All new KTM 2016

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Fearo 7/11/2014 5:02am
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[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2014/07/11/59080/s1200_IMG_20140707_WA0052_1.jpg[/img] There are a 2 or 3 guys riding these bikes in Belgium and The Netherlands. I did not get a good look when they were...


There are a 2 or 3 guys riding these bikes in Belgium and The Netherlands. I did not get a good look when they were at a track where i was riding but you could immediately see the bike was completely different from the '15 models.
Any more pics Vanilla?
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I don't think they will switch to aluminium frame. They look pretty happy with the steel frame
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Vanilla 7/11/2014 5:48am
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Any more pics Vanilla?
No i don't have more pics, this pic is not mine either. There are some pics floating around on facebook i think.

I saw these guys in Berghem, i heard that they were at Hondapark the next day.
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Vanilla 7/11/2014 5:51am
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Fearo wrote:
Any more pics Vanilla?
Edit. double post.

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I see KTM leading the way in advancement of dirt bike technology. They are moving along fast while the others are kind of lagging and I...
I see KTM leading the way in advancement of dirt bike technology. They are moving along fast while the others are kind of lagging and I believe this is so because KTM focuses very heavily and mostly on MX bikes where the others are involved in all kinds of different products.
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ktm are leading advancement with dirt bikes , by adding an air fork for 16, when crf and kxf would of had it 3 yrs earlier...
ktm are leading advancement with dirt bikes , by adding an air fork for 16, when crf and kxf would of had it 3 yrs earlier , they are still using a steel frame , which is vey old tec , and were the last 450 to go fi , but yet KTM are the ones leading advancement ? they d be better off stay old tec anyway , there nothing wrong with a steel frame ,air forks are a nightmare , the only good advancement has been fi ,which Suzuki came out with first , took ktm 4 yrs later , dont see ,ktm ever being a Yamaha , who have been the ones to really lead tec ,ie, 4 stroke, reversing cylinder , and all of this has been done before , nothing new tec
Oh man... I suggest sticking to the Japanese bikes, you're the exact type of buyer they're looking for.
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ktm are leading advancement with dirt bikes , by adding an air fork for 16, when crf and kxf would of had it 3 yrs earlier...
ktm are leading advancement with dirt bikes , by adding an air fork for 16, when crf and kxf would of had it 3 yrs earlier , they are still using a steel frame , which is vey old tec , and were the last 450 to go fi , but yet KTM are the ones leading advancement ? they d be better off stay old tec anyway , there nothing wrong with a steel frame ,air forks are a nightmare , the only good advancement has been fi ,which Suzuki came out with first , took ktm 4 yrs later , dont see ,ktm ever being a Yamaha , who have been the ones to really lead tec ,ie, 4 stroke, reversing cylinder , and all of this has been done before , nothing new tec
KTMs are the iPhones of motocross. A japanese brand may come out with radical new engine design, space-age suspension technology, perfect ergos, but to a KTM fan they will always be " the same old crap". Then KTM comes out with a new orange frame and a new fork design that barely propels them into the current millenium, and they all go crazy about it.
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coastie44 7/11/2014 7:02am
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KTMs are the iPhones of motocross. A japanese brand may come out with radical new engine design, space-age suspension technology, perfect ergos, but to a KTM...
KTMs are the iPhones of motocross. A japanese brand may come out with radical new engine design, space-age suspension technology, perfect ergos, but to a KTM fan they will always be " the same old crap". Then KTM comes out with a new orange frame and a new fork design that barely propels them into the current millenium, and they all go crazy about it.
^^^ this!!!!
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brimx153 wrote:
ktm are leading advancement with dirt bikes , by adding an air fork for 16, when crf and kxf would of had it 3 yrs earlier...
ktm are leading advancement with dirt bikes , by adding an air fork for 16, when crf and kxf would of had it 3 yrs earlier , they are still using a steel frame , which is vey old tec , and were the last 450 to go fi , but yet KTM are the ones leading advancement ? they d be better off stay old tec anyway , there nothing wrong with a steel frame ,air forks are a nightmare , the only good advancement has been fi ,which Suzuki came out with first , took ktm 4 yrs later , dont see ,ktm ever being a Yamaha , who have been the ones to really lead tec ,ie, 4 stroke, reversing cylinder , and all of this has been done before , nothing new tec
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What about the electric start, hydraulic clutch, fat bars stock, no tool required for air filters, a 350cc "outside the box" bike, amazing brembo brakes, billet...
What about the electric start, hydraulic clutch, fat bars stock, no tool required for air filters, a 350cc "outside the box" bike, amazing brembo brakes, billet triple clamps...if you can't see that KTM is pushing to be the best you are just blind. Although I see in every post you hate on KTM's...so I'm sure all this goes in one ear and out the other.

