2025 KTM models

Thinking of getting a 350sxf. Alot of people complained about the 23 and 24 models. Was wondering what people who have a 2025 model think of it? Wondering if they fixed the issues

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7/6/2024 9:23am Edited Date/Time 7/6/2024 9:24am

No one really complained about the 23-24, lots of misinformation due to webb not really liking the new chassis so everyone vilified it. Most loved the new chassis once set up and broken in, KTMs have always needed about a 5-10 hour break in period for suspension and chassis. Just go to You tube and watch the videos from Keefer, Racer X, MXA and Swap moto on the 25… and they all have spoken highly of the updated chassis essentially saying it feels like a broken in 23-24. There are tons of threads on here about 350s if you haven’t owned one before and will give you all kinds of info. personally I don’t see myself ever owning 450 again… my 21 350 sxf was so good and will pick up a 25 real soon! 

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I just got a new Husky (pretty similar to KTM to put it one way) and it was brutally stiff at first. Still under 10 hours but it already feels like a different bike and I really like it so far

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I have a 23 350sxf and absolutely love it so I say definitely go the 350. Interested to hear any feedback comparing the new 25 to the 23/24 as I'm wondering if its worth upgrading. I've never had any of the complaints people talk about and felt comfortable on mine from the first day so not sure how much of an improvement the 25 will be.

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7/6/2024 5:47pm Edited Date/Time 7/6/2024 5:48pm

https://www.keeferinctesting.com/rmatvmc-keefer-tested-show-380-2024-kt…

Not a 350 review but he talks about the updated frame. He specifically says he doesn't love it like he does the 2022 frame but says the new 24.5 factory edition (production 2025) frame is "a step in the right direction" over the 23/24 frames.

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Thinking of getting a 350sxf. Alot of people complained about the 23 and 24 models. Was wondering what people who have a 2025 model think of...

Thinking of getting a 350sxf. Alot of people complained about the 23 and 24 models. Was wondering what people who have a 2025 model think of it? Wondering if they fixed the issues

Compared to my 23 KTM 450 my new 25 KTM 450 is better, I think this is a really good blend of comfort like the older frame with the precision of the new frame. At first, I told myself I wouldn't race the new bike till it had 10hrs but I was so happy with the bike with 3hrs I started racing it right away.   

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is the 23-25 engine much better than the 22?  

I am considering moving from a '17 exc to a 2nd hand 22 sx rather than paying the extra for the new chassis... unless the engine is significantly better?

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is the 23-25 engine much better than the 22?   I am considering moving from a '17 exc to a 2nd hand 22 sx rather than paying...

is the 23-25 engine much better than the 22?  

I am considering moving from a '17 exc to a 2nd hand 22 sx rather than paying the extra for the new chassis... unless the engine is significantly better?

Night and day

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Sold my 23 sxf with about 15-20 hours on it because I couldn't get rid of the harshness from the fork. Tried 3 different forks and a lot of different settings. Some of them was from ktms test guys.

 

Anyway got the 25 now. Tried the stock fork and conevalve air and conevalve spring. 

With stock fork it was still a bit harsh. With the conevalves and trax it feels really good now. Harshness is gone. 

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Man, I think guys love to exaggerate or overestimate their ability to feel minute changes in a bike based on what they read.  The placebo effect is unreal.  I have both a 2020 and a 2025.  No, the engine is not drastically different.  It's a slightly different character and is minutia in the grand scheme of things.  They are both good.  Keep in mind they also went from 51 to 52T sprocket with the new gen engine and also to a bigger throttle cam.  I think that is most of what guys are feeling.  You put the old throttle cam and a 51T on the new gen bike and you'd probably feel it was the same as the old engine.  As for the supposed chassis stiffness, again, they are not drastically different to me.  It's all slight little tweaks.  I bought my 25, did 2 little practices and then took it to a big race and did 3 classes on it, all stock.   I guess my frame was "broken in" enough, lol.

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FGR01 wrote:
Man, I think guys love to exaggerate or overestimate their ability to feel minute changes in a bike based on what they read.  The placebo effect...

