Pro Circuit KX125: It's been awhile [finished]

731chopper
Posts
4150
Joined
1/2/2015
Location
DFW, TX US
Edited Date/Time 4/28/2017 2:23pm
I bought a bike awhile ago that I planned on going through but life got in the way and it has taken a lot longer than I anticipated. Some people on here may recognize the bike. There is a story to tell with the bike but I'm not sure this is the place to tell all of it.

I bought the bike without any suspension on it, tore it down to the frame and sent the motor off to Pro Circuit to be rebuilt. I acquired an old Pro Circuit factory Kawi race cylinder and, stupid me, thought they'd be okay with me having it since this bike is over 15 years old and Kawasaki doesn't even make a 125 anymore. Long story short, they rebuilt the motor entirely but with a stock cylinder they were able to source. They sent me back the old race cylinder but with the temperature sticker and Pro Circuit sticker removed. It still had the same dremel marks though so I knew it was the same one. Pro Circuit didn't seem too thrilled that I sent them a motor for an old 125 that needed to be entirely rebuilt and it ended up costing a pretty penny to put it nicely. When I think of KX125s I think of Pro Circuit so I thought that was right in their wheel house but, again, stupid me I guess.

I also ended up getting the kit suspension that was originally on the bike but sold by the previous owner before I bought it. After my experience with Pro Circuit I decided not to send the suspension to them to have serviced but rather take it to Enzo here locally.

I've replaced all of the bearings except the one pressed on the steering stem. I ended up having to cut the rocker arm out of the frame because the bolt had fused to the bearings. Picture below.

The bike came with a lot of cool carbon fiber bits on it and I acquired a few more pieces. It's got an oversized Braking front brake rotor and a nice Braking rear brake rotor. PC axle blocks, ignition cover, clutch cover, power valve cover, rear master cylinder cap, pipe, silencer, throttle tube, clutch, etc. I put a V-Force on it as well and rebuilt the carb.

I got the 2000 Splitfire Pro Circuit graphics and seat that I'm putting on it. I found someone to make me some replica number plates a few months ago with my number on it because I do plan on racing the bike.

I'm not done with the bike as you can see in the photos but I've had a little bit of time lately to work on it more so it is getting close to being finished.












|
fogmoto
Posts
62
Joined
9/23/2015
Location
Campbell Hall, NY US
4/10/2017 6:52pm
That bike is looking sweet, especially that flo-green frame. Wonder why pro-circuit got all anal on the cylinder ? You planning to put it back on the bike?
sandman768
Posts
6698
Joined
3/21/2014
Location
Saratoga Springs, NY US
4/10/2017 6:58pm
Did Pro Circuit call you to discuss the usage of the cylinder? I would be pretty upset if I wanted the cylinder used & they decided not to without a discussion.....2 words..... Chad Watts.......
731chopper
Posts
4150
Joined
1/2/2015
Location
DFW, TX US
4/10/2017 8:52pm
The service writer at Pro Circuit did talk to me about the cylinder so it wasn't a surprise when I got my motor back and I don't want to dog on Pro Circuit for not using that cylinder. They said that there was something wrong with that cylinder and it wasn't repairable. I'm not an engine builder so I don't know if what they said is right or if they said it because they didn't want to put that cylinder on the motor. The guy did tell me that he showed it to Mitch and they wanted to know where I got it. That cylinder is now sitting on a shelf in my office with a few works Kawi magnesium parts I got from Europe as something to look at so it's not a total loss.

I just got the impression through the conversations I had with them that rebuilding a motor that isn't currently in production was a big inconvenience. Lately I race bikes from the 70s so I get it, finding parts can be a challenge and they basically replaced every single part inside the motor. I just didn't think a bike they have such a strong pedigree with that is only 15 years old would be a problem at all for them. But they did rebuild the motor and in less time than they originally quoted me so they didn't do anything wrong and I don't want to give people the wrong impression.

I got some more stuff done on the bike tonight. Picture below.



The Shop

mattyhamz2
Posts
11111
Joined
7/6/2015
Location
So Cal, CA US
4/11/2017 8:18am
Bike looks awesome!! I bet that motor would be so awesome with that cylinder on it. Bummer they didn't use it
sandman768
Posts
6698
Joined
3/21/2014
Location
Saratoga Springs, NY US
4/11/2017 8:50am
Great job on the bike! I can see PC"s point of view, I"m sure they are more geared toward building a big dollar 4 stroke engine. Maybe a bunch more work would have to been done to make that cylinder work, head/ case work? I"m sure whatever is wrong with that cylinder it can be repaired & the porting kept in tact, but it"s likely easier to ride the way they built it for you. I thought about PC when I had a 96 cr 250 motor built, but I called around & spoke with a lot of builders, ended up going with Tom Morgan.....One man show, we spoke directly every time & he was very upfront about everything, quick turn around & motor absolutely rips....always wanted to have a full on PC motor built, but that was in the 2 stroke days.....I keep my 4 stroke motors stock.....
731chopper
Posts
4150
Joined
1/2/2015
Location
DFW, TX US
4/11/2017 9:02am
You mentioned Chad Watts earlier and I forgot to say that I originally did try getting ahold of him before I decided to send the motor to Pro Circuit. I tried calling Watts Perfections for a week but the number was disconnected so I figured they were no longer around.
TJMX947
Posts
746
Joined
3/6/2017
Location
Indian Trail, NC US
4/11/2017 9:37am
When I was a kid a Pro Circuit KX125 was the holy grail...I knew I wanted to race nationals when I was old enough and I wanted my bike built by Mitch. When you see the name Pro Circuit it just harkens back to the glory days of motocross.