I'm still not sold on the whole yamaha engine design...or yamaha's in general. They are consistently my least favorite bikes 2 stroke or 4. They just have a bulky, unbalanced feel, and my god are they UGLY.
I really dig what KTM is doing, and I'd own one in a second. But, they are not "leading the way in advancement". They are certainly making strides in the marketplace, though.
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gpracer36 7/11/2014 7:52am
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cracks me up some people think because they don't have an aluminum frame that they are old school. The jap bikes are monkey see monkey do. That is why they all have aluminum frames. They are rigid, heavy and bulky. Ask a legit suspension tuner about steel vrs aluminum. PITA stiff. For 99% of the riders out there, steel is better. It flexes, weighs less. KTM sells to that 99%, that is why they will stay with steel frames. They don't give a crap about what the jap guys are doing. Seems to be working.
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HOPSTOOPID 7/11/2014 8:48am
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Do I want to buy technology thats NEW/COOL, or do I want to buy technology that WORKS.

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Fearo 7/11/2014 9:08am
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Apart from the technology standpoint, you need to ask yourself this:

Am I going to give my 8K to a brand that will invest that money in consumer-driven dirtbikes and pushes aggressively to grow the sport? Or am I going to give my 8K to a brand that would just as well sell me a piano or a lawn mover instead of a dirtbike?
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IceMan446 7/11/2014 9:47am
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Apart from the technology standpoint, you need to ask yourself this: Am I going to give my 8K to a brand that will invest that money...
Apart from the technology standpoint, you need to ask yourself this:

Am I going to give my 8K to a brand that will invest that money in consumer-driven dirtbikes and pushes aggressively to grow the sport? Or am I going to give my 8K to a brand that would just as well sell me a piano or a lawn mover instead of a dirtbike?
Or you can go with a brand that suites you best.

Who cares if other brands make and sell other things? Not sure why that argument always gets brought up.

If I am spending my hard earned money I am going to buy what suites my style and feels good to me. No matter the brand.

Also, the shop that has always supported me will get my money. So depending on what brands they have, I will chose from the options there.

That's putting money back into the sport at the grass roots level.
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GuyB 7/11/2014 9:55am
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I'm pretty sure Short ran it all year.
Yes.
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BobPA 7/11/2014 10:24am
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Derpin' DJ wrote:
Dunno, sounds like the air-in-front/exhaust-out-back arrangement is the way to go, especially on the 250F
I don't know, I rode one and it certainly did not set the world on fire. I rode it back go back with a '13 Kawi and I much preferred it. It was just better fitting for me everywhere. The yamaha engine was pretty good, I just can't stand Yamaha's ergos....most uncomfortable motorcycles I have ever ridden.
overthebars39 7/11/2014 10:29am
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Sheriff245 wrote:
KTMs are the iPhones of motocross. A japanese brand may come out with radical new engine design, space-age suspension technology, perfect ergos, but to a KTM...
KTMs are the iPhones of motocross. A japanese brand may come out with radical new engine design, space-age suspension technology, perfect ergos, but to a KTM fan they will always be " the same old crap". Then KTM comes out with a new orange frame and a new fork design that barely propels them into the current millenium, and they all go crazy about it.
If there is one brand that's the iPhones of MX then Honda is the one.
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Markee 7/11/2014 12:12pm
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You boys are going to ford chevy this motherfucker to death im sure, that's what you guys do with no means to a end.

But on the other hand if you look at bikes with a love for the sport, it is cool to see a non Japanese motorcycle company rise up and put a effort in to take and compete with market share that has been grasped or let go by the big four. KTM/Husky is a underdog and has been for years. Will be nice to see what the future brings from the two, will be interesting as well to see if the japanese excluding yamaha does with the resurgence of 2 stroke interest.

electrolabs 7/11/2014 12:48pm
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For 2015 both Kawasaki and Honda are coming with a larger front rotors thanks to KTM.
If KTM didn't come with great brakes, this would not happen. We need brands like KTM for the sport as we all benefit.

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brimx153 7/11/2014 3:37pm
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brimx153 wrote:
ktm are leading advancement with dirt bikes , by adding an air fork for 16, when crf and kxf would of had it 3 yrs earlier...
ktm are leading advancement with dirt bikes , by adding an air fork for 16, when crf and kxf would of had it 3 yrs earlier , they are still using a steel frame , which is vey old tec , and were the last 450 to go fi , but yet KTM are the ones leading advancement ? they d be better off stay old tec anyway , there nothing wrong with a steel frame ,air forks are a nightmare , the only good advancement has been fi ,which Suzuki came out with first , took ktm 4 yrs later , dont see ,ktm ever being a Yamaha , who have been the ones to really lead tec ,ie, 4 stroke, reversing cylinder , and all of this has been done before , nothing new tec
BobPA wrote:
What about the electric start, hydraulic clutch, fat bars stock, no tool required for air filters, a 350cc "outside the box" bike, amazing brembo brakes, billet...
What about the electric start, hydraulic clutch, fat bars stock, no tool required for air filters, a 350cc "outside the box" bike, amazing brembo brakes, billet triple clamps...if you can't see that KTM is pushing to be the best you are just blind. Although I see in every post you hate on KTM's...so I'm sure all this goes in one ear and out the other.

