 

What are we implying Matthes or the other journalists lied about here?

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Spoonguy wrote:
Of course journalist owe people the truth and not lie. If caught lying it removes their credibility. If people can not trust their reports nobody will...

Of course journalist owe people the truth and not lie. If caught lying it removes their credibility. If people can not trust their reports nobody will listen.

eddie wrote:
If you call yourself a journalist , truth is part of the job description . End of story . If you call yourself anything other than...

If you call yourself a journalist , truth is part of the job description . End of story . If you call yourself anything other than a journalist , then the bullshit is fine . Ya I’m looking at you Mathis . 

What are we implying Matthes or the other journalists lied about here?

Matthes has lied about a lot recently. 

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soggy wrote:
Chase was so fed up with his Honda last year any bike he tested he was going to like just because it was different. He might...

Chase was so fed up with his Honda last year any bike he tested he was going to like just because it was different. He might just not be great at setting the bike up. Dazzy took a dog at him saying the 450 needed a ton of development for Jett and Hunter because it was set up so poorly before. 
 

obviously probably some gamesmanship at play, but it could be more about sextons ability to set up a bike then anything. 

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Does the bike look good under Jett and Hunta? How many times have they lost the front end? Think Chase trusted the front too much and...

Does the bike look good under Jett and Hunta?

How many times have they lost the front end?

Think Chase trusted the front too much and put too much load on the front tyre.

Hunter washed the front harrrrrrrd at Daytona and separated his shoulder a lil bit and had to miss the next week. Jett is just special he’d probably be in the same spot on a TM.

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For every wise thing RC says, he spouts 3 dumb ass things. 

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubtDry

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eddie wrote:
If you call yourself a journalist , truth is part of the job description . End of story . If you call yourself anything other than...

If you call yourself a journalist , truth is part of the job description . End of story . If you call yourself anything other than a journalist , then the bullshit is fine . Ya I’m looking at you Mathis . 

What are we implying Matthes or the other journalists lied about here?

joshd wrote:

Matthes has lied about a lot recently. 

Well list them and tell us what the facts are

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Maybe sexton is just someone who is terrible at setting the bike up so he gets lost and then just blames the bike when he should look in the mirror at himself since hes the one setting it up?

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Maybe sexton is just someone who is terrible at setting the bike up so he gets lost and then just blames the bike when he should...

Maybe sexton is just someone who is terrible at setting the bike up so he gets lost and then just blames the bike when he should look in the mirror at himself since hes the one setting it up?

At some point, if you've been on two brands, and have front end issues with both, its on the rider.

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Maybe sexton is just someone who is terrible at setting the bike up so he gets lost and then just blames the bike when he should...

Maybe sexton is just someone who is terrible at setting the bike up so he gets lost and then just blames the bike when he should look in the mirror at himself since hes the one setting it up?

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At some point, if you've been on two brands, and have front end issues with both, its on the rider.

Has he had front end issues this year?

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eddie wrote:
If you call yourself a journalist , truth is part of the job description . End of story . If you call yourself anything other than...

If you call yourself a journalist , truth is part of the job description . End of story . If you call yourself anything other than a journalist , then the bullshit is fine . Ya I’m looking at you Mathis . 

What are we implying Matthes or the other journalists lied about here?

joshd wrote:

Matthes has lied about a lot recently. 

I am still not clear on what you are saying. What sort of stuff? Does it involve the effectiveness of a jacket on being taken seriously?

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