RC picks his MXON dream team

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All the JS7 haters are gonna be pissed lol. Straight from the GOAT himself. You guys can just take a seat right over there. Red Bud is a great choice as well. Also kinda shows where the RV vs RD conversation is at as well. The best rider of all time believes that Him then Bubba and RV are the 3 greatest mx riders. Id agree. Whos opinion in here is more valuable than this?
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H4L 12/10/2017 3:37pm
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Agree with the GOAT on the 3 top riders.
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These are MXDN picks not just the best US MX riders, that point does matter, especially for Dungey. He was a let down many years riding for USA. I like his picks, but for me you have to look back further than that. Hard to beat Wardy for a spot on the team.
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Hes not a us rider though.
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drt410 12/10/2017 4:08pm
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Bman_145 wrote:
These are MXDN picks not just the best US MX riders, that point does matter, especially for Dungey. He was a let down many years riding...
These are MXDN picks not just the best US MX riders, that point does matter, especially for Dungey. He was a let down many years riding for USA. I like his picks, but for me you have to look back further than that. Hard to beat Wardy for a spot on the team.
Different era, different training and technique. Plugging in the old Jeff Ward today he would get smoked.
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kzizok 12/10/2017 4:18pm
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He said during his era or "any dream team". O'Mara would be hard to leave out.
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Bman_145 wrote:
These are MXDN picks not just the best US MX riders, that point does matter, especially for Dungey. He was a let down many years riding...
These are MXDN picks not just the best US MX riders, that point does matter, especially for Dungey. He was a let down many years riding for USA. I like his picks, but for me you have to look back further than that. Hard to beat Wardy for a spot on the team.
drt410 wrote:
Different era, different training and technique. Plugging in the old Jeff Ward today he would get smoked.
I agree. Current day riders would
Smoke the older riders.
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drt410 wrote:
Hes not a us rider though.
Yeah, but did you know he is quite fast?
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newmann 12/10/2017 4:27pm
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Bman_145 wrote:
These are MXDN picks not just the best US MX riders, that point does matter, especially for Dungey. He was a let down many years riding...
These are MXDN picks not just the best US MX riders, that point does matter, especially for Dungey. He was a let down many years riding for USA. I like his picks, but for me you have to look back further than that. Hard to beat Wardy for a spot on the team.
drt410 wrote:
Different era, different training and technique. Plugging in the old Jeff Ward today he would get smoked.
TheOriginalPancakee wrote:
I agree. Current day riders would
Smoke the older riders.
LMAO. Take a current rider back to 1981 and plop their ass on the line at the MXdN on a 500cc 2 stroke and watch the hilarity ensue.
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drt410 12/10/2017 4:40pm
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Were not talking about that though... I didnt say Wardy sucks, at all. Hes one of the best of all time. Im just saying picking a team of these riders you would take them in their prime, no? Ward in his prime vs RC JS or RV in their prime would be 0 contest. Like I said different eras, different training, different technique. For his time period Ward was an absolute beast. You ride for your time period. These riders were recent and mx was completely different. Im not saying he sucks Im saying theres never a point in time that he was ever close to their speed so how would it work? All of them in their primes even probably the top 20 today would blow him out of the water, its not his fault.

Wards a legend he just rode in a different era where the sport was completely different. To me that takes nothing away from him and we guage riders off how they did in their time and hes a legend. The sport has just changed a lot at no fault of his own. Like I said we guage riders off how they rode in their time and thats why hell always be one of the greatest. Doesnt mean hes even minutely close to the podium now or any time back to the mid 90s. Doesnt taint his legacy at all. Even though these 3 were different "eras" they all raced eachother and overlapped careers so theyre all comparable and their top speed still translates to today. Were not far enough away yet.
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RC, Bubba and Villo, it's like a royal flush on flop. Agree with him.

JMC at Jerez was impressive for me.
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kkawboy14 12/10/2017 4:45pm
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If those 3 guys went they would sell 40,000 tickets!
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kzizok 12/10/2017 4:51pm
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Era wasnt a qualifer. RC said "any dream team". Keep in mind this is for MXON. O'Mara's MXON performance may be the greatest ever, in US history.

At the end of the day, this is a broken logic scenario in the first place. Too many varibles with apples vs. oranges to ever have a logical answer.
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The best team ever was Bailey 500, Johnson 250, Omara 125.
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Acidreamer 12/10/2017 5:17pm
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For an outdoor race yea who else even compares to those 3? Nobody.
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Whymee 12/10/2017 5:41pm
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Being serious here:

Why don't Ricky Charmichael, James Stewart and Ryan Villopoto come out of retirement and race these Euros on our own soil next fall? Do not say that is is not possible. It is possible. Probable? That is another subject...

