All new KTM 2016

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10/10/2014 8:11am
Not crazy about the whole rear section of the bike, especially the weird looking number plates.. :-(
10/10/2014 8:16am
Digger29 wrote:
Not crazy about the whole rear section of the bike, especially the weird looking number plates.. :-(
I'm sure you will be able to make it look good
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10/10/2014 8:16am
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Old news, Cairoli and Dungey have been hammering their '16s for over a month now I would think. [img]http://www.motoverte.com/article/article/habillage-plastique-deco-tout-cela-respire-le-modele-de-pre-serie-en-plein-test-pdh531motorsport-com-81310-2-zoom-article.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.motoverte.com/article/article/ktm-450-sxf-pre-serie-2016-en-action-pdh531motorsport-com-81310-9-zoom-article.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.motoverte.com/article/article/antonio-cairoli-sur-sa-machine-officielle-2015-qui-sera-un-proto-issu-du-modele-de-serie-2016-dr-81310-3-zoom-article.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.motoverte.com/article/article/pre-serie-125-ou-150-2t-en-test-dr-81310-5-zoom-article.jpg[/img]
Old news, Cairoli and Dungey have been hammering their '16s for over a month now I would think.







If that were true, the 15 450FE would need to be the 2016 model? Haven't seen the 2015 FE, could be the reason for a later release?
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10/10/2014 8:29am Edited Date/Time 10/10/2014 8:30am
styling's a little janky. not sure. hope they didn't lose some designers. whoever brought white into the 2014 color scheme must be the new guy who replaced someone great who left the company. something's off in their recent evolution, we'll see.

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10/10/2014 9:16am
Digger29 wrote:
Not crazy about the whole rear section of the bike, especially the weird looking number plates.. :-(
That is my reaction to almost every new design. At first I'm not so sure. But after I while I can't remember not liking it. I hated the new look on the Yamaha. Now I think it's one of the best looking bikes out there. Same with the new generation KTM front fender.

The rear fender will most likely be orange.
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10/10/2014 9:25am
There will be a 250 FE too...
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10/10/2014 9:27am Edited Date/Time 10/10/2014 9:27am
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If that were true, the 15 450FE would need to be the 2016 model? Haven't seen the 2015 FE, could be the reason for a later...
If that were true, the 15 450FE would need to be the 2016 model? Haven't seen the 2015 FE, could be the reason for a later release?
The '15 450FE will be 95% the same as the '16 models, probably with a few extra goodies such as better wheels, different exhaust. The only reason the FE exists is to deal with the retarded homologation rule. There's no such thing in Europe and some people at KTM have openly said they will skip the '15 GP engine package and go straight to the '16.
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10/10/2014 10:58am
That 125 seems to have all new motor. Look at the ignition cover and the black cover on the side of the cylinder. Also lots of hoses coming out from the carburetor area. Fuel injection?

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10/10/2014 1:41pm
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That 125 seems to have all new motor. Look at the ignition cover and the black cover on the side of the cylinder. Also lots of...
That 125 seems to have all new motor. Look at the ignition cover and the black cover on the side of the cylinder. Also lots of hoses coming out from the carburetor area. Fuel injection?

Motor support comes from back(like 4-stroke) as now its from top part of frame?
They been testing fuel injection but on bigger bikes like 250/300cc but i wanna see 125 with one also,
maybe they will use in enduro series first as power is not that important than control of it.
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10/10/2014 3:20pm
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That 125 seems to have all new motor. Look at the ignition cover and the black cover on the side of the cylinder. Also lots of...
That 125 seems to have all new motor. Look at the ignition cover and the black cover on the side of the cylinder. Also lots of hoses coming out from the carburetor area. Fuel injection?

tek14 wrote:
Motor support comes from back(like 4-stroke) as now its from top part of frame? They been testing fuel injection but on bigger bikes like 250/300cc but...
Motor support comes from back(like 4-stroke) as now its from top part of frame?
They been testing fuel injection but on bigger bikes like 250/300cc but i wanna see 125 with one also,
maybe they will use in enduro series first as power is not that important than control of it.
Good spotting of the 'cluttered' area around the induction area.- resolution gets fuzzy when I try to expand it, so no idea what's really lurking in there.

DFI / whatever tech they use for Road Registerable bikes to pass Euro (2017?) / Worldwide emissions to come, may well be so far developed (after all, they've been "developing" it for years now) that they'll go straight to that tech on all their 2t line. The more use of it, the better the amortization of the costs, one would think. That will upset the 'head in the sand / head up their arses' blokes. It will be quite a revolution for 2t use in general, I think. I've plenty of carbed 2ts, and I'm not scared of DFI / whatever tech they use to bring 2ts back into more use.For far more than just Dirt Bikes / Motorcycles.

