2022 YZ85 and YZ125 redesign rumor?

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I’ve heard some rumors that the 85 and 125 are going to see significant changes for 2022, just curious if anyone has heard the same? I find it pretty exciting if it’s true, my kids are on Yamaha 65s and 85s and if 2023 means it’s the yz250’s turn I think I’d buy one.
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sandhills 5/21/2021 7:57am
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There was apparently a spy photo of a dual radiator 85 at a race in Japan.

125 update rumors are powered on pure hope fumes and one quoted southern european racer, without any verified original source. It's still largely irrelevant to competition, but the european 125 races do exist and finger in the air polling says 125 sales are up probably higher now than any time 2010-2019. The x models show that they have at least paid an ounce of attention to the full size two strokes again.
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EAmato88 5/21/2021 8:01am
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BNG!
Ehhh I’ve got some pretty reliable sources that say the 85 is more than that, we will see though
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slipdog 5/21/2021 8:04am
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I've heard the same about the 85. Next year would be a good year for my son to start riding an 85 when he turns 10 so I hope it's true
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Falcon 5/21/2021 8:37am
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If there's a new 250 I'm going to buy one. Hear me, Yamaha?
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Spooner 5/21/2021 9:57am
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They are working on a 125 but no clue if it comes out this year.
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fpandjic 5/21/2021 10:27am
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Heard from a friend who heard it from a dealer that 85 should be redesigned. Not sure about the 125 though
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gt80rider 5/21/2021 10:47am
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Miss the 80s when exciting new models came out all the time.... since then... hello bng!!!!
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MotoCoUSA 5/21/2021 10:51am
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Just put the dang button on the 125/250 already! I love my 250 but man itd be sweet to have a button out in the singletrack mountains.
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mattyhamz2 5/21/2021 11:42am
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MotoCoUSA wrote:
Just put the dang button on the 125/250 already! I love my 250 but man itd be sweet to have a button out in the singletrack...
Just put the dang button on the 125/250 already! I love my 250 but man itd be sweet to have a button out in the singletrack mountains.
No disrespect or anything, but I really don't understand the want/need for a button on an MX version of a 2 stroke. Realistically any 2 stroke. Especially a 125. You can literally start the damn thing with your hand if needed.
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Falcon 5/21/2021 11:53am
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MotoCoUSA wrote:
Just put the dang button on the 125/250 already! I love my 250 but man itd be sweet to have a button out in the singletrack...
Just put the dang button on the 125/250 already! I love my 250 but man itd be sweet to have a button out in the singletrack mountains.
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No disrespect or anything, but I really don't understand the want/need for a button on an MX version of a 2 stroke. Realistically any 2 stroke...
No disrespect or anything, but I really don't understand the want/need for a button on an MX version of a 2 stroke. Realistically any 2 stroke. Especially a 125. You can literally start the damn thing with your hand if needed.
This. Maybe on the X models, since you could find yourself stuck against a tree or on a weird hill in a GNCC race. But an MX bike? nah. One of the reasons I like the 2-strokes is because they are 20 pounds lighter than a 4-stroke. Don't reduce the benefit.
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MotoCoUSA 5/21/2021 12:29pm
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MotoCoUSA wrote:
Just put the dang button on the 125/250 already! I love my 250 but man itd be sweet to have a button out in the singletrack...
Just put the dang button on the 125/250 already! I love my 250 but man itd be sweet to have a button out in the singletrack mountains.
mattyhamz2 wrote:
No disrespect or anything, but I really don't understand the want/need for a button on an MX version of a 2 stroke. Realistically any 2 stroke...
No disrespect or anything, but I really don't understand the want/need for a button on an MX version of a 2 stroke. Realistically any 2 stroke. Especially a 125. You can literally start the damn thing with your hand if needed.
Guess I should have been more specific and said the X cause thats what I have. I ride single track all the time and would love to have a button. I agree mx models do not need a button
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MotoCoUSA 5/21/2021 12:32pm
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MotoCoUSA wrote:
Just put the dang button on the 125/250 already! I love my 250 but man itd be sweet to have a button out in the singletrack...
Just put the dang button on the 125/250 already! I love my 250 but man itd be sweet to have a button out in the singletrack mountains.
mattyhamz2 wrote:
No disrespect or anything, but I really don't understand the want/need for a button on an MX version of a 2 stroke. Realistically any 2 stroke...
No disrespect or anything, but I really don't understand the want/need for a button on an MX version of a 2 stroke. Realistically any 2 stroke. Especially a 125. You can literally start the damn thing with your hand if needed.
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This. Maybe on the X models, since you could find yourself stuck against a tree or on a weird hill in a GNCC race. But an...
This. Maybe on the X models, since you could find yourself stuck against a tree or on a weird hill in a GNCC race. But an MX bike? nah. One of the reasons I like the 2-strokes is because they are 20 pounds lighter than a 4-stroke. Don't reduce the benefit.
Agreed, I have an X and that is what im talking about, not a MXer.
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SoCalMX70 5/21/2021 3:24pm
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Don't give me hope... I'm looking at jumping ship to a fooper next year. Legit news of redesigned Japanese 2 strokes would keep me around! (Even if the 250 is last in line)
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Richard Tease II 5/22/2021 2:18am
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There was apparently a spy photo of a dual radiator 85 at a race in Japan. 125 update rumors are powered on pure hope fumes and...
There was apparently a spy photo of a dual radiator 85 at a race in Japan.

