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See if you can follow this. Hopefully I did all the math right.
Rider A and Rider B are competing in the motocross nationals.
Round 1, Rider A gets a first and a third for second overall and gets 45 points.
Round 1, Rider B gets a second and a first for first overall and gets 47 points.
Now for the remaining 11 rounds Rider B wins all the first motos and Rider A places second. Rider A wins all of the second motos, Rider B places second, and thus Rider A wins the next 11 overalls.
So the end of the year points would look like this.
Rider A ends season with 562 points and 11 Overall Wins and one second overall.
Rider B ends season with 564 points with 1 Overall win and 11 second overalls.
Rider B wins the championship.
Do you think any additional points should count towards an overall win? Like one point for whoever gets the overall for that weekend?
This points scenario is hypothetical obviously, but seems strange we have a point system that could produce this outcome.
Thoughts?
Rider A and Rider B are competing in the motocross nationals.
Round 1, Rider A gets a first and a third for second overall and gets 45 points.
Round 1, Rider B gets a second and a first for first overall and gets 47 points.
Now for the remaining 11 rounds Rider B wins all the first motos and Rider A places second. Rider A wins all of the second motos, Rider B places second, and thus Rider A wins the next 11 overalls.
So the end of the year points would look like this.
Rider A ends season with 562 points and 11 Overall Wins and one second overall.
Rider B ends season with 564 points with 1 Overall win and 11 second overalls.
Rider B wins the championship.
Do you think any additional points should count towards an overall win? Like one point for whoever gets the overall for that weekend?
This points scenario is hypothetical obviously, but seems strange we have a point system that could produce this outcome.
Thoughts?
If rider A wins the 1st Moto in a '15 Tomac fashion 1 min plus then loses the 2nd Moto in a steel city RD vs RV fashion (less then a second) imo Rider A was the better rider that day. If we feel the need to break the tie:
I think one more point for every position in moto 2 would make the second motos very interesting.
The Shop
2nd moto finish makes endurance, strategy and rising to the higher stakes of the second moto important.
Overall time is complicated and boring.
Something like that so there is an actually benefit of winning the overall.
1. Overall wins really mean nothing. It's the points that count, and being first overall vs second overall when tied on points makes no difference.
2. Points should be awarded for every rider that finishes the moto. There should be incentive for making that pass for 34th vs 35th, as well as finishing vs a DNF. This change might provide more battles throughout the pack.
If any change is needed i think they should go to 30 points 27, 25, 23, 21, 20----1 and pay 25 spots.
When you look at this:
Rider A ends season with 562 points and 11 Overall Wins and one second overall.
Rider B ends season with 564 points with 1 Overall win and 11 second overalls.
To me Rider A should be the championship winner. Lets assume that you give 1 extra point for an overall win. Rider A would win with 573 points vs Rider B who has 565 points.
Current points system does not place any value on the overall which seems strange.
30-27-24-21-19. . . Etc. or something similar
Why do they pay points per moto ? Is it because if some super star blows a motor his season isn't completely wrecked? 1-DNF should be like 25-30th overall. Hard to make up that gap.
I like how amatuer Mx is scored better personally. But maybe there's better reasons for scoring per moto...
With 5 points earned for a win over second, and 9 compared to 3rd, this system rewards race wins far more than the MX system does.
The problem with the MX system is that there isn't enough of a reward for actually winning races. Consistency is rewarded instead, and any rider suffering a DNF finds it really hard to catch up in the points.
Pit Row
So a 1-2 and second overall is the exact same as a 2-1 and first overall according to the points system. How can second equal first? It shouldn't but that's what the points system says.
I do think points should be paid back to 40th. Then remove 250SX points from the equation when determining earned numbers. And then fix the stupid number assigning system.
Ahhhhhhh...........second moto winner breaks the tie, and points towards the Championship come from the overall only.
Make motocross motocross.
It was only 12 points between Villopoto and Dungey in 2011.
14 point difference between Dungey and Roczen in 2014.
but overalls have more to do with the days event not the full season of work. Rider B had all the same finishes except at the first round where rider A had a worse moto.
best way to look at this. THINK of every moto as its own individual race, with this in mind weekends are actually a "Double Header" with two awards, an award for winning an individual race, and an award for best weekend performance.
championships are about earning the most points, overalls are about being the fastest on one weekend
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