How do you 2 Finns feel about the loss of the Hyvinkaa GP? Travel over to Uddevalla instead, if you're into the GPs?
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10/10/2014 9:05pm
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There will be a 250 FE too...
YES, there will be... and it's going to be a bad mutha fuqer, from what I have heard the riders saying, that have ridden it.
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10/11/2014 7:16am
What is that last one, the pic of the two stroke.......Looks like a cross between the old husky and a ktm....I don't see a carb, but rather a bunch of stuff????? Husky DI engine, and ktm frame.......

Never liked the husky "short skirt" plastics.......
10/11/2014 9:28am
Yea, the whole back of the 16 looks horrible imo. Love my ktms but not liking this new look, hopefully theirs still tweaking to b done lol
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10/11/2014 9:43am Edited Date/Time 10/11/2014 9:45am
Honda already did the "large opening in the top of the shroud" thing, it's kinda the cheap way to good design. USE the plastics, make contours, make it shockingly new (like the electric KTM mx bike) wow us already.
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10/11/2014 10:40am
Yes, KTM seem to have re-embraced the 2 most dreadful styling points of the last couple of decades - the Husky 'short skirt' (that's a good one!) radiator shrouds with the poxy black lower section (with the '15 being back to a solid colour, I thought they'd finally woken up to themselves), and the 08/10 'faux Dakar' side panels - looking like auxiliary tanks..

They probably felt the need to get away from the very Honda like plastics that have been around since '11, but this is just pathetic. Kiska, strikes again!
10/11/2014 11:14am
Roczen left KTM and one of the major reasons (he says) was the steel frame. he wanted an aluminum frame
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10/11/2014 11:49am
Bearuno wrote:
Good spotting of the 'cluttered' area around the induction area.- resolution gets fuzzy when I try to expand it, so no idea what's really lurking in...
Good spotting of the 'cluttered' area around the induction area.- resolution gets fuzzy when I try to expand it, so no idea what's really lurking in there.

DFI / whatever tech they use for Road Registerable bikes to pass Euro (2017?) / Worldwide emissions to come, may well be so far developed (after all, they've been "developing" it for years now) that they'll go straight to that tech on all their 2t line. The more use of it, the better the amortization of the costs, one would think. That will upset the 'head in the sand / head up their arses' blokes. It will be quite a revolution for 2t use in general, I think. I've plenty of carbed 2ts, and I'm not scared of DFI / whatever tech they use to bring 2ts back into more use.For far more than just Dirt Bikes / Motorcycles.

How do you 2 Finns feel about the loss of the Hyvinkaa GP? Travel over to Uddevalla instead, if you're into the GPs?
They shared "risk" first years Hyvinkää/Youthstream. Next year they wanted move risk to Hyvinkää. Less people pay GP tickets and series without finnish rider... Personally i would love to see RV2 fight with others so might go another race, most likely spain or sweden.
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10/11/2014 2:16pm
Roczen left KTM and one of the major reasons (he says) was the steel frame. he wanted an aluminum frame
Not sure where you heard/ read that, but that's not accurate at all.
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10/11/2014 2:43pm
Roczen left KTM and one of the major reasons (he says) was the steel frame. he wanted an aluminum frame
Not sure where you heard/ read that, but that's not accurate at all.
he said it himself in the interview he did with guyb the other day
10/11/2014 2:46pm
Roczen left KTM and one of the major reasons (he says) was the steel frame. he wanted an aluminum frame
Not sure where you heard/ read that, but that's not accurate at all.
He said he like the character of the aluminium he never said " i dont want the steele frame" he just did not believe in it. Difference there between said he " want aluminium" he just find it better for his personal riding style.
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10/11/2014 4:16pm
Roczen left KTM and one of the major reasons (he says) was the steel frame. he wanted an aluminum frame
Not sure where you heard/ read that, but that's not accurate at all.
He said he like the character of the aluminium he never said " i dont want the steele frame" he just did not believe in it...
He said he like the character of the aluminium he never said " i dont want the steele frame" he just did not believe in it. Difference there between said he " want aluminium" he just find it better for his personal riding style.
You're kind of splitting hairs there. IMO it's not a stretch to get to "wanting aluminum" from " finds aluminum better for his personal riding style".

I'm a KTM fan and believe the Steel frame is great for 99.9% of people who ride it. But, more than one pro has not liked the characteristics of the Steel. Chad Reed even said he initially liked & favored the KTM. But, as they increased engine power output, characteristics of the KTM frame became evident that he wasn't comfortable with.
10/11/2014 5:23pm
Not sure where you heard/ read that, but that's not accurate at all.
He said he like the character of the aluminium he never said " i dont want the steele frame" he just did not believe in it...
He said he like the character of the aluminium he never said " i dont want the steele frame" he just did not believe in it. Difference there between said he " want aluminium" he just find it better for his personal riding style.
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You're kind of splitting hairs there. IMO it's not a stretch to get to "wanting aluminum" from " finds aluminum better for his personal riding style"...
You're kind of splitting hairs there. IMO it's not a stretch to get to "wanting aluminum" from " finds aluminum better for his personal riding style".