Man, I think guys love to exaggerate or overestimate their ability to feel minute changes in a bike based on what they read.  The placebo effect is unreal.  I have both a 2020 and a 2025.  No, the engine is not drastically different.  It's a slightly different character and is minutia in the grand scheme of things.  They are both good.  Keep in mind they also went from 51 to 52T sprocket with the new gen engine and also to a bigger throttle cam.  I think that is most of what guys are feeling.  You put the old throttle cam and a 51T on the new gen bike and you'd probably feel it was the same as the old engine.  As for the supposed chassis stiffness, again, they are not drastically different to me.  It's all slight little tweaks.  I bought my 25, did 2 little practices and then took it to a big race and did 3 classes on it, all stock.   I guess my frame was "broken in" enough, lol.

This is so true, I race B class off-road on the east coast and I have been on a 2021 Husky FX350 and and spent a whole day on my buddies 2025 350XCF and it felt very similar, id say realistically about 5% better than my current bike. Little bit more power, little smoother here and there but it certainly didn't feel that different to me. Certainly not enough different to spend the money on a new one. 

I have a very hard time believing that a guy that's not atleast racing pro class at local races can feel when a frame is "broken in"

On his recent gypsy tales episode Jorge Prado said he didn't notice any difference going from a steel frame to a aluminum frame 🤷‍♂️.

 

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FGR01 wrote:
Man, I think guys love to exaggerate or overestimate their ability to feel minute changes in a bike based on what they read.  The placebo effect...

Man, I think guys love to exaggerate or overestimate their ability to feel minute changes in a bike based on what they read.  The placebo effect is unreal.  I have both a 2020 and a 2025.  No, the engine is not drastically different.  It's a slightly different character and is minutia in the grand scheme of things.  They are both good.  Keep in mind they also went from 51 to 52T sprocket with the new gen engine and also to a bigger throttle cam.  I think that is most of what guys are feeling.  You put the old throttle cam and a 51T on the new gen bike and you'd probably feel it was the same as the old engine.  As for the supposed chassis stiffness, again, they are not drastically different to me.  It's all slight little tweaks.  I bought my 25, did 2 little practices and then took it to a big race and did 3 classes on it, all stock.   I guess my frame was "broken in" enough, lol.

AMetts wrote:
This is so true, I race B class off-road on the east coast and I have been on a 2021 Husky FX350 and and spent a...

This is so true, I race B class off-road on the east coast and I have been on a 2021 Husky FX350 and and spent a whole day on my buddies 2025 350XCF and it felt very similar, id say realistically about 5% better than my current bike. Little bit more power, little smoother here and there but it certainly didn't feel that different to me. Certainly not enough different to spend the money on a new one. 

I have a very hard time believing that a guy that's not atleast racing pro class at local races can feel when a frame is "broken in"

On his recent gypsy tales episode Jorge Prado said he didn't notice any difference going from a steel frame to a aluminum frame 🤷‍♂️.

 

I would guess what most people feel when going from one bike to another with minor changes is just the fact they are riding a new bike and there old one has lots of hours. No matter how on top of maintenance you are it will never feel like it did when it was new.  Especially in the motor department. If your going from a bike with 120 hours on it to a freshie the new engine is going to feel more potent. 

Regarding Jorge comment it seems to me it’s easier for riders to go from steel to aluminum vs the other direction. 

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Motofinne wrote:

Nothing new, which is to be expected.

I did see this little nugget: "The 2025 creations will be the last KTM Factory Editions of this current SX-F generation." I guess we are getting orange frames for 2026 regular editions.

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12/10/2024 10:38am
FGR01 wrote:
Man, I think guys love to exaggerate or overestimate their ability to feel minute changes in a bike based on what they read.  The placebo effect...

Man, I think guys love to exaggerate or overestimate their ability to feel minute changes in a bike based on what they read.  The placebo effect is unreal.  I have both a 2020 and a 2025.  No, the engine is not drastically different.  It's a slightly different character and is minutia in the grand scheme of things.  They are both good.  Keep in mind they also went from 51 to 52T sprocket with the new gen engine and also to a bigger throttle cam.  I think that is most of what guys are feeling.  You put the old throttle cam and a 51T on the new gen bike and you'd probably feel it was the same as the old engine.  As for the supposed chassis stiffness, again, they are not drastically different to me.  It's all slight little tweaks.  I bought my 25, did 2 little practices and then took it to a big race and did 3 classes on it, all stock.   I guess my frame was "broken in" enough, lol.

My 24.5 450 FE came with 13/51 gearing. Believe the 25 is the same? The 25 300 SX came with 14/47!

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Motofinne wrote:

Nothing new, which is to be expected.

wrc777 wrote:
I did see this little nugget: "The 2025 creations will be the last KTM Factory Editions of this current SX-F generation." I guess we are getting...

