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Austria was rumored to have given KTM a ton of money back around 2010. An open checkbook of sorts.
I guess You are saying it is a bad thing to be compared to them. And I am pointing out the good similarities. Obviously they can be similar without being identical .
Tesla might have gotten over $2 billion in grants and such. But GM and Ford had to be bailed out to prevent them from going under. They make electric cars too right?
On a sidenote, I've gotten more orders for Varg Graphic kits than RMZ graphics this year. Not a ton of either really.
Stark may have made a great bike when it's on the track and running but beyond that I think the company has dropped the ball in several areas. I can't believe they didn't do the research into the dealership requirements that the USA would likely demand. That lack of foresight is like blind ambition as it's no secret that Tesla has been fighting the dealership battle for years. Now Stark is scrambling to stand up dealers and to stand up the corporate infrastructure to support dealerships (at least in the traditional sense) is no small task. I know of a major Stark dealership that has received zero training for their techs to date and maybe Stark intends to keep it that way. Rather the techs rely on the videos the company has online. How a company has a bike in testing for 2 years and has such a poorly designed kickstand is beyond me. More and more the "innovations" of the Varg are coming under fire. The phone's hit and miss updates and the charger/stand are two. Much of the hardware and software of the bike's Battery Management System is housed within the same case that contains the batteries. That means if a small component needs replacing or repair the entire battery case must be removed and disassembled to get to those components. There is a single CAN Bus port but no OBD port for pulling fault codes or diagnosing the system which is dang primitive for any EV in this day and age; what were they thinking? Again, the bike was in development for over 2 years and no one saw this as a concern? From what I can tell the bike is in it's infancy right now and has the potential to be much better. The Austrian, Japanese and all the rest of the established competition must be taking notes and enjoying watching Stark come to grips with what they've created. When the competition's engineers take a Varg apart they will be laughing at stuff with disbelief. Personally I think the competition has bikes in development that are in some aspects way ahead of the Varg and if and when the time comes to release them to the public they will be as good or better than the Varg. Anton should be counting his blessings that the Varg works so well when it's moving and he better keep the throttle turned WFO on the Gen 2 Varg if he wants to stay in this game.
5 months on my Varg. Zero issues. I beat the bag outta this thing and it’s been bulletproof. Gen 1 of anything like this will have growing pains w/ development. You’ve gone down the road of no return w/ what you said.
Until you own one, maybe don’t be so critical in your thinking.
Glad to hear it. I just received this to correct a "Software problem".
The Shop
Well played.
Sorry, I didn't mean to put out the low hanging fruit. Unlike your Varg mine has roughly 15 hours on it. I can't be sure because my hour data disappears with each app upgrade I install. And unlike most I use my Varg for woods and X/C riding with a bit of MX thrown in on the side.
Now you can take the old one apart and show the world what's inside!
I tend to cut Varg a little slack on the whole getting caught unprepared for US sales/distribution problems bit. Look at how many dirtbike/street bike brands DO sell and deliver direct to end users without going through a dealer from mostly Chinese backed companies, hell you can buy street legal bikes direct off Amazon these days. I dunno what Stark tripped up against that caused them to get in regulator cross hairs and have to switch modes but it's not a clear cut they HAD to know to do it this way from the start deal.
I would like to for sure but Stark needs it back and I don't want to get into a pissing contest with them over a high dollar battery. I can't wait for some Stark Geeks to get into the "systems" on this bike and start playing with it. Stark has been talking about subscriptions for up grades like traction control, power curve adjustment and such but I don't think much will come of it as the competition (if it ever materializes) will simply include that as standard equipment and make it a selling point to one up Stark.
Eddie Karlsson wins first swedish extreme race of the season on the Stark. Started with 80-90% on the battery and finished with 30% over 2h 20min race time for him.
Also interesting hearing him describing how he is using the left hand rear brake to control the power kinda like a clutch.
That’s how I ride mine as well.
Funny you can see the wind turbine blades at the end; very appropriate
Great race from Trevor Jones, finished top 15% (47 of 316 riders) in US sprint enduro round 4.
He's still leading the Pro E class
You don't have a clue if Stark is "broke" or not.....just another example of you saying shit like it's fact but you don't have a god damn clue.
You also don't have a god damn clue about business....the fact you think that a business is in trouble because they are taking on capital to operate just proves your ignorance.
Come with actual facts to back up the shit you say or shut the fuck up.
Still waiting for you to tell me when JMart ragdolled on the 450.....or is that just more complete bullshit that you made up? I honestly don't know, but you stated it like a fact so if it's a fact, prove it.
How much do you think those batteries are going to weigh?
Or is it a 'visuals' thing?
So you have no record at all of how many hours you have done?
I'd bet when he got the bike he put an hour meter on the spark...errr...ummm...
Nope, just a guesstimate.
I'll ask Stark and see if they track it.
Pit Row
Your stark tells you how many hours you have on it. It’s in the Stark app that displays everything for the bike. 🤦♂️
Legal in Viva Ohio MX Series as I point out here!
What do you mean by a "visuals thing"?
The generator I have to lug around in and out of my van every time I ride, with the battery bank I'll be able to just plug my charger right into the van and have another battery and a half ready to go. The batteries will just live in the back of my van, no need to take them in and out like I do with the generator currently.
Have you looked at how much battery storage you will need to fast charge it? My buddy has 2 run 2 gennies, one for the battery, and one for the tyre warmers , the big one is 3.5Kva and it uses more fuel that the bike would have.
I have had the bike since February.
After running an enduro and a dozen trail rides I'm pretty sure I have a lot more time/miles than this shows.
When I did the first app update I lost all the previous data.
I'm always amazed by how ecstatic you are at the performance level of the race bike that can't race, wether it can't start because it's not allowed or it can't finish because it's out of watts.
Love it.
You're mistaken, I'm not extactic, the racers who tried it certainly were. Pro riders saying it's so sick to ride and wheelies everywhere, they want to buy one after just a 15 min test ride, of course that would be propaganda if I had posted this vid... but that's all on you since you're the one who posted it!
The bike is racing in the US, UK, France, Austria, Italy, Sweden, Spain, Hungary... winning races in AX, MX, SM, enduro, hill climb, won the first pro championship it officially entered. Come to think of it, that doesn't look as bad as you make it
In a couple of months we'll see what they can do against the big boys in France SX tour. Would you like to bet against a podium?
I'm amazed at how much time You spend commenting on and thinking about something You dislike so much!
But thanks for helping make this thread easy to find. If not for all of the people that claim to dislike the Varg , and hate seeing threads about it, I might have to scroll down a bit before I find a Varg thread.
They're victims of their own negative energy. If only they could be positively charged.... Just accept that we're gayer than them!
The plan is to have 10kWh of battery stored in the van, with the right inverter that should be enough but we’ll see, it remains to be tested.
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