I'm a KTM fan and believe the Steel frame is great for 99.9% of people who ride it. But, more than one pro has not liked the characteristics of the Steel. Chad Reed even said he initially liked & favored the KTM. But, as they increased engine power output, characteristics of the KTM frame became evident that he wasn't comfortable with.
So. And Reed said he didnt like the Honda cause of its frame geometry and it had aluminium. Barcia left honda he wasnt pumped with the aluminium honda frame either. This is just personal opinions.

These lads can feel the difference between small small mm of changes. My friend Grant Langston told me a story about his frame change in 07, he used stock KYB´s together with a frame wich literally was a couple of mm´ in difference from the the previous frame and it was night and day difference for him, but Chad he said wtf i dont really feel any difference at all. Its to much hokkus pokkus talk. Amateurs and fun riders dont feel difference at all, or not at the level of these guys. So i agree with the steel question, it works perfect for 99% of the riders.
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10/11/2014 5:50pm
Roczen left KTM and one of the major reasons (he says) was the steel frame. he wanted an aluminum frame
Not sure where you heard/ read that, but that's not accurate at all.
es337 wrote:
he said it himself in the interview he did with guyb the other day
Interesting. I stand corrected, but I REALLY don't think that was "one of the main reasons" for going to RCH to ride the Suzuki. Of course the money played a BIG part of his decision and the fact that he is the MAIN guy and doesn't have Dungey as his team mate, might be a big contribution to his decision too. He's been on the KTM with the steel frame and has done great on it. I sure hope he likes the motor on his Suzuki, because I know their riders have not had nice things to say about them. The KTM is 60 HP out of the box and has big potential for more power, I'm not sure how much power they will be able to pull out of the Suzuki. At that level, the Suzuki feels SLOW to a lot of riders. Hope I'm wrong, I'd like to see Roczen up front, he's got a GREAT attitude and works hard.
On another note, I wonder how it's going to be with both Roczen and Dungey using Aldon Baker this year ?
10/11/2014 6:13pm
Not sure where you heard/ read that, but that's not accurate at all.
es337 wrote:
he said it himself in the interview he did with guyb the other day
Interesting. I stand corrected, but I REALLY don't think that was "one of the main reasons" for going to RCH to ride the Suzuki. Of course...
Interesting. I stand corrected, but I REALLY don't think that was "one of the main reasons" for going to RCH to ride the Suzuki. Of course the money played a BIG part of his decision and the fact that he is the MAIN guy and doesn't have Dungey as his team mate, might be a big contribution to his decision too. He's been on the KTM with the steel frame and has done great on it. I sure hope he likes the motor on his Suzuki, because I know their riders have not had nice things to say about them. The KTM is 60 HP out of the box and has big potential for more power, I'm not sure how much power they will be able to pull out of the Suzuki. At that level, the Suzuki feels SLOW to a lot of riders. Hope I'm wrong, I'd like to see Roczen up front, he's got a GREAT attitude and works hard.
On another note, I wonder how it's going to be with both Roczen and Dungey using Aldon Baker this year ?

Cylinder: Std 450z
Head: Std 450z Suzuki/ Yoshimura Modifications
Crank: Works
Valves: Custom
Transmission: 5 speed Std polished Japan custom transmission.
Camshaft: Suzuki/ Yoshimura
Clutch: Custom Hinson
Fuel injection: 043 throttle body custom.
Ignition: Works programmable
Spark plug: NGK
Exhaust: Yoshimura custom
Fuel: Custom Blend Renegade

And they constantly R&D they can put the hp numbers wherever they want. Roczen already said they made huge steps with the engine. So did James when he switched from Yamaha JGR.



They can tune a bike pretty much to what they want, it maybe different to a KTM or a Yamaha but Japan together with the aftermarket companies with different demands from Suzuki can pretty much get that bike to whatever they need it to be.

Remember Chad had a full blown PC bike with Honda from Mitch with parts mitch dont sell to the public, still he felt a big difference with his new factory Honda cause he had access to parts witch was unobtan. The same goes for each bike. I never heard anyone say it was slow except Vuillemin who refered to the fuel injection back in 08. Why would Roczen lack anything in that department. What KTM lacked with chassis and suspension back in the days they made up with a good engine but they came along way since.