I did see this little nugget: "The 2025 creations will be the last KTM Factory Editions of this current SX-F generation." I guess we are getting orange frames for 2026 regular editions.

$20 says that quote should read "The 2025 creations will be the last KTM FACTORY EDITIONs." given all the financial issues Pierer is facing. 

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FGR01 wrote:
Man, I think guys love to exaggerate or overestimate their ability to feel minute changes in a bike based on what they read.  The placebo effect...

Man, I think guys love to exaggerate or overestimate their ability to feel minute changes in a bike based on what they read.  The placebo effect is unreal.  I have both a 2020 and a 2025.  No, the engine is not drastically different.  It's a slightly different character and is minutia in the grand scheme of things.  They are both good.  Keep in mind they also went from 51 to 52T sprocket with the new gen engine and also to a bigger throttle cam.  I think that is most of what guys are feeling.  You put the old throttle cam and a 51T on the new gen bike and you'd probably feel it was the same as the old engine.  As for the supposed chassis stiffness, again, they are not drastically different to me.  It's all slight little tweaks.  I bought my 25, did 2 little practices and then took it to a big race and did 3 classes on it, all stock.   I guess my frame was "broken in" enough, lol.

crmx105 wrote:

My 24.5 450 FE came with 13/51 gearing. Believe the 25 is the same? The 25 300 SX came with 14/47!

I should have specified, I was referring to the 350's there about the gearing.

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Motofinne wrote:

Nothing new, which is to be expected.

wrc777 wrote:
I did see this little nugget: "The 2025 creations will be the last KTM Factory Editions of this current SX-F generation." I guess we are getting...

I did see this little nugget: "The 2025 creations will be the last KTM Factory Editions of this current SX-F generation." I guess we are getting orange frames for 2026 regular editions.

$20 says that quote should read "The 2025 creations will be the last KTM FACTORY EDITIONs." given all the financial issues Pierer is facing. 

KTM will continue on. It may be under a different owner, but there will still be new KTM bikes available to buy.

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12/10/2024 12:16pm Edited Date/Time 12/10/2024 1:57pm

...As I say every year, if you are a serious rider or racer, you know that the KTM Factory Editions are awesome looking bikes, but with little technical difference between the FE and the regular production bike.   The motor, suspension, and frame are exactly as they are on a standard KTM.

In my opinion, most riders would be well served to buy a leftover 2023 or 2024 and spend with money on a spring fork insert, better wheels, Guts racing gripper seat, and better handlebars and grips.

  If you want to go all out, then get a new improved rear link and upper motor mounts, maybe even a Powerparts triple clamp with some PHDS handlebar mounts to lessen the vibration -  and then you would have a bike that is superior to any KTM factory edition.     you don't need a pipe or muffler or clutch on these bikes, the stock components are superior to anything else. 

A clue to how good these KTMs have gotten is that Harri Kullas rode an almost stock KTM 450 SXF to 12th overall in the 2024 AMA nationals, with several top 10 finishes  - Most local guys have more performance stuff on their 450 than Harri did...

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Do they come with the factory Dunlop tires? I thought that was the rumor. 

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Do they come with the factory Dunlop tires? I thought that was the rumor. 

It was a rumor and at least one of the tire videos said it was not happening.

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Man, I think guys love to exaggerate or overestimate their ability to feel minute changes in a bike based on what they read.  The placebo effect...

Man, I think guys love to exaggerate or overestimate their ability to feel minute changes in a bike based on what they read.  The placebo effect is unreal.  I have both a 2020 and a 2025.  No, the engine is not drastically different.  It's a slightly different character and is minutia in the grand scheme of things.  They are both good.  Keep in mind they also went from 51 to 52T sprocket with the new gen engine and also to a bigger throttle cam.  I think that is most of what guys are feeling.  You put the old throttle cam and a 51T on the new gen bike and you'd probably feel it was the same as the old engine.  As for the supposed chassis stiffness, again, they are not drastically different to me.  It's all slight little tweaks.  I bought my 25, did 2 little practices and then took it to a big race and did 3 classes on it, all stock.   I guess my frame was "broken in" enough, lol.

crmx105 wrote:

My 24.5 450 FE came with 13/51 gearing. Believe the 25 is the same? The 25 300 SX came with 14/47!