I'm still not sold on the whole yamaha engine design...or yamaha's in general. They are consistently my least favorite bikes 2 stroke or 4. They just have a bulky, unbalanced feel, and my god are they UGLY.
I honestly think ktm have a great bike ,imo , its pick a colour green ,yellow or orange , they are a step ahead of the rest , small step , and my point was more that as for actual innovation ,Yamaha have been the leaders , followed by Honda , but Honda has changed to much , the 08 ,was a better bike than the 09 -12 , and a lot better than the 13-14 , same goes for Yamaha , the 09 was better , up until this yr , and not sure even on that , they have the most tec changes , ktm are pushing to be the best by improving there bike s, not changing the world with fancy new tec (,as the post was suggesting ), the 350 was an innovation ,plus e start , brembo brakes are best in class hands down ,but there just made by brembo , there s nothing new its just better , the have great finish eg fat bars ,clutch etc , but here you pay 1000e more for a KTM , so kind of even s out to make the brakes as good etc , my point is yahama have the most new tec on it from any other brand , yet , its still prob worse out of the big 5 in 450 s anyway ,

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If you just miss big front brake rotor or fatbar... 2014 KTM/Husky cost 9100-9250e and Honda/Kawasaki 7800-7900e.. there is room for new rotor and fatbar.
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BobPA 7/12/2014 6:35am
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tek14 wrote:
If you just miss big front brake rotor or fatbar... 2014 KTM/Husky cost 9100-9250e and Honda/Kawasaki 7800-7900e.. there is room for new rotor and fatbar.
That's a crazy price difference. Is there any wiggle room on those prices or are they pretty firm? When I bought mine the best I could do locally was 8200 OTD...I called all around and ended up driving 3.5 hours...but I saved 1100 bucks. The e-start alone is worth $1000 to me, I'll never kick again haha.
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brimx153 wrote:
ktm are leading advancement with dirt bikes , by adding an air fork for 16, when crf and kxf would of had it 3 yrs earlier...
ktm are leading advancement with dirt bikes , by adding an air fork for 16, when crf and kxf would of had it 3 yrs earlier , they are still using a steel frame , which is vey old tec , and were the last 450 to go fi , but yet KTM are the ones leading advancement ? they d be better off stay old tec anyway , there nothing wrong with a steel frame ,air forks are a nightmare , the only good advancement has been fi ,which Suzuki came out with first , took ktm 4 yrs later , dont see ,ktm ever being a Yamaha , who have been the ones to really lead tec ,ie, 4 stroke, reversing cylinder , and all of this has been done before , nothing new tec
Sheriff245 wrote:
KTMs are the iPhones of motocross. A japanese brand may come out with radical new engine design, space-age suspension technology, perfect ergos, but to a KTM...
KTMs are the iPhones of motocross. A japanese brand may come out with radical new engine design, space-age suspension technology, perfect ergos, but to a KTM fan they will always be " the same old crap". Then KTM comes out with a new orange frame and a new fork design that barely propels them into the current millenium, and they all go crazy about it.
"KTMs are the iPhones of motocross..."

Awesome line.
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ToolMaker 8/7/2014 10:37am
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es337 wrote:
i think yamaha would like a word with you...
rosebud441 wrote:
Yamaha is weird.. Piano's, drums, and motorcycles...

But hey, Husky makes sewing machines too,
OriolMassot wrote:
Hey man, what's wrong with drums? They make such a very good product!

But I ended up buying a Roland set, haha!
You do realize that Yamaha's logo is 3 tuning forks Wink
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rosebud441 wrote:
Yamaha is weird.. Piano's, drums, and motorcycles...

But hey, Husky makes sewing machines too,
OriolMassot wrote:
Hey man, what's wrong with drums? They make such a very good product!

But I ended up buying a Roland set, haha!
ToolMaker wrote:
You do realize that Yamaha's logo is 3 tuning forks Wink
Yep, true story...!

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inve94 8/18/2014 6:53am
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Hi guys a little update!!Woohoo
New engine and frame with current plastics...









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es337 8/18/2014 7:38am
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does anyone know if the new frames are super asymmetrical or are these totally different prototypes?

this frame looks like the current one



this one is real curvy almost like the old husqvarnas before ktm bought them
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MxKing809 8/18/2014 8:45am
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It could be two different designs they were trying. The top one may have just been a mule also to test the motor.... Who knows. That swing arm pivot location is quite a bit different
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inve94 8/19/2014 5:52am
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In my opinion they are testing new engines..
these bikes are racing in germany in adac masters!
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GF48 9/24/2014 1:03pm
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sorry I do not speak much English, I made one picture of what could be the KTM 350 2016 today in Belgium





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MxKing809 9/24/2014 1:12pm
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Back plates look like 09-13 Hondas

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