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I don't have an answer to fix it (only possible with a couple throw away rounds??)... but that's my issue with the current points system
He could win the OA for 11 straight weekends and not make up a SINGLE point.
Too me that’s a broken system.
It compels riders to lay up. And it doesn’t at all reward the winner for the weekend. In fact it rewards second place.
Second is truly the same as a first.
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The major sports change their rules to remain relevant which gets more sponsors. MX needs to do the same.
Keep the per moto points system the same. This is just a bonus for the podium each weekend.
So theoretically if a guy like Eli missed round one entirely, but went on to win the next 11 overalls, he could make up that 50 point difference.
11 rounds x 5 extra point for winning the overall would be 55 points.
So basically on the year there are 60 points up for grabs in overall wins. 24 points up for grabs for second overall. And 12 points up for grabs for 3rd overall.
I think that would make the points system much more balanced towards the OA having meaning. Now you have a definite separator between first and second. As it should be.
A bigger paycheck.
You're getting caught up with the "overall" term. It's just there for each individual weekend. It's generally thought that winning a 2nd moto is more impressive since it's later in the day and fatigue has set in, and that's why the arbitrary overall is weighted by the 2nd moto finish. But it wouldn't be logical to add an extra point for the 2nd moto. Over the course of a whole season, I think it would be ridiculous to give the championship to a guy who technically had one more bad result than his competitor and otherwise was exactly the same, but his wins came at 4PM instead of 2PM.
In any case you’re looking at things the wrong way. “Overall” is the rider with most points on the day. If there’s a tie the second moto win is the tie breaker - nothing more, nothing less.
In your original scenario the rider with the two point advantage crossed the finish line on average in a better position than the other rider so he’s the winner.
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If they just combined the motos at the end of the day , then awarded points from 1st - 20th at the end of that day , it would solve TX's discussion. What TX mentions in his very first post , does throw a huge wrench into the outcome if that was to ever happen.
So to make sure it never does happen , maybe one day we can just score points at the end of the day.
Will it? I'm not sure , but that does create a great question and a flaw into what could possibly happen. I agree on the " Don't fix things that aren't broken "..........but if what TX said did actually happen , it would NOT be right!
No more, "well his 2nd place finish this moto and his 2nd place finish the first moto, give him the win."
The only thing that’s wonky in motocross and what makes the scenario that OP described strange is that a 2-1 score beats a 1-2 score. It shouldn’t. They should just do away with the concept of overall wins. Pay bonuses based on Moto wins. Break championship ties based on who had more points in second motos, because you have to break championship ties somehow, but you don’t need overall winners each weekend.
If you reward the second Moto more than the first then you could end up with a situation where someone has worse finishes, on average, but a better championship placement. And it adds too much discretion for people to argue about how much more should a second Moto score be worth. No. Too complicated. Keep it simple: 1st place in any Moto gets you the same points as 1st in any other Moto. Most points wins the championship.
But think how many weekends we have where no one makes a gain or loss in championship points. It happens a lot. So the guy standing on the top of the box, the guy who got the bigger paycheck, he didn’t gain a single positive point over the guy to his right who finished second overall.
That’s ultimately the problem.
How the heck do you have an entire weekend of racing and not a single points difference takes place.
Sexton can win the overall and not make up a single point. Or Eli can go on a three week run and win three straight overalls and over that three weeks it’s possible he doesn’t gain even a single point difference between himself and second place overall.
It’s just bizarre scoring. And I do think ultimately it’s confusing.
You have a weekend of racing. And a lot of times not a single points difference in the championship has occurred.
That’s not an anomaly. It happens often.
I agree with you just award points based on overall finish for the day. Or award some additional points to the guys who make the podium.
My scenario obviously is not going to happen. That’s a given. But we do see often week after week races where zero points has changed between first and second place.
Ultimately the Overall is a meanness thing in the points system. But literally EVERYONE else cares about it. Fans, sponsors, riders, your winning stats.
No one has ever counted RC’s “moto” wins. Only his overall wins.
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