FGR01 wrote:

I should have specified, I was referring to the 350's there about the gearing.

The ! wasn't aimed at you, just find it surprising that the 300 is geared so much higher than the 450. Guess they are trying to make the gears pull longer on the 300? Didn't know the 350 comes with a 52?!

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Sold my 23 sxf with about 15-20 hours on it because I couldn't get rid of the harshness from the fork. Tried 3 different forks and...

Sold my 23 sxf with about 15-20 hours on it because I couldn't get rid of the harshness from the fork. Tried 3 different forks and a lot of different settings. Some of them was from ktms test guys.

 

Anyway got the 25 now. Tried the stock fork and conevalve air and conevalve spring. 

With stock fork it was still a bit harsh. With the conevalves and trax it feels really good now. Harshness is gone. 

What static and race sag and springs you running? Weight? 

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crmx105 wrote:

My 24.5 450 FE came with 13/51 gearing. Believe the 25 is the same? The 25 300 SX came with 14/47!

FGR01 wrote:

I should have specified, I was referring to the 350's there about the gearing.

crmx105 wrote:
The ! wasn't aimed at you, just find it surprising that the 300 is geared so much higher than the 450. Guess they are trying to...

The ! wasn't aimed at you, just find it surprising that the 300 is geared so much higher than the 450. Guess they are trying to make the gears pull longer on the 300? Didn't know the 350 comes with a 52?!

All 3 different models likely have totally different internal primary and trans ratios.  So it's not really an apples to apples comparison.

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Ive had a 23 and 25. 23/24 aren't as bad as you may have heard, but I really do think the frame updates are a step in the right direction. Just my personal opinion, Id say go 25 if you don't mind spending the extra cash. However, 24's are having massive sales right now. 

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FGR01 wrote:
Man, I think guys love to exaggerate or overestimate their ability to feel minute changes in a bike based on what they read.  The placebo effect...

Man, I think guys love to exaggerate or overestimate their ability to feel minute changes in a bike based on what they read.  The placebo effect is unreal.  I have both a 2020 and a 2025.  No, the engine is not drastically different.  It's a slightly different character and is minutia in the grand scheme of things.  They are both good.  Keep in mind they also went from 51 to 52T sprocket with the new gen engine and also to a bigger throttle cam.  I think that is most of what guys are feeling.  You put the old throttle cam and a 51T on the new gen bike and you'd probably feel it was the same as the old engine.  As for the supposed chassis stiffness, again, they are not drastically different to me.  It's all slight little tweaks.  I bought my 25, did 2 little practices and then took it to a big race and did 3 classes on it, all stock.   I guess my frame was "broken in" enough, lol.

AMetts wrote:
This is so true, I race B class off-road on the east coast and I have been on a 2021 Husky FX350 and and spent a...

This is so true, I race B class off-road on the east coast and I have been on a 2021 Husky FX350 and and spent a whole day on my buddies 2025 350XCF and it felt very similar, id say realistically about 5% better than my current bike. Little bit more power, little smoother here and there but it certainly didn't feel that different to me. Certainly not enough different to spend the money on a new one. 

I have a very hard time believing that a guy that's not atleast racing pro class at local races can feel when a frame is "broken in"

On his recent gypsy tales episode Jorge Prado said he didn't notice any difference going from a steel frame to a aluminum frame 🤷‍♂️.

 

I also race B class offroad and just finished the race season after putting 85 hours on my 2023 ktm 300xc. I have moved back to my old 2021 ktm 350 xcf and I can 100% feel a difference in chassis stiffness and flexibility. The 2021 is much more forgiving and supple. I have been skeptical of the differences my whole life, but back to back you can tell a big difference. 

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12/11/2024 11:59am Edited Date/Time 12/11/2024 11:59am
FGR01 wrote:
Man, I think guys love to exaggerate or overestimate their ability to feel minute changes in a bike based on what they read.  The placebo effect...

Man, I think guys love to exaggerate or overestimate their ability to feel minute changes in a bike based on what they read.  The placebo effect is unreal.  I have both a 2020 and a 2025.  No, the engine is not drastically different.  It's a slightly different character and is minutia in the grand scheme of things.  They are both good.  Keep in mind they also went from 51 to 52T sprocket with the new gen engine and also to a bigger throttle cam.  I think that is most of what guys are feeling.  You put the old throttle cam and a 51T on the new gen bike and you'd probably feel it was the same as the old engine.  As for the supposed chassis stiffness, again, they are not drastically different to me.  It's all slight little tweaks.  I bought my 25, did 2 little practices and then took it to a big race and did 3 classes on it, all stock.   I guess my frame was "broken in" enough, lol.

