RC's take on Sexton

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Other main stream sports its made public when free agents go on visits to other teams or the teams have them in for a work out...

Other main stream sports its made public when free agents go on visits to other teams or the teams have them in for a work out. Also contracts are know and so on. Mx none of this is know and everyone acts dumb when they get called out on it which is silly. These guys should say yea i went to this team listened to what they had to say and rode there bike blah blah even after they sign there new deal. Everyone knows guys ride other teams bikes before signing so what’s the big deal. 

But how does that grow the sport?

Obviously it generates interest among some people. Maybe not you, maybe you think that it is dumb, but it does generate interest and add validity. If the "average viewer" knew the multi year, high dollar contracts some riders command it would add a scope of professionalism for some. Again, maybe not you, maybe you don't understand, but it would for some people obviously.

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Like some others have said on this thread, I don't understand the over-the-top criticism Chase gets at all. He seems like the perfect athlete to root...

Like some others have said on this thread, I don't understand the over-the-top criticism Chase gets at all. He seems like the perfect athlete to root for - humble, honest, consistent demeanor, a clean racer, and has significantly improved over the course of his professional career. Yes, he hasn't been able to beat Jett yet, but nobody really has. All things considered, he's had a very solid season and it could be estimated that he'd probably be 2nd in points and only about 10-15 down to Jett if he didn't have the hand issue for a few weeks.

As for the Yamaha... I agree with what DV has said - I don't think that bike has been working for Star so far. People might say "Tomac was about to win the SX title last year before hurting his Achilles", but if you actually followed each race, he didn't have nearly the same week-to-week consistent speed as he did on the previous generation YZ in 2022. Save the first few rounds of the 2022 season, he had the whole field covered in speed pretty much every weekend until he had that little knee injury and he took it easy at the very end. In '23, he had quite a few off weeks and couldn't match Chase's speed most of the time. Not to mention Ferrandis' frustrations with that bike as well.

Agree on Chase.  I am a huge fan for the reasons you state and he is over criticized for some reason.  I think it is largely because people see an era of semi-boring dominance coming and he is the best option to stop it.  Others are either too old and have few races left, or unproven.  Chase has the potential if he can reach it.  Don’t agree on the Jett part.  Don’t get me wrong….I pick him first pretty much every week, but he has not won more 450SX races then he has won.  People say mud, starts, whatever.  It’s all part of racing so those that say that need to take a midol and enjoy the racing.  So when you say nobody really has beat Jett.  That’s wrong….but he is the easy favorite.  As for the Yamaha.  You forget to mention Webb…who is kicking ass minus the incredibly good freak on the Honda.  That is a rider that most, including me, said was washed up.  Pretty good bike for him.  Personally I switched from a Yamaha to a Husky and I like the Husky much more…and I go at least 1/2 the speed of the pros….lol

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Has he had front end issues this year?

I thought he was chasing front end feel, yes.  If wrong ill stfu.

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Chase was so fed up with his Honda last year any bike he tested he was going to like just because it was different. He might...

Chase was so fed up with his Honda last year any bike he tested he was going to like just because it was different. He might just not be great at setting the bike up. Dazzy took a dog at him saying the 450 needed a ton of development for Jett and Hunter because it was set up so poorly before. 
 

obviously probably some gamesmanship at play, but it could be more about sextons ability to set up a bike then anything. 

Isn’t Kenny known for being a pretty good tester and struggled to get the Honda setup the year before too?

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soggy wrote:
Chase was so fed up with his Honda last year any bike he tested he was going to like just because it was different. He might...

Chase was so fed up with his Honda last year any bike he tested he was going to like just because it was different. He might just not be great at setting the bike up. Dazzy took a dog at him saying the 450 needed a ton of development for Jett and Hunter because it was set up so poorly before. 
 

obviously probably some gamesmanship at play, but it could be more about sextons ability to set up a bike then anything. 

Isn’t Kenny known for being a pretty good tester and struggled to get the Honda setup the year before too?

Wouldn’t say kenny is great. He’s another that tends to blame the bike a lot. He left ktm bc of the bike, was a headache at HRC bc he blamed the bike. Shoot most of these teams hes flown in his suspension guy from Germany to help bc hes such a head case 

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3/30/2024 10:10am Edited Date/Time 3/30/2024 10:15am
soggy wrote:
Chase was so fed up with his Honda last year any bike he tested he was going to like just because it was different. He might...

