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They need to get a better brand pyramid imo. Everyone knows fox goes 180, 360, flex air. Fly should figure out a way to get better...
They need to get a better brand pyramid imo.

Everyone knows fox goes 180, 360, flex air.

Fly should figure out a way to get better brand awareness when it comes to which line is low end, medium and premium.

I can't really argue that. From our perspective, we have so many years of equity into our EVO, Lite, Kinetic, and F-16 lines, we are hoping to keep growing that. Your point is well made, though.
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The kinetic mesh gear is pretty comfortable in the heat, great stuff!
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Sorry for resurrecting this thread, but now that the new stuff is out I have a couple questions.
First, is there a difference between the lite-"hydrogen" and lite-"se"..? If there is, what's the difference?
Second, two part question, how well does the evo stuff keep you cool? And what's the difference between the evo stuff and the lite? Is it material, fit, amount of ventilation, etc?
Let me know, and thanks for all the input so far.
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Noticed that in addition to the original Formula helmet, there's now a Formula CC Primary Helmet. Hard to tell from the descriptions what the differences are....other than the CC Primary is a couple hundred bucks less expensive.

Lotta good looking stuff from Fly. I've been a fan of the hydrogen lite in the past and have been thinking of a Formula helmet ...only now there are two Formula models.

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CR92 wrote:
Sorry for resurrecting this thread, but now that the new stuff is out I have a couple questions. First, is there a difference between the lite-"hydrogen"...
Sorry for resurrecting this thread, but now that the new stuff is out I have a couple questions.
First, is there a difference between the lite-"hydrogen" and lite-"se"..? If there is, what's the difference?
Second, two part question, how well does the evo stuff keep you cool? And what's the difference between the evo stuff and the lite? Is it material, fit, amount of ventilation, etc?
Let me know, and thanks for all the input so far.
I have a set of EVO and several sets of hydrogen lites and the EVO's material is a heavier grade and has a more solid feel to it like it can take more abuse. Both the EVO and Hydrogen are well vented but since the hydrogen feels more like silk pajamas compared to the EVO...the hydrogen seems cooler to me. Both versions are quality stuff and hard to pick one above the other but I tend to lean towards the hydrogen due to feeling more light and comfortable. Comes down to person preference for the pants...light feeling and comfy or a heavier more protective feel.
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mooch wrote:
Noticed that in addition to the original Formula helmet, there's now a Formula CC Primary Helmet. Hard to tell from the descriptions what the differences are....other...
Noticed that in addition to the original Formula helmet, there's now a Formula CC Primary Helmet. Hard to tell from the descriptions what the differences are....other than the CC Primary is a couple hundred bucks less expensive.

Lotta good looking stuff from Fly. I've been a fan of the hydrogen lite in the past and have been thinking of a Formula helmet ...only now there are two Formula models.
The CC is a carbon composite weave instead of the 12k carbon. 50 grams heavier. Same protection. Cheaper to produce.
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The Kinetic Mesh is their vented stuff. I have the 2020 and love it. Comfortable and breathes pretty damn good, especially with the heat out here.
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mooch wrote:
Noticed that in addition to the original Formula helmet, there's now a Formula CC Primary Helmet. Hard to tell from the descriptions what the differences are....other...
Noticed that in addition to the original Formula helmet, there's now a Formula CC Primary Helmet. Hard to tell from the descriptions what the differences are....other than the CC Primary is a couple hundred bucks less expensive.

Lotta good looking stuff from Fly. I've been a fan of the hydrogen lite in the past and have been thinking of a Formula helmet ...only now there are two Formula models.
Skuzzy29 wrote:
The CC is a carbon composite weave instead of the 12k carbon. 50 grams heavier. Same protection. Cheaper to produce.
I just tried a cc on back to back with a 2020 formula carbon. They look almost identical but the fit on the cc is just slightly looser. I also tried on the new Alpinestars sm5 and it fit bad compared to the m8/m10. It was tight to put in and then loose once I had it on.
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JT: I love how the Fly pants have room for knee braces. I noticed the jersey's don't leave room for elbow pads/cups. for example I have to buy jersey's 1-2 sizes larger to accommodate my elbow pads. Has any thought been put into this or am I an extreme minority?