AMetts wrote:
This is so true, I race B class off-road on the east coast and I have been on a 2021 Husky FX350 and and spent a...

This is so true, I race B class off-road on the east coast and I have been on a 2021 Husky FX350 and and spent a whole day on my buddies 2025 350XCF and it felt very similar, id say realistically about 5% better than my current bike. Little bit more power, little smoother here and there but it certainly didn't feel that different to me. Certainly not enough different to spend the money on a new one. 

I have a very hard time believing that a guy that's not atleast racing pro class at local races can feel when a frame is "broken in"

On his recent gypsy tales episode Jorge Prado said he didn't notice any difference going from a steel frame to a aluminum frame 🤷‍♂️.

 

sh274s wrote:
I also race B class offroad and just finished the race season after putting 85 hours on my 2023 ktm 300xc. I have moved back to...

I also race B class offroad and just finished the race season after putting 85 hours on my 2023 ktm 300xc. I have moved back to my old 2021 ktm 350 xcf and I can 100% feel a difference in chassis stiffness and flexibility. The 2021 is much more forgiving and supple. I have been skeptical of the differences my whole life, but back to back you can tell a big difference. 

I remember when the 2019's came out people thought they were too stiff compared to the 16-18 bikes. Now looking back we think the 19-22's are a soft and forgiving chassis.

 Interesting how perceptions change. Personally I feel those were some of the best bikes ever built. I would be curious how the new frame on the 25's stacks up as far as flexibility now that they've dialed back some of the stiffness.

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AMetts wrote:
This is so true, I race B class off-road on the east coast and I have been on a 2021 Husky FX350 and and spent a...

This is so true, I race B class off-road on the east coast and I have been on a 2021 Husky FX350 and and spent a whole day on my buddies 2025 350XCF and it felt very similar, id say realistically about 5% better than my current bike. Little bit more power, little smoother here and there but it certainly didn't feel that different to me. Certainly not enough different to spend the money on a new one. 

I have a very hard time believing that a guy that's not atleast racing pro class at local races can feel when a frame is "broken in"

On his recent gypsy tales episode Jorge Prado said he didn't notice any difference going from a steel frame to a aluminum frame 🤷‍♂️.

 

sh274s wrote:
I also race B class offroad and just finished the race season after putting 85 hours on my 2023 ktm 300xc. I have moved back to...

I also race B class offroad and just finished the race season after putting 85 hours on my 2023 ktm 300xc. I have moved back to my old 2021 ktm 350 xcf and I can 100% feel a difference in chassis stiffness and flexibility. The 2021 is much more forgiving and supple. I have been skeptical of the differences my whole life, but back to back you can tell a big difference. 

b_kowalsk wrote:
I remember when the 2019's came out people thought they were too stiff compared to the 16-18 bikes. Now looking back we think the 19-22's are...

I remember when the 2019's came out people thought they were too stiff compared to the 16-18 bikes. Now looking back we think the 19-22's are a soft and forgiving chassis.

 Interesting how perceptions change. Personally I feel those were some of the best bikes ever built. I would be curious how the new frame on the 25's stacks up as far as flexibility now that they've dialed back some of the stiffness.

I have not ridden a '25 four stroke but I have a '25 two stroke and put a lot of time on 20-24 two and four strokes. For me the '25 is in between the 22 and 23. It is a good blend at least with the 250 2t engine. More stable but not quite as much steering as the '22 but feels better standing.

12/11/2024 1:04pm
https://www.keeferinctesting.com/rmatvmc-keefer-tested-show-380-2024-ktm-450-east-coast-factory-edition-update/ Not a 350 review but he talks about the updated frame. He specifically says he doesn't love it like he does the 2022 frame but...

https://www.keeferinctesting.com/rmatvmc-keefer-tested-show-380-2024-kt…

Not a 350 review but he talks about the updated frame. He specifically says he doesn't love it like he does the 2022 frame but says the new 24.5 factory edition (production 2025) frame is "a step in the right direction" over the 23/24 frames.

I dont get the big deal when Keefer and others go on to say after 10hrs or so the frames loosen up. I typically ride 200+ hours a year and don't really care if the frame starts out a bit stiff...

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