I was bench racing with a local tuner a few years ago and we got on the subject of Pro Circuit. He mentioned that he had visited Pro Circuit and saw the team race shop (which was top notch) but he also saw the "normal guy" shop. He said it was a slave driving assembly line. It was dirty and dismal. He said he didn't know how they kept up with all of the parts and stuff, people were just frantically working. I'm sure they have a ton people who are competent at specific tasks that play into the bigger picture of getting x amount of heads disassembled and prepped for porting per day or some other metric they use to measure their productivity. They probably lack sufficient resources with the technical know how to spend intimate time on a machine that needs a ton of attention. I would have loved to been a fly on the wall when they unboxed it.

MXA always talks about how Mitch still hand ports all the cylinders himself. I just don't know how he could still do that. Anyhoo this bike looks sick. This was my dream back in the mid to late 90s.
Phillip_Lamb
Posts
1928
Joined
12/14/2010
Location
ORANGEVALE, CA US
4/11/2017 9:41am Edited Date/Time 4/11/2017 10:10am
What you're facing isnt too uncommon.

I work at a ford dealer and for someone to bring in a 15 -20 year old car and say rebuilt it...its a tall order because parts get discontinued when no one is buying them.

I had someone with a 07 expedition, who wanted to convert to air suspension. I was able to get all the parts but it took a few month, some were on backorder, and most were discontinued, I had to call mulitple dealers to track down the parts. He wanted to convert a second one, and i told him to pound sand. it wasnt worth the time and effort to locate and buy everthing again.


anywho very nice bike. I had an 02 pc bike years ago. came across it back when all i wanted was a 4stroke and unloaded it.
CrGuy2T
Posts
4340
Joined
3/11/2015
Location
Santa Fe, TX US
4/11/2017 7:39pm
Cool thing is this was one of Shea bentley's lightly used 02 practice bikes. It went into the right hands. The bike is turning out nice. Good job!
HenryA
Posts
3785
Joined
12/29/2011
Location
Stockholm SE
4/12/2017 12:00am
Love these builds. The bike looks to be in pretty good shape too!
731chopper
Posts
4150
Joined
1/2/2015
Location
DFW, TX US
4/13/2017 9:38pm Edited Date/Time 4/13/2017 9:39pm
The bike was in pretty good shape when I got it but I wanted to tear it down and go through everything. The only things I haven't rebuilt at this point are the brake calipers and master cylinders and I'm feeling guilty for not doing it. I did replace the brake pins when I put new pads in. I'm planning on putting all new brake fluid in, bleeding and seeing how it is. Also, I replaced both the throttle and clutch cables with new ones but didn't place the brake lines so I'm feeling a little guilty about that too.

CrGuy2T has been a huge help and I never would have found most of what I have without him.

Anyways, I did a little bit more on it tonight. I got the carb installed with all new lines and also got the throttle cleaned and put back together. I went to install grips and had a little... mishap... so I need to buy some new grips again. I've still got a few carbon fiber pieces like the skid plate to get installed. I also need to decide if I'm going to run the vented front number plate or the standard flo green one. I only have one front number plate background.



731chopper
Posts
4150
Joined
1/2/2015
Location
DFW, TX US
4/16/2017 8:33pm
I can't believe that the bike is almost ready to get fired up for the first time. I got a new DID ERT2 gold chain installed along with a few more odds and ends done and I got the front number plate done. I was going to go with my Cycra works vented but it doesn't fit right. I'm not sure why because it was new in the package and the packaging says it fits KX125 96-02. I took a photo to show the problem with the fitment.

I'm debating on whether or not I'm going to replace the Enzo suspension stickers with the period correct Pro Circuit ones that I have.







mattyhamz2
Posts
11111
Joined
7/6/2015
Location
So Cal, CA US
4/17/2017 9:26am
Bike looks awesome, man!! Bummer about the Cycra number plate, but it still looks awesome.
ledger
Posts
3671
Joined
1/17/2013
Location
TN US
4/17/2017 11:30am
Bike is bad A !! Can the number plate be trimmed to make it set flush with the fender ? The plate is unique and would compliment the rest of the bike IMO.
omalley
Posts
1528
Joined
7/27/2016
Location
Snohomish, WA US
4/17/2017 11:30am
Could you make an adaptor to move the plate down? Seems like a small length of sheet aluminum with a countersunk hole in the top (for a flat head cap screw into the top clamp) and a nut-sert in the bottom ( for the number plate bolt) would fix it and hide behind the plate.
731chopper
Posts
4150
Joined
1/2/2015
Location
DFW, TX US
4/17/2017 7:12pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2017 7:13pm
Yeah I think I could make an adaptor to make it fit as long as that doesn't cause the top of the upper triple to show above the plate. I need to take some measurements to see.