125 update rumors are powered on pure hope fumes and one quoted southern european racer, without any verified original source. It's still largely irrelevant to competition, but the european 125 races do exist and finger in the air polling says 125 sales are up probably higher now than any time 2010-2019. The x models show that they have at least paid an ounce of attention to the full size two strokes again.



Unfortunately this was in 2018 World Jnr MX titles in Horsham Australia. A lot of people didn’t realise but this bike had the new power valve motor released on the 2019
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I have a 2005 YZ125. I bought it when they first came out in 2004.

I'd love to buy a new one, but after upgrading my forks to SSS and the shock, mine is functionally identical to what's on the showroom floor.

It's time for a refresh!
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80sMXbadboy 5/22/2021 6:47am
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There will be a new model the YZ185 and will have the same livery as Jeffros’ 125 outdoor championship winning team bike.
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blaze 57 5/25/2021 8:24am
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I just bought a new 21 YZ 125 in March so if Yamaha comes out with a redesigned bike with 38 hp stock I'm going to start drinking again. I love my new bike but it is a gutless wonder.
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planter 5/25/2021 11:32am
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Hope they redo the 85 for 22 and announce it soon.

They are loosing tremendous market share to orange and white in the 85cc market because of their outdated bike. Kid's just don't want to ride it no matter how close it might be because of how it looks and feels with the old tank design, dated plastics, forks that drop down so far below axel, frame, etc, etc.

Yamaha's 65 is a competitive bike and they've regained some share there, which should be telling them something. But they need to announce soon as orange and white are starting to hit dealers and selling fast with people placing deposits on them so that they at least get something. Kids don't stop growing or moving up while the OEM waits to announce next years model plans, especially in the hyper competitive mini-cycle market.

Yamahas listening?
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cablecable 5/26/2021 4:01am
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These Japanese are crazy for not putting effort into mini bikes, theres this thing that happens when a kid goes from a KTM50, to 65, 85 , 125 250. so many keep to the ktm brand.

I dont know about the whole but race days over here the Junior / mini numbers dominate the senior classes
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Joshracing 6/11/2021 5:09am
6/11/2021 5:09am Edited Date/Time 6/11/2021 6:28am
You guys only seem to want a 'new look' to the bike... There's a million hop up parts available for the current platform, why would Yamaha want, or need, to update? Fantic offer a great package, based on the YZ platform.... it's restyled like crazy... plus some serious engine mods. Maybe put your order in, support these guys! They're winning races around Europe now.... plus, it's freakin sexy!
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Richard Tease II wrote:
Spotted during the week. Kid rides for Yamaha Europe [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/06/10/497231/s1200_C63D63F4_ADF1_4426_9A9B_DE7C3A879BF7.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/06/10/497229/s1200_5EBE83D5_2BCD_424D_A8FA_D9522BC885EF.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/06/10/497230/s1200_C01628AA_EA04_4F13_95A4_D43CEC72A51D.jpg[/img]
Spotted during the week. Kid rides for Yamaha Europe