Thanks.
8/1/2020 1:31pm
I have been a Fox guy for some time and ordered a set of 360 gear recently. Did not fit like my older 360 gear at all and I returned it. I ordered a set of Evo gear and was so happy with the initial first and comfort! I have one ride day at a track and was very pleased with how natural it felt.
I have been a fan of JT$ on Pulp and MXGP commentary that it was nice to support the Fly Team. I can’t remember having such current gear that the pro riders were wearing my color way at SLC!
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8/1/2020 3:13pm Edited Date/Time 8/1/2020 3:14pm
Do_Work wrote:
JT: I love how the Fly pants have room for knee braces. I noticed the jersey's don't leave room for elbow pads/cups. for example I have...
JT: I love how the Fly pants have room for knee braces. I noticed the jersey's don't leave room for elbow pads/cups. for example I have to buy jersey's 1-2 sizes larger to accommodate my elbow pads. Has any thought been put into this or am I an extreme minority?

Thanks.
I have noticed the same thing but I was already going up a size to fit a chest protector under the jersey. What kind of elbow pads are you using?
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CR92 wrote:
Sorry for resurrecting this thread, but now that the new stuff is out I have a couple questions. First, is there a difference between the lite-"hydrogen"...
Sorry for resurrecting this thread, but now that the new stuff is out I have a couple questions.
First, is there a difference between the lite-"hydrogen" and lite-"se"..? If there is, what's the difference?
Second, two part question, how well does the evo stuff keep you cool? And what's the difference between the evo stuff and the lite? Is it material, fit, amount of ventilation, etc?
Let me know, and thanks for all the input so far.
They dropped the ‘hydrogen’ name for ‘21. The Lite and Lite SE are the same gear, SE stands for ‘Special Edition’ gear, just a limited colorway I believe.

Evo and lite are both top of the line I’d say with different purposes. The Lite gear is super vented, super light weight, pants weigh in at less than a lb I believe. No zipper on the pants, slip on sweat pant style and tighten using the boa system on the front.

Evo line is more traditional style gear with high end stretch fabrics, boa system and traditional zipper and ratchet as well.
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8/1/2020 6:25pm Edited Date/Time 8/1/2020 6:26pm
CR92 wrote:
Sorry for resurrecting this thread, but now that the new stuff is out I have a couple questions. First, is there a difference between the lite-"hydrogen"...
Sorry for resurrecting this thread, but now that the new stuff is out I have a couple questions.
First, is there a difference between the lite-"hydrogen" and lite-"se"..? If there is, what's the difference?
Second, two part question, how well does the evo stuff keep you cool? And what's the difference between the evo stuff and the lite? Is it material, fit, amount of ventilation, etc?
Let me know, and thanks for all the input so far.
On the Lite and Lite SE (special edition), they are the same construction, just a different graphic to add options. We dropped the “hydrogen” designation to make life a little easier.

On the Formula and Formula CC, they also share the same technology and protection. The cost savings are possible in the CC by using a carbon composite shell (CC) instead of the full 12K carbon shell. The 12K Carbon is a very expensive upgrade and also why you don’t see many brands use that spec. Our long term goal is to make RHEON technology available to every customer, regardless of budget.
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CR92 wrote:
Sorry for resurrecting this thread, but now that the new stuff is out I have a couple questions. First, is there a difference between the lite-"hydrogen"...
Sorry for resurrecting this thread, but now that the new stuff is out I have a couple questions.
First, is there a difference between the lite-"hydrogen" and lite-"se"..? If there is, what's the difference?
Second, two part question, how well does the evo stuff keep you cool? And what's the difference between the evo stuff and the lite? Is it material, fit, amount of ventilation, etc?
Let me know, and thanks for all the input so far.
Jt$ wrote:
On the Lite and Lite SE (special edition), they are the same construction, just a different graphic to add options. We dropped the “hydrogen” designation to...
On the Lite and Lite SE (special edition), they are the same construction, just a different graphic to add options. We dropped the “hydrogen” designation to make life a little easier.

On the Formula and Formula CC, they also share the same technology and protection. The cost savings are possible in the CC by using a carbon composite shell (CC) instead of the full 12K carbon shell. The 12K Carbon is a very expensive upgrade and also why you don’t see many brands use that spec. Our long term goal is to make RHEON technology available to every customer, regardless of budget.
Any plans to make the Formula CC in more Youth Sizes, looks like the same as the formula at the moment and only available in Youth large, which is pretty much the same size at an Adult XS.

Spent a few hours Friday night looking around at helmets for my Son, he is nine and still runs a Youth Small, though might finally be time for a Youth M.

