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Sketch out your art in photoshop or illustrator. Make a mock template by placing a bike on a background layer of your art.
Then send your art file to any of the graphic companies and they will line it up so it prints.
If you are going to print it yourself, you should have the wits about you to make a template. At one point you have to evaluate the cheapness of doing it yourself against just paying for the correct size.
If you are looking to do this as a project she can probably give you some info.
If you are thinking of actually making graphics you may want to consider the fact that there is a special printer used for making those as well Nate.
The Shop
Tracing paper, double sided scotch tape, a pencil. A ruler, digital camera, Corel Draw. Those are the tools you need.
I posted a link to a website where he can get the templates on page1 of the thread.
Graphics companies have to pay for the templates so very few of 'em want to give them away.
Maybe some folks feel like it isn't "helping" someone to rip off something that legit companies have to pay for or work for like SteveS mentioned.
By the way, Nate, the template IS software. It's a computer file, created by someone as part of his way of making a living. The ones which are for sale come with a license agreement that it cannot be resold or otherwise distributed. If someone creates a template himself and is willing to give away the fruits of his half day of labor (or more), skill, and knowledge, then that's up to him.
Have I ever let someone use one of my templates? Yes, I have let an established customer of mine use one to create his own design. And I have sent one to a friend who has his own graphics shop in another state (who has also sent me one I needed in the past). In each case, the use of the template wasn't free. One person had already paid to have me make the graphics. The other traded me his own work for the use of mine.
I wouldn't be particularly interested in letting someone I don't have any other relationship with have the file and then see it reproduced on Vital, sent to friends, posted on a file sharing site, sold on eBay or Craigslist.
And what kid in NY are you talking about having everyone covered?
I understand why graphics companies would not want to give away what they are trying to sell. I saw your link where you said he could buy it, but in his post you must not have read the words "free" that is a word in English, must have missed that one apparently.
Maybe some folks should worry less about stuff like that and not get their panties in a bunch over it. Is it wrong if someone looks up the torque specs or tightening sequences or cable routing for their bike online so they can do their own work on it instead of buying a manual that LEGIT companies paid and worked for or since the work is being done by the owner of the bike, the LEGIT companies and dealerships wont make money off the work because he is on a budget and doing it himself.
But I bet Mitch Payton doesn't give away his cylinder porting specs, intake and exhaust porting specs, suspension settings, etc.
That would have been the part where I said "Not going to find much for free Nate".
By the way....I'm not the guy that misspelled college....that was someone else, so maybe you should get a refund on some of that money you spent for school.
And all those torque specs and other things that go in the manual are paid for and listed by the companies that own the copyright.....thus giving them the right to display it for free.
If the owner of the copyright wants to distribute the material online for free that is their business.
We tend not to want to give that away.
Just like Mitch Payton is selling performance modifications on motors and suspension. He doesn't want to give away his hard-earned specifications and settings so that others can do his modification work or let other people know what he does. He wants to sell the modification work himself.
And a 2005 KX125/250 is the newest 2 stroke Kawasaki template available. It's still an active product in our shop. The bike is popular in Schoolboy and in amateur 250 class racing.
Well good, glad you don't misspell simple words like other members.
They are paid for and listed in their respective manuals by the companies that own the copyright...that's very good, but not relevant to what I was even saying. Often times it's not the copyright owners displaying the numbers or data, it will be a forum user or other individual sharing copyrighted data with others, so is this wrong? He is allowing someone to do the work to their own bike by providing something free for them, or is it ok since it's not graphics related?
I see the point you are trying to make, but at the same time he shouldn't be given all this shit because he's trying to do something on his own on a budget.
You think Mitch Payton gets pissed when some person gets free performance engine specs from someone else that the person asked? He didn't lose a customer, because that person was not trying to "BUY" his engine service in the first place, so there's no need for it.
I don't work for a graphics company so the link I sent him was the best info I had to help him find a template.
The topic has been discussed on here many times and that company is the best link according to most responses.
So I was providing him the best solution for what he wanted since free is a rare occurence for graphics templates.
Don't mistake the fact that people are posting things on the net to mean it is OK....sometimes it isn't.
Anyone that displays copyrighted material on the internet without proper permission is violating the law.
Someone posting a spec to help out another person isn't profiting from that transaction so it could be considered "fair use of information."
If that same person sold a manual with the spec in it then they would be in violation.
SteveS is right on the money when it comes to the templates for graphics.......they are costly to design and they are the property of the person who designed them.
When you steal that design you are effectively stealing from that person or company.
Lastly....I actually know the OP and would say the same thing to him if we were standing next to each other at the track.
Received it just a few minutes after submitting the payment.
Just be sure you have a vector based program as the file youll receive is an eps file. Photoshop will open eps files, but that's not really its specialty.
Pit Row
A blank template isn't like any of Mitch's secrets, but $35 isn't anywhere near what Payton charges for the application of those secrets either. Funny nobody would be defending shoplifting $35 worth of merchandise from a store and comparing it to shoplifting $1,000 worth.
The goverment,Payton,motor rebuilds,for real over some program.(Post #2 and this was done?)
If you think that the shops who give them away won't be hurt by their actions, then ask yourself why they're not out there for free and easy to find. Once a person who has no experience has designed their graphics, the next thing they do is to go around every sign shop in their town and find the lowest price to get them printed. They don't care who gave them the template. They're on a budget.
They have no idea that they require a special vinyl that has an adhesive that sticks to the low surface energy plastics and is solvent resistant. They wind up with a crappy laminate that won't hold up even as long as the wrong adhesive they've chosen. Their colors are weak and don't come anywhere close to matching the bike plastic, etc. Once they have their file on a memory stick it's all about who's cheapest and most sign shops have no idea about the special requirements to do MX graphics properly. They will be cheaper for sure because the materials they use will be the wrong ones. The right ones aren't cheap and they get billed out accordingly. These same small shops won't be willing to bring in the right materials because between the vinyl and the laminate you're looking at well over $1800 for full rolls of each (54" 12 mil laminate and 6 mil vinyl).
Also factor in that most shops that do understand this, will probably hit you up for an artwork charge that will be equal to the cost of the template or possibly much more. They'll need to impose all your individual pieces onto a single sheet, or you'll pay through the nose for all the wastage when you print them individually.
But hey, go out and make your own mistakes. See what you wind up with. It's not rocket science, but there's more to it than you realize.
I've been an artist all of my life, and I got my start by drawing custom helmet paint jobs. I spent a while coming up with what I thought was the perfect blank helmet template and my mom took it to work and made me about a hundred photocopies.
If Vital would have been around and would've given me this shitty advice I guess I would've just sent my own helmet off to get painted rather than have countless hours of fun making hundreds of different designs.
I myself don't even have an mx bike anymore (it got sold to fund my flight training), but I still have some templates on my computer and I still design graphics just for the fun of it... nobody runs them, nobody ever sees them, and they never get made... but I have fun doing it.
Quit trying to sell the kid shit and let him have his fun!
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