Why not? Will not be expected to win. Huge draw. What if they were in contention leading into the last moto. My god, that would be epic. Probably the most exciting event I would witness in person for the rest of my life.

Ryan Dungey can be warming up in the bull pen if one of the three goes down & cannot compete in the event.

Train like a mother, enter some nationals as a warm up...

Oh, and ride 2 strokes. (optional)

I would donate to that cause.

Somebody have their cell numbers? I will get it done...

Dammit this Peyote is wearing off. I gots to go replentish...

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Whymee wrote:
Being serious here: Why don't Ricky Charmichael, James Stewart and Ryan Villopoto come out of retirement and race these Euros on our own soil next fall...
Being serious here:

Why don't Ricky Charmichael, James Stewart and Ryan Villopoto come out of retirement and race these Euros on our own soil next fall? Do not say that is is not possible. It is possible. Probable? That is another subject...

Why not? Will not be expected to win. Huge draw. What if they were in contention leading into the last moto. My god, that would be epic. Probably the most exciting event I would witness in person for the rest of my life.

Ryan Dungey can be warming up in the bull pen if one of the three goes down & cannot compete in the event.

Train like a mother, enter some nationals as a warm up...

Oh, and ride 2 strokes. (optional)

I would donate to that cause.

Somebody have their cell numbers? I will get it done...

Dammit this Peyote is wearing off. I gots to go replentish...
Switch to shrooms, they last longer
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crf250pilot 12/10/2017 6:59pm
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UpTiTe wrote:
The best team ever was Bailey 500, Johnson 250, Omara 125.
And all on the same bikes, That was Epic!
TheOriginalPancakee 12/10/2017 7:01pm
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Whymee wrote:
Being serious here: Why don't Ricky Charmichael, James Stewart and Ryan Villopoto come out of retirement and race these Euros on our own soil next fall...
Being serious here:

Why don't Ricky Charmichael, James Stewart and Ryan Villopoto come out of retirement and race these Euros on our own soil next fall? Do not say that is is not possible. It is possible. Probable? That is another subject...

Why not? Will not be expected to win. Huge draw. What if they were in contention leading into the last moto. My god, that would be epic. Probably the most exciting event I would witness in person for the rest of my life.

Ryan Dungey can be warming up in the bull pen if one of the three goes down & cannot compete in the event.

Train like a mother, enter some nationals as a warm up...

Oh, and ride 2 strokes. (optional)

I would donate to that cause.

Somebody have their cell numbers? I will get it done...

Dammit this Peyote is wearing off. I gots to go replentish...
Wtf did I just read
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starchild 12/10/2017 7:09pm
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UpTiTe wrote:
The best team ever was Bailey 500, Johnson 250, Omara 125.
Absolutely!
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drt410 12/10/2017 7:14pm
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kzizok wrote:
Era wasnt a qualifer. RC said "any dream team". Keep in mind this is for MXON. O'Mara's MXON performance may be the greatest ever, in US...
Era wasnt a qualifer. RC said "any dream team". Keep in mind this is for MXON. O'Mara's MXON performance may be the greatest ever, in US history.