I dont get why people just dont understand that roczen said that he felt the steel was different for his own personal style and he never felt as comfortable as he believe he can be on the rmz with the aluminium frame. Roczen was raised with Suzuki and loved Suzuki since he was a little child in Germany riding 65 to 250´s , i think he will do just as fine if not even better on the Zuke.
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10/11/2014 6:24pm
Not sure where you heard/ read that, but that's not accurate at all.
es337 wrote:
he said it himself in the interview he did with guyb the other day
Interesting. I stand corrected, but I REALLY don't think that was "one of the main reasons" for going to RCH to ride the Suzuki. Of course...
Interesting. I stand corrected, but I REALLY don't think that was "one of the main reasons" for going to RCH to ride the Suzuki. Of course the money played a BIG part of his decision and the fact that he is the MAIN guy and doesn't have Dungey as his team mate, might be a big contribution to his decision too. He's been on the KTM with the steel frame and has done great on it. I sure hope he likes the motor on his Suzuki, because I know their riders have not had nice things to say about them. The KTM is 60 HP out of the box and has big potential for more power, I'm not sure how much power they will be able to pull out of the Suzuki. At that level, the Suzuki feels SLOW to a lot of riders. Hope I'm wrong, I'd like to see Roczen up front, he's got a GREAT attitude and works hard.
On another note, I wonder how it's going to be with both Roczen and Dungey using Aldon Baker this year ?
Yes, Dungey, Roczen, Cianciarullo, Anderson, I believe another 1 or 2. Baker is also looking to expand his facility to include an amateur program as well.
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10/11/2014 6:42pm
es337 wrote:
he said it himself in the interview he did with guyb the other day
Interesting. I stand corrected, but I REALLY don't think that was "one of the main reasons" for going to RCH to ride the Suzuki. Of course...
Interesting. I stand corrected, but I REALLY don't think that was "one of the main reasons" for going to RCH to ride the Suzuki. Of course the money played a BIG part of his decision and the fact that he is the MAIN guy and doesn't have Dungey as his team mate, might be a big contribution to his decision too. He's been on the KTM with the steel frame and has done great on it. I sure hope he likes the motor on his Suzuki, because I know their riders have not had nice things to say about them. The KTM is 60 HP out of the box and has big potential for more power, I'm not sure how much power they will be able to pull out of the Suzuki. At that level, the Suzuki feels SLOW to a lot of riders. Hope I'm wrong, I'd like to see Roczen up front, he's got a GREAT attitude and works hard.
On another note, I wonder how it's going to be with both Roczen and Dungey using Aldon Baker this year ?
Moto75 wrote:
Yes, Dungey, Roczen, Cianciarullo, Anderson, I believe another 1 or 2. Baker is also looking to expand his facility to include an amateur program as well.
Smart dude with an incredible track record. He builds champions. Can't wait to see what he can do with Dungey...
10/11/2014 10:10pm
In the interview with roczen he mentions the steel frame, but i think the bigger concern of his was that he didnt like the suspension. AT ALL! And he later praises in the interview how he loves the suzuki cause of how plush the suspension is. And owning alotta og ktms myself, i completly agree with him.So much that i was going back to jap bikes until i road a ktm with ohlins. The wp stuff is garbage.
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10/11/2014 10:33pm
In the interview with roczen he mentions the steel frame, but i think the bigger concern of his was that he didnt like the suspension. AT...
In the interview with roczen he mentions the steel frame, but i think the bigger concern of his was that he didnt like the suspension. AT ALL! And he later praises in the interview how he loves the suzuki cause of how plush the suspension is. And owning alotta og ktms myself, i completly agree with him.So much that i was going back to jap bikes until i road a ktm with ohlins. The wp stuff is garbage.
I've heard great stuff about ohlins, I love the shock on my 350...but I'm still not thrilled on the forks. You think they are worth the cash?
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In the interview with roczen he mentions the steel frame, but i think the bigger concern of his was that he didnt like the suspension. AT...
In the interview with roczen he mentions the steel frame, but i think the bigger concern of his was that he didnt like the suspension. AT ALL! And he later praises in the interview how he loves the suzuki cause of how plush the suspension is. And owning alotta og ktms myself, i completly agree with him.So much that i was going back to jap bikes until i road a ktm with ohlins. The wp stuff is garbage.
BobPA wrote:
I've heard great stuff about ohlins, I love the shock on my 350...but I'm still not thrilled on the forks. You think they are worth the...
I've heard great stuff about ohlins, I love the shock on my 350...but I'm still not thrilled on the forks. You think they are worth the cash?
Just put a set of Ohlins on my 450 and it is night and day difference, especially the forks. My stock stuff, which was revalved, felt like a jack hammer compared to the Ohlins forks. They are so plush that it's like riding a different bike. The shock is very good as well but I didn't notice as big a difference compared to the forks. Well worth the $ IMHO.

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