Dual shrouds? Otherwise it looks like the same plastic as a '21. But that is interesting if they do redesign it and it has 2 rads. I guess the KTM is already like that. As far as the 125, I'm very interested to see if they change that. I would be ok with the same basic chassis, a new swingarm and some more power up top.
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Joshracing 6/11/2021 6:58am
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Richard Tease II wrote:
Spotted during the week. Kid rides for Yamaha Europe [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/06/10/497231/s1200_C63D63F4_ADF1_4426_9A9B_DE7C3A879BF7.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/06/10/497229/s1200_5EBE83D5_2BCD_424D_A8FA_D9522BC885EF.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/06/10/497230/s1200_C01628AA_EA04_4F13_95A4_D43CEC72A51D.jpg[/img]
Spotted during the week. Kid rides for Yamaha Europe



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Dual shrouds? Otherwise it looks like the same plastic as a '21. But that is interesting if they do redesign it and it has 2 rads...
Dual shrouds? Otherwise it looks like the same plastic as a '21. But that is interesting if they do redesign it and it has 2 rads. I guess the KTM is already like that. As far as the 125, I'm very interested to see if they change that. I would be ok with the same basic chassis, a new swingarm and some more power up top.
There is absolutely no point in twin radiators on an 85 cc engine... really. The water jacket around the cylinder + head is 200 milliliters. Put that in a glass, have a look how small it is in reality. One radiator is all that's necessary, anything else is just added weight.
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AH387 6/11/2021 7:01am
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Joshracing wrote:
There is absolutely no point in twin radiators on an 85 cc engine... really. The water jacket around the cylinder + head is 200 milliliters. Put...
There is absolutely no point in twin radiators on an 85 cc engine... really. The water jacket around the cylinder + head is 200 milliliters. Put that in a glass, have a look how small it is in reality. One radiator is all that's necessary, anything else is just added weight.
I didn't ever think it was needed either, which is why I was a bit shocked. But looking at that pic, that is the only real visual difference that I can see from the current bike, or am I off base here?
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Joshracing wrote:
There is absolutely no point in twin radiators on an 85 cc engine... really. The water jacket around the cylinder + head is 200 milliliters. Put...
There is absolutely no point in twin radiators on an 85 cc engine... really. The water jacket around the cylinder + head is 200 milliliters. Put that in a glass, have a look how small it is in reality. One radiator is all that's necessary, anything else is just added weight.
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I didn't ever think it was needed either, which is why I was a bit shocked. But looking at that pic, that is the only real...
I didn't ever think it was needed either, which is why I was a bit shocked. But looking at that pic, that is the only real visual difference that I can see from the current bike, or am I off base here?
The current bike got new rear plastic in 2015, and a new chassis/suspension/motor in 2019. There was some inference from Yamaha at that time there would be updated styling at some point in the near future.

So some new front bodywork (and just front bodywork) would track with that history
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Press516 6/11/2021 10:42am
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Joshracing wrote:
You guys only seem to want a 'new look' to the bike... There's a million hop up parts available for the current platform, why would Yamaha...
You guys only seem to want a 'new look' to the bike... There's a million hop up parts available for the current platform, why would Yamaha want, or need, to update? Fantic offer a great package, based on the YZ platform.... it's restyled like crazy... plus some serious engine mods. Maybe put your order in, support these guys! They're winning races around Europe now.... plus, it's freakin sexy!
Fantic is blocked by Yamaha from importing and selling those bikes in the US... Otherwise, great choice.
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Richard Tease II wrote:
Spotted during the week. Kid rides for Yamaha Europe [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/06/10/497231/s1200_C63D63F4_ADF1_4426_9A9B_DE7C3A879BF7.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/06/10/497229/s1200_5EBE83D5_2BCD_424D_A8FA_D9522BC885EF.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/06/10/497230/s1200_C01628AA_EA04_4F13_95A4_D43CEC72A51D.jpg[/img]
Spotted during the week. Kid rides for Yamaha Europe



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ZOBITO 6/11/2021 11:07am
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Woah, this 85 looks just like a ten years old YZ 125! I'm so excited I hardly can find the words.
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