Btw, thanks for the kind words on the bike everyone.
doofy
Posts
438
Joined
3/13/2017
Location
Avon, IN US
4/18/2017 4:56pm
Thats such a sick bike man. Takes me back to what i call the glory days of moto.

On the topic of PC... its laughable that mxa prints mitch hand ports every cylinder. Theres a local pro around here, his mechanic has worked for some mx and sx teams and they get their motors from PC, the mechanic told me even their motors are built/ported by a $10/hr mexican who more than likely speaks zero english.
731chopper
Posts
4150
Joined
1/2/2015
Location
DFW, TX US
4/18/2017 6:08pm
I don't read any of the mags that much these days so I didn't know they were saying that. I think Mitch still does a lot of detail work on his team's stuff but I wouldn't think he'd do anything more than that.

I sent the motor to PC because this bike has a traceable lineage to Pro Circuit. It was one of their bikes and as CrGuy2T stated, I believe it was some sort of practice bike. The frame is not reinforced like I have seen on their race frames but the subframe does have the extra aluminum pieces welded for the seat. So, I felt like the bike deserved to have its motor built by them. I know their service for the average joe blow like myself is different than their race team but it still is Pro Circuit and for a Pro Circuit fanboy like myself... that is cool.

The bike is pretty much finished now. All I need to do is add the oil, coolant, fuel and oil the air filter and it will be ready to fire up. I'll but sure to post photos of it all completed once I do that. I'm also going to replace some of the carbon pieces before riding it like the mud guard beneath the air box and a few other pieces that are nearly impossible to find. I always told myself I was going to ride (and race) this bike but now that it's just about done I am starting to second guess that decision. Dry
ledger
Posts
3671
Joined
1/17/2013
Location
TN US
4/18/2017 11:17pm
I personally think it's too nice of a bike to go out and bang bars, extremely rare also. Nothing wrong with kick'n back and saying....Wow, look at this. Off topic, but is that a 75 in the background ?
731chopper
Posts
4150
Joined
1/2/2015
Location
DFW, TX US
4/19/2017 8:30am
ledger wrote:
I personally think it's too nice of a bike to go out and bang bars, extremely rare also. Nothing wrong with kick'n back and saying....Wow, look...
I personally think it's too nice of a bike to go out and bang bars, extremely rare also. Nothing wrong with kick'n back and saying....Wow, look at this. Off topic, but is that a 75 in the background ?
Yep, it's a 75. I'm getting it ready for Diamond Dons. I've also got a 79 YZ250.
doofy
Posts
438
Joined
3/13/2017
Location
Avon, IN US
4/19/2017 9:15am
731chopper wrote:
I don't read any of the mags that much these days so I didn't know they were saying that. I think Mitch still does a lot...
I don't read any of the mags that much these days so I didn't know they were saying that. I think Mitch still does a lot of detail work on his team's stuff but I wouldn't think he'd do anything more than that.

I sent the motor to PC because this bike has a traceable lineage to Pro Circuit. It was one of their bikes and as CrGuy2T stated, I believe it was some sort of practice bike. The frame is not reinforced like I have seen on their race frames but the subframe does have the extra aluminum pieces welded for the seat. So, I felt like the bike deserved to have its motor built by them. I know their service for the average joe blow like myself is different than their race team but it still is Pro Circuit and for a Pro Circuit fanboy like myself... that is cool.

The bike is pretty much finished now. All I need to do is add the oil, coolant, fuel and oil the air filter and it will be ready to fire up. I'll but sure to post photos of it all completed once I do that. I'm also going to replace some of the carbon pieces before riding it like the mud guard beneath the air box and a few other pieces that are nearly impossible to find. I always told myself I was going to ride (and race) this bike but now that it's just about done I am starting to second guess that decision. Dry
I totally understand man. I wasnt trying to question your decision sending it to them. My buddy has pc do his yz250 motor and refused to believe mitch himself didnt build it. With the volume of customers and builds he has its not feasible for him to do all of them + his race teams
731chopper
Posts
4150
Joined
1/2/2015
Location
DFW, TX US
4/28/2017 2:18pm




Well, here it is. I promised myself I'd have the bike finished by today. I fired it up for the first time while taking these photos. I can't wait to get it out on a track!
4/28/2017 2:51pm
Looks like the real deal, great job!
Hard to think of a bike that could be more fun on a trackCool

Post a reply to: Pro Circuit KX125: It's been awhile [finished]

The Latest