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Only $10 for all 2024 SX, MX, and SMX series (regularly $30).
Nice way to justify the injustifiable !
EU regulations have been like this for a while, for motorcycle license you can get A1 (max 125cc and 11 kW, that is 15 hp), A2 (max 35 kW, 48 hp), A (full license).
In many European countries you can get A1 license without any exam, just need driver (B ) license plus 2 years (France also requires 7 h training so one day job, no exam). This regulation boosted 125 and 3 wheeled scooter sales like Piaggio MP3.
Interestingly, the power limitation of 11 kW is continuous power (amount of power the motor is capable of sustaining continuously for 30 minutes, according to UNECE regulation No 85). For ICE, continuous and max power are more or less the same, but for electrics max power can be 2 or 3 times higher than continuous power.
Just like OEM sell "A2-versions" of their bikes, I guess Stark will sell "A1-versions" of the Varg EX, likely software-limited to 45 hp (... or maybe 60 hp???), which is already plenty enough for someone without a motorcycle license or any experience to ride into a tree.
Edit: holy guacamole, just watched the launch video, they say the 80 hp is A1 compliant, this is nuts, I can see a used parts market developing quickly from beginners being a little too ambitious 🤣
same than above, thats why its ok to charge 1k€ on an already 13k bike for unlock a feature with a click on a phone ??
You are all delusional, its insane to watch sheep agreed with their slaver.
I thought it was kind of weird when I saw "a production by Stark Studios". That kind of stuff tends to raise my antenna not make me feel more comfortable about a purchase. I'm certainly not going to knock other manufacturers for not having an in-house studio department, particularly one funded by debt.
Bike looks great though, I will be following the independent tests and reviews.
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Since the only tuning that can be done is the electric way, why would they give it away for free?.
1000€ for 20hp is still cheap compared to what it cost to get 20hp out of an combustion engine.
I am no fan of Stark or most of the people that bought the bikes, but they need to earn money somewhere.
Note: Stark no longer even offers the 60 horsepower, software-upgrade version in North America.
Full 80 hp and $10,990 MSRP are the current numbers at dealers. Cheaper than other manufacturers' factory editions with carbon fiber parts, KYB, Brembo, billet hubs and triples. The only complaint now is range, not hp options, nor price.
It's going to be a competitive series but if Taddy podiums in a moto on that thing it'll be a major milestone for Stark and for the concept of electric bikes racing against ICEs.
They stopped offering the 60 hp Varg anywhere in the world since they've dropped the price... but now it's back 😒
Varg US official price is now $10k for 60 hp and $11k for 80 hp.
I despise the software-as-a-service approach, no matter who does it. That being said, 10k for a 60 hp MX bike is not that bad.
So is the $10K 60 hp supposed to compete in the 250F marketspace? I think it fails there.
by own bankruptcy 🫣
I posted this a month ago in the Husky dual sport thread. Kudos to Stark for pushing their designs, products, and marketing, they are walking the walk of industry disrupter. With each release and positive review they are gaining legitimacy as a manufacturer despite the inherent shortcoming of battery range now. I want one.
Many cool things added here. Love the additional range! I have been longing for the enduro model to come out, and it came quicker then I thought!
But, I am severely disappointed they didn’t add a clutch to this model. My 80hp MX model I have now, no clutch on MX really doesn’t matter, but the enduro side needs to have a clutch to work well. I was ready to get rid of my 300 for this if it had clutch because in tight woods riding and hard enduro range simply will not be an issue. But no clutch I am out.
What's insane is to watch the lengths the Stark haters have to go to justify their outrage.
Are you like @MxAddic where you think you are stopping childhood slavery by not riding a Stark?
Cycle News reports "California and some other states will take a little while longer to get approved" [street legal].
Claimed weight 265 lbs.
https://magazine.cyclenews.com/i/1530303-cycle-news-2024-issue-49-december-10/52
If you don't agree with the price, don't buy it. It's not the companies "fault" you don't agree and customer demand influences prices. I understand you think $1000 for software is not fair, but Adobe still charges like $200 a year for the ability to edit a PDF. I choose not to pay for that.
The best part if you have a choice, just like nobody forces you to buy a GET ECU for $1000.....after all it must be easy to make a program that, right?
Love the styling they are putting into their bikes.
There actually is a way to do it now. I haven’t bothered with mine yet but apparently there is a form you can fill out and submit to DMV to get a sticker for electric bikes now, it’s just not a well known program. A ranger at Carnegie was giving my dad information since he has one of our converted Yamahas and couldn’t get a sticker previously.
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I love it! Longer range is all I’m waiting on….i don’t know that it would go 70-80 miles …YET!
But no way it can be ridden on all mountain bike trails like they say near the beginning of the video…at least here..,Suron’s aren’t even allowed…no way that thing would be.
Any hints on this form? I'll be looking into getting this.
I do not understand how CARB's list for green sticker (and even street legal) does not list any electric motorcycles. I've seen Altas in state parks tho.
Stark is crushing it, totaly taking over innovation
Marine industry has been doing this for awhile. It's all serial # ranges.
You'll be following the independent tests and reviews? I watch a lot of moto bike reviews on the YouTubes and learned along time ago to view them only as entertainment. Most "influencers" never really have anything bad to say about a bike because they know that might mean they don't continue to get more bikes to review. And isn't it interesting that they all seem to start releasing reviews about a bike right around the same time LOL. And don't get me started about when a popular influencer posts one of those "I bought my next bike" video.... that normally means that he got a loaner from a dealer or manufacturer and gets to keep it for 6 months. None of the popular influencers pay for much of anything, the really popular ones are all bought off. Bike reviews on YouTube and Instagram are nothing more than commercials IMHO, and even guys in the traditional moto media like Pulp clearly get paid to promote a certain brand (BluCru).
So are there really any independent testers and reviewers that are trustworthy these days?
Nor should they be. Plenty of legitimate off-road riding areas here that would be perfect for the Stark.
Love the whole idea of what Stark is trying to do, but as a dual sport owner myself, the idea behind it is that I don't have to throw the bike in my truck, I can just ride it to the trail, have some fun, then ride it back home. I'm not sure how far the Stark would get me before it was completely out of juice. Now a supermoto version that I could commute back and forth to work on would be a blast!
I'm intelligent enough to know the difference between a paid endorsement or commercially influenced review and an independent review.
It's no different than paying a subscription for those heated seats in BMW's that are already in the vehicle. There's absolutely not additional cost yet they are trying to charge you more for it. The uproar caused BMW to drop the idea (I believe). I'm surprised at the acceptance here.
Yeah you can get very long riding time for slow, technical or hard enduro but this bike is not a dual sport equivalent. The road sections would just kill the range.
That would require a much heavier bike with larger battery pack (like the Royal Enfield E Himalaya prototype with 2 Varg batteries), and also onboard charger.
Varg EX is a very cool bike but not suitable for 100 miles rides.
Throw a set of 17" wheels on one of these and boom, ya got one.
MXA is pretty legit. They will give a thorough review and not hold back, in my opinion.
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