At the end of the day, this is a broken logic scenario in the first place. Too many varibles with apples vs. oranges to ever have a logical answer.
It can be quantified though that riders are faster today (with lap times), train more, and ride with better form and technique. Nobody is taking anything away from anyone, the fact just is that riders are faster today and train much harder to be at a higher level than those guys were. I would imagine that the waaaay better trained 3 riders mentioned that have better technique developed over decades of trial and error would still beat them back in the day as well. That is something that nobody will ever know but you really think JS7 couldn't hold on to some 1980s Honda 250 when he could seat bounce larocco's leap first lap on a 125? You think they would beat RC as well? I reaaaallly doubt it but that is something that well never know. Just watching those guys its pretty clear though, but again Im not taking anything away from them they dominated in the era they were in with the form that was used and the training methods that were required to win at the time. The sport just progressed and riders got better, thats true of any sport. I don't see how the argument makes sense the other way tbh, IMO those 3 would beat the absolute brakes off of all of those riders but thats my opinion. They were just better because they rode in a better era...so they're better, and Id say on any equipment as well.
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drt410 wrote:
It can be quantified though that riders are faster today (with lap times), train more, and ride with better form and technique. Nobody is taking anything...
It can be quantified though that riders are faster today (with lap times), train more, and ride with better form and technique. Nobody is taking anything away from anyone, the fact just is that riders are faster today and train much harder to be at a higher level than those guys were. I would imagine that the waaaay better trained 3 riders mentioned that have better technique developed over decades of trial and error would still beat them back in the day as well. That is something that nobody will ever know but you really think JS7 couldn't hold on to some 1980s Honda 250 when he could seat bounce larocco's leap first lap on a 125? You think they would beat RC as well? I reaaaallly doubt it but that is something that well never know. Just watching those guys its pretty clear though, but again Im not taking anything away from them they dominated in the era they were in with the form that was used and the training methods that were required to win at the time. The sport just progressed and riders got better, thats true of any sport. I don't see how the argument makes sense the other way tbh, IMO those 3 would beat the absolute brakes off of all of those riders but thats my opinion. They were just better because they rode in a better era...so they're better, and Id say on any equipment as well.
No question they are going faster . But I think you underestimate the training that went on at least in the 80s.
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I'm with RC on this one! ??
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kzizok wrote:
Era wasnt a qualifer. RC said "any dream team". Keep in mind this is for MXON. O'Mara's MXON performance may be the greatest ever, in US...
Era wasnt a qualifer. RC said "any dream team". Keep in mind this is for MXON. O'Mara's MXON performance may be the greatest ever, in US history.

At the end of the day, this is a broken logic scenario in the first place. Too many varibles with apples vs. oranges to ever have a logical answer.
drt410 wrote:
It can be quantified though that riders are faster today (with lap times), train more, and ride with better form and technique. Nobody is taking anything...
It can be quantified though that riders are faster today (with lap times), train more, and ride with better form and technique. Nobody is taking anything away from anyone, the fact just is that riders are faster today and train much harder to be at a higher level than those guys were. I would imagine that the waaaay better trained 3 riders mentioned that have better technique developed over decades of trial and error would still beat them back in the day as well. That is something that nobody will ever know but you really think JS7 couldn't hold on to some 1980s Honda 250 when he could seat bounce larocco's leap first lap on a 125? You think they would beat RC as well? I reaaaallly doubt it but that is something that well never know. Just watching those guys its pretty clear though, but again Im not taking anything away from them they dominated in the era they were in with the form that was used and the training methods that were required to win at the time. The sport just progressed and riders got better, thats true of any sport. I don't see how the argument makes sense the other way tbh, IMO those 3 would beat the absolute brakes off of all of those riders but thats my opinion. They were just better because they rode in a better era...so they're better, and Id say on any equipment as well.
Every few years there is a new crop of riders that advance the sport. They grow up watching and emulating the best.
They fine tune technique and develop new techniques. However because we have gone through several evolutions of the sport I find it hard to believe anybody would say (picking a random rider with some current success) Davi Milsaps is better than mcgrath. Even so MC was from a past era.
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drt410 wrote:
Different era, different training and technique. Plugging in the old Jeff Ward today he would get smoked.
TheOriginalPancakee wrote:
I agree. Current day riders would
Smoke the older riders.
newmann wrote:
LMAO. Take a current rider back to 1981 and plop their ass on the line at the MXdN on a 500cc 2 stroke and watch the...
LMAO. Take a current rider back to 1981 and plop their ass on the line at the MXdN on a 500cc 2 stroke and watch the hilarity ensue.
I'm pretty sure they'd do just fine.
stillgonnagreaseit 12/10/2017 8:52pm
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Whymee wrote:
Being serious here: Why don't Ricky Charmichael, James Stewart and Ryan Villopoto come out of retirement and race these Euros on our own soil next fall...
Being serious here:

Why don't Ricky Charmichael, James Stewart and Ryan Villopoto come out of retirement and race these Euros on our own soil next fall? Do not say that is is not possible. It is possible. Probable? That is another subject...

Why not? Will not be expected to win. Huge draw. What if they were in contention leading into the last moto. My god, that would be epic. Probably the most exciting event I would witness in person for the rest of my life.

Ryan Dungey can be warming up in the bull pen if one of the three goes down & cannot compete in the event.

Train like a mother, enter some nationals as a warm up...

Oh, and ride 2 strokes. (optional)

I would donate to that cause.

Somebody have their cell numbers? I will get it done...

Dammit this Peyote is wearing off. I gots to go replentish...
What makes people post this kind of crap? Think of the wasted time. Damn.
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