There are very limited options for a good high quality light weight helmet or upper end helmet, and just about nothing in the mid range helmet price / range.

Its pretty much the generic $100-$199 base helmet with MIPS or straight to the 6D, which is a great helmet, though a little heavy, its near impossible to find a Kids small / medium helmet that is lighter than most of the Adult carbon helmets, my Formula is lighter than his helmet.
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aaryn #234 wrote:
Any plans to make the Formula CC in more Youth Sizes, looks like the same as the formula at the moment and only available in Youth...
Any plans to make the Formula CC in more Youth Sizes, looks like the same as the formula at the moment and only available in Youth large, which is pretty much the same size at an Adult XS.

Spent a few hours Friday night looking around at helmets for my Son, he is nine and still runs a Youth Small, though might finally be time for a Youth M.

There are very limited options for a good high quality light weight helmet or upper end helmet, and just about nothing in the mid range helmet price / range.

Its pretty much the generic $100-$199 base helmet with MIPS or straight to the 6D, which is a great helmet, though a little heavy, its near impossible to find a Kids small / medium helmet that is lighter than most of the Adult carbon helmets, my Formula is lighter than his helmet.
We offer optional liner and cheek pads to downsize the YL into a YM and YS. So, you’d order the YL helmet and then these are the part numbers to customize.

YS cheek pad: 73-47222YS
YS Liner: 73-47220YS

YM cheek pad: 73-47222YM
YM liner: 73-47220YM
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aaryn #234 wrote:
Any plans to make the Formula CC in more Youth Sizes, looks like the same as the formula at the moment and only available in Youth...
Any plans to make the Formula CC in more Youth Sizes, looks like the same as the formula at the moment and only available in Youth large, which is pretty much the same size at an Adult XS.

Spent a few hours Friday night looking around at helmets for my Son, he is nine and still runs a Youth Small, though might finally be time for a Youth M.

There are very limited options for a good high quality light weight helmet or upper end helmet, and just about nothing in the mid range helmet price / range.

Its pretty much the generic $100-$199 base helmet with MIPS or straight to the 6D, which is a great helmet, though a little heavy, its near impossible to find a Kids small / medium helmet that is lighter than most of the Adult carbon helmets, my Formula is lighter than his helmet.
Jt$ wrote:
We offer optional liner and cheek pads to downsize the YL into a YM and YS. So, you’d order the YL helmet and then these are...
We offer optional liner and cheek pads to downsize the YL into a YM and YS. So, you’d order the YL helmet and then these are the part numbers to customize.

YS cheek pad: 73-47222YS
YS Liner: 73-47220YS

YM cheek pad: 73-47222YM
YM liner: 73-47220YM
Awesome Cheers JT
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I also wear Fly Racing outerwear during the winter. They have stepped it up in the last couple years to be an industry leader in performance and quality. The outerwear uses Sympatex for insulation, so it’s extremely lightweight and waterproof/breathable. They also have a full line of heated gloves, which is a game changer in the winter. Their lightweight snocross gear is cool too, the front of the jersey is waterproof and wind proof, after a full race I’m not soaking wet anymore.
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I just ordered what is now the previous line of Lite and Evo. All I can say is wow, it’s so good. The boa is incredible. I can’t wait to get my hands on the new Lite pants with the front boa system. I will say the kinetic line is durable and fits well but can’t hold a candle to the upper two lines IMO.
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I just ordered what is now the previous line of Lite and Evo. All I can say is wow, it’s so good. The boa is incredible...
I just ordered what is now the previous line of Lite and Evo. All I can say is wow, it’s so good. The boa is incredible. I can’t wait to get my hands on the new Lite pants with the front boa system. I will say the kinetic line is durable and fits well but can’t hold a candle to the upper two lines IMO.
Which of those top two lines would be better for woods/GNCC type riding?
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I just ordered what is now the previous line of Lite and Evo. All I can say is wow, it’s so good. The boa is incredible...
I just ordered what is now the previous line of Lite and Evo. All I can say is wow, it’s so good. The boa is incredible. I can’t wait to get my hands on the new Lite pants with the front boa system. I will say the kinetic line is durable and fits well but can’t hold a candle to the upper two lines IMO.
wrc777 wrote:
Which of those top two lines would be better for woods/GNCC type riding?
Our GNCC guys wear both (Strang, Duvall, etc) but many prefer the Lite for racing. Being that light helps for 3 hour races. On a durability level, the EVO-DST has an edge so that might be a factor to consider. In my opinion, it really comes down to what your priority is between ultimate durability (EVO-DST), super lightweight and stretch (Lite) or superior heat management (Kinetic Mesh).
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I have been wearing the Mesh for warm weather and the standard Kinetic for when it is cooler since it seems almost indestructible. The mesh stretches a lot better though so I don't know if I will like the Kinetic as much since I am used to the mesh now. I will need a new cool weather set before too long. Sounds like DST would be the way to go for that?
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How does the DST fit size wise? Similar to Kinetic or tighter? No one carries it around here so I cannot try it on.
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What are the quad guys going to tie there tether switch to with out a zipper and the boa system in the front?????
Hammy is going to be pissed !!!!!!
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Im from spain and i bought 6 years or 7 ago a fly f2 helmet and two sets of gear, one fly f16 and one fly lite and they are incredible and very durable.
Im waiting the new line and maybe i will buy some sets.
Congratulations JT for your great work man!
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A little late to this party, but I’ll add my .02. I’ve been wearing Fly gear the last couple years and love it-with the exception of the gloves. Every pair of Fly gloves I’ve tried worked fine, but had stitching come apart in short order in various places. I’ve got a well-used set of O’Neal gloves from years ago that are still going strong other than being faded, etc.
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wrc777 wrote:
How does the DST fit size wise? Similar to Kinetic or tighter? No one carries it around here so I cannot try it on.
It's a more athletic cut than Kinetic but not as slim as Lite. Every line is cut a little differently to try to offer something for everyone.
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They need to get a better brand pyramid imo. Everyone knows fox goes 180, 360, flex air. Fly should figure out a way to get better...
They need to get a better brand pyramid imo.