Chase was so fed up with his Honda last year any bike he tested he was going to like just because it was different. He might just not be great at setting the bike up. Dazzy took a dog at him saying the 450 needed a ton of development for Jett and Hunter because it was set up so poorly before. 
 

obviously probably some gamesmanship at play, but it could be more about sextons ability to set up a bike then anything. 

Isn’t Kenny known for being a pretty good tester and struggled to get the Honda setup the year before too?

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Wouldn’t say kenny is great. He’s another that tends to blame the bike a lot. He left ktm bc of the bike, was a headache at...

Wouldn’t say kenny is great. He’s another that tends to blame the bike a lot. He left ktm bc of the bike, was a headache at HRC bc he blamed the bike. Shoot most of these teams hes flown in his suspension guy from Germany to help bc hes such a head case 

Well….he’s a top 5 Supercross rider in the world and enjoying it more than ever so…..that’s pretty great.  Could he have benefited from a really good sports psychologist (most are not very good) early in his career.  Hell yes…but he is where he is now…and it is pretty great.  Most riders that have been champions, and then struggle to be leading in the current point standings, blame the bike to a good degree.  Some just hide it while others are open about it.  Some speak English as a second language and it comes across differently than really intended.  Even Eli has talked about bike struggles.  Show me a rider that hasn’t complained some and I’ll show you a rider that never won a championship.  

3/30/2024 10:17am Edited Date/Time 3/30/2024 10:20am
soggy wrote:
Chase was so fed up with his Honda last year any bike he tested he was going to like just because it was different. He might...

Chase was so fed up with his Honda last year any bike he tested he was going to like just because it was different. He might just not be great at setting the bike up. Dazzy took a dog at him saying the 450 needed a ton of development for Jett and Hunter because it was set up so poorly before. 
 

obviously probably some gamesmanship at play, but it could be more about sextons ability to set up a bike then anything. 

Isn’t Kenny known for being a pretty good tester and struggled to get the Honda setup the year before too?

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Wouldn’t say kenny is great. He’s another that tends to blame the bike a lot. He left ktm bc of the bike, was a headache at...

Wouldn’t say kenny is great. He’s another that tends to blame the bike a lot. He left ktm bc of the bike, was a headache at HRC bc he blamed the bike. Shoot most of these teams hes flown in his suspension guy from Germany to help bc hes such a head case 

I forgot they keep having to fly in the special suspension guy from Germany. Circling back, I guess my point was it was not as obvious to get the bike setup as the Lawerence camp seemed to imply since it wasn’t just Chase struggling. 

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Obviously it generates interest among some people. Maybe not you, maybe you think that it is dumb, but it does generate interest and add validity. If...

Obviously it generates interest among some people. Maybe not you, maybe you think that it is dumb, but it does generate interest and add validity. If the "average viewer" knew the multi year, high dollar contracts some riders command it would add a scope of professionalism for some. Again, maybe not you, maybe you don't understand, but it would for some people obviously.

How many people watch the NFL, NBA, or other major league sports due to the salaries those participants receive? 

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Spoonguy wrote:
Obviously it generates interest among some people. Maybe not you, maybe you think that it is dumb, but it does generate interest and add validity. If...

Obviously it generates interest among some people. Maybe not you, maybe you think that it is dumb, but it does generate interest and add validity. If the "average viewer" knew the multi year, high dollar contracts some riders command it would add a scope of professionalism for some. Again, maybe not you, maybe you don't understand, but it would for some people obviously.

How many people watch the NFL, NBA, or other major league sports due to the salaries those participants receive? 

Let’s see.  How many athlete agents are there??  Oh…and wives….

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Ian harrison said they just couldn't get ken comfortable, even though he won the outdoor crown in 14', then at rch and hrc it was a similar thing.

 

Anyone think that maybe these guys chase a feeling they had a few times, when the track was just how they like it,  perfect flow, no arm pump exc?  Thinking they can get that all the time?

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Factory Bikes, Factory Mechanics, Factory Rider......they should be able to figure it out before Round 11.

The 2 times Sexton pulled over and let Jett by were not good looks.  Hopefully something was not right, made the exec decision to let the faster rider by.  However, where is the Fight?  Not seeing Sexton battle with other riders, and make passes, usually settling.

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Spoonguy wrote:
Obviously it generates interest among some people. Maybe not you, maybe you think that it is dumb, but it does generate interest and add validity. If...