Everyone knows fox goes 180, 360, flex air.

Fly should figure out a way to get better brand awareness when it comes to which line is low end, medium and premium.

Jt$ wrote:
I can't really argue that. From our perspective, we have so many years of equity into our EVO, Lite, Kinetic, and F-16 lines, we are hoping...
I can't really argue that. From our perspective, we have so many years of equity into our EVO, Lite, Kinetic, and F-16 lines, we are hoping to keep growing that. Your point is well made, though.
I agree with this to a certain extent, but you guys aren't exactly a pyramid. I've been following Fly for years and years, and owned a few sets, but hearing you explain it on the Pulp show last week or whenever that was made some light bulbs go off. Price point is pretty obvious, but things like differences in fit, durability, weight, etc are hard to see just from reading the specs.

Don't try to force them into a hierarchy, that's not you. Instead, focus on helping the consumer not just get into Fly gear, but get into the right fly gear for them. Look at how shoe companies help you sort through their product line using "best for" filters and side-by-side comparisons.

For example, take a look at the first thing you see when you click on the Lite gear:

New Lightweight 4 stretch fabric with minimalist design
Mesh panels on back of knee, hips and lower leg
Low profile stretch leg cuffs with removable elastic band
NEW All 4 way stretch panel construction for maximum comfort and movement
Leather heat shield panels with DuPont™ Kevlar® stitching
The Boa® System, now moved to the front of the waistline, offers the fastest, most convenient on-the-fly micro waist adjustability of any MX pants on the market today
Ergonomically pre-shaped knee accommodates most knee braces and guards
Full-Floating seat surrounded by stretch material moves naturally with your body

By comparison, check out on-running and how they focus on telling you what the shoes is designed for and a few key attributes before going into the functionality. Or look at how Fox created a page on their site called Racewear Guide

The lightweight 4-way stretch fabric, low profile leg cuffs, etc on the new Lite line are all great, but most people won't know what that means. You guys have the lightest pant on the market, and that's buried deep in the site.

Huge fan of Fly Racing Jason, just trying to help give you another consumer's POV. Keep up the great work.
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JT$$$ is the F2 carbon helmet gone for 21 and on?
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Jt$ wrote:
You could consider me a huge fan of this entire concept.
Hey, question for you. Is there anyway/anywhere that I can get this set of gear in a medium jersey and 7/8 pant? My wife for the first time since she was a kid is enjoying riding again, particularly motocross tracks, and she really really likes this gear.
With our anniversary being next week I was planning on buying it as a gift, but It seems it is sold out everywhere I've looked, in her size.
I don't suppose you know of anything/anywhere I could get a hold of a set in her size?
Please let me know.



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DiddyDaddy wrote:
JT$$$ is the F2 carbon helmet gone for 21 and on?
It is.
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