Obviously it generates interest among some people. Maybe not you, maybe you think that it is dumb, but it does generate interest and add validity. If the "average viewer" knew the multi year, high dollar contracts some riders command it would add a scope of professionalism for some. Again, maybe not you, maybe you don't understand, but it would for some people obviously.

How many people watch the NFL, NBA, or other major league sports due to the salaries those participants receive? 

Do you want exact numbers or percentages?

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Chase has also said multiple times during interviews that he wayyyyyy underestimated how difficult the steel frame would be for him to figure out. 

why is it so different? just curious to hear anyone's take on what it might have been like going from the CR to the KTM, like what are the differing attributes of the steel frame that could pose a problem?

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Spoonguy wrote:
Obviously it generates interest among some people. Maybe not you, maybe you think that it is dumb, but it does generate interest and add validity. If...

Obviously it generates interest among some people. Maybe not you, maybe you think that it is dumb, but it does generate interest and add validity. If the "average viewer" knew the multi year, high dollar contracts some riders command it would add a scope of professionalism for some. Again, maybe not you, maybe you don't understand, but it would for some people obviously.

How many people watch the NFL, NBA, or other major league sports due to the salaries those participants receive? 

I googled that question. There are immeasurable numbers of articles by immeasurable media sources discussing pro athletes salaries. Do people watch pro sports because of the salaries? Probably not. But do salaries generate interest? Not to immeasurable, but it certainly must to many, otherwise media outlets would not cover the topic so thoroughly.

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Ian harrison said they just couldn't get ken comfortable, even though he won the outdoor crown in 14', then at rch and hrc it was a...

Ian harrison said they just couldn't get ken comfortable, even though he won the outdoor crown in 14', then at rch and hrc it was a similar thing.

 

Anyone think that maybe these guys chase a feeling they had a few times, when the track was just how they like it,  perfect flow, no arm pump exc?  Thinking they can get that all the time?

He must have been pretty comfortable to win the championship in 2014 lol. These guys are looking for something perfect guess what thats not possible on a dirt bike track. The tracks and lines are always changing and the rider has to adapt knowing the bikes not going to be perfect. This is not moto go or f1 where the tracks stay the same and just rubber up or very in temp. These top riders need to get there bike 75% and they need to make up for the rest 

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Spoonguy wrote:

Do you want exact numbers or percentages?

Either, or both. Whichever you have 🙂

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I googled that question. There are immeasurable numbers of articles by immeasurable media sources discussing pro athletes salaries. Do people watch pro sports because of the...

I googled that question. There are immeasurable numbers of articles by immeasurable media sources discussing pro athletes salaries. Do people watch pro sports because of the salaries? Probably not. But do salaries generate interest? Not to immeasurable, but it certainly must to many, otherwise media outlets would not cover the topic so thoroughly.

I agree it might generate some interest, but does it sell tickets? As you mentioned, probably not. Do you think fewer people would watch if they didn't release the salary info? Probably not. 

Anyway, I'll let this thread get back on topic 🙂

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Sexton was pretty transparent about it and said the money was absolutely part of his decision. He talks a lot about “feel” of the motorcycle so...

Sexton was pretty transparent about it and said the money was absolutely part of his decision. He talks a lot about “feel” of the motorcycle so it’s a bit contradictory he didn’t pick the bike that presumably felt better. I don’t blame him tbh. These careers don’t last long and can end in an instant. Get that bag Chase! 

The star yamaha is undoubtedly a better bike currently, but star doesn't have to power/authority to make changes to the bike in the same way that...

The star yamaha is undoubtedly a better bike currently, but star doesn't have to power/authority to make changes to the bike in the same way that KTM does.  Thats one of the benefits of going with a "works" team as opposed to Star which doesn't have/make works parts on their bike, if they want to make changes they have to work with other companies.  I think If KTM gives Chase what he wants it will end up being better than going to star.

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You have it backwards. The red tape with KTM is more than Stsr who is notorious for giving the riders anything they need, last year outdoors...

You have it backwards. The red tape with KTM is more than Stsr who is notorious for giving the riders anything they need, last year outdoors Deegen was on spring forks instead of PSF1. Stock clamps, neken, Xtrig, they are all over the place making sure riders are happy. 

Star doesn’t have the ability to quickly design components exactly to what the rider wants like KTM is.  Star is at the mercy of the vendors and have to use the parts they already produce.  And if they will make custom parts for Star it’ll take a lot longer to design/test/manufacture works components.

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