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RalphS wrote:
Reading between lines DF14 on a 450 Star Yami next year.
DonM wrote:
The other Star rider that's pointing out will be.....
Glad to read that! KTM running DF & CW is scary. Wonder where that leaves MM.
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6/15/2020 1:33pm
MCR needs to cut ties with Hill and Vince and BTO needs to cut ties with Bogle (bunch of potential but too injury prone).

I think it’d be awesome to see Malcolm on the third HRC bike if they have one.
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RalphS wrote:
Reading between lines DF14 on a 450 Star Yami next year.
DonM wrote:
The other Star rider that's pointing out will be.....
tek14 wrote:
DF14 to Factory KTM.
Not necessarily....time will tell...
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I wouldn't want race the yam at top flight if i'm moving up judging how Webb and AP have done on it, plus others before them. Great stock bike for normal guys but i don't know what happens when it goes to top level. Id go KTM route
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RalphS wrote:
Reading between lines DF14 on a 450 Star Yami next year.
DonM wrote:
The other Star rider that's pointing out will be.....
RalphS wrote:
Glad to read that! KTM running DF & CW is scary. Wonder where that leaves MM.
Leaves him on Factory KTM. His contract runs through the end of 2021.
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DonM wrote:
The other Star rider that's pointing out will be.....
RalphS wrote:
Glad to read that! KTM running DF & CW is scary. Wonder where that leaves MM.
-MAVERICK- wrote:
Leaves him on Factory KTM. His contract runs through the end of 2021.
Yup, and I dont think KTM will field 3 riders....happy to be proven wrong
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I could see HRC giving Brayton a SX only deal when his season down under is over, I could see Sexton getting hurt adapting to the 450, I don’t want to see that but it’s a real possibility.
Hill gets cut and has no ride. As an Oregon guy I don’t want to see that happen but he seems distracted and pulling a hill.
Plessinger is lucky if he has another year on his contract. Dudes a great rider obviously, not sure if it’s the Yamaha he’s having troubles with or if it’s just the 450 that he’s not adapting to? I can see Barcia staying at Yamaha, who can they get that’s better? If the 13 and 14 are staying Star on 450’s then Barcias a no brainer.
Marvin will stay KTM, I can’t see them cutting him. The guy is a race winner especially outdoors.

Ferrandis is the hot commodity coming out of the 250s.....I think he will have an immediate impact on the 450s

What’s up with JGR? Gas Gas? Kawi’s??
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BigDaddyG wrote:
I could see HRC giving Brayton a SX only deal when his season down under is over, I could see Sexton getting hurt adapting to the...
I could see HRC giving Brayton a SX only deal when his season down under is over, I could see Sexton getting hurt adapting to the 450, I don’t want to see that but it’s a real possibility.
Hill gets cut and has no ride. As an Oregon guy I don’t want to see that happen but he seems distracted and pulling a hill.
Plessinger is lucky if he has another year on his contract. Dudes a great rider obviously, not sure if it’s the Yamaha he’s having troubles with or if it’s just the 450 that he’s not adapting to? I can see Barcia staying at Yamaha, who can they get that’s better? If the 13 and 14 are staying Star on 450’s then Barcias a no brainer.
Marvin will stay KTM, I can’t see them cutting him. The guy is a race winner especially outdoors.

Ferrandis is the hot commodity coming out of the 250s.....I think he will have an immediate impact on the 450s

What’s up with JGR? Gas Gas? Kawi’s??
Plessinger already signed a contract extension with Yamaha, so he'll be staying put.
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6/15/2020 7:09pm Edited Date/Time 6/15/2020 7:13pm
cbarber wrote:
him sitting out the end of the year to keep his 250 class eligibility(with KTM thinking he was staying for 2020), then jumping to star.
KX500 wrote:
Oh, yeah, that. But the decision by KTM to agree to him setting out didn't include a signed contract for the next year, just an assumption...
Oh, yeah, that.

But the decision by KTM to agree to him setting out didn't include a signed contract for the next year, just an assumption and we'll take care of that later - leaving the door wide open.

Surely somebody at KTM asked the question of - Why'd we let McElrath go again? Why did he think going to Yamaha was the better thing to do?

And also, some of those same people have to be thinking he made a good decision, whether they like it or not.

Hopefully the OEMs aren't spiteful when a rider leaves - it might get complicated to keep all the names straight.

And Shane never had a harsh word for KTM.

I imagine every team is going to take the best rider they can find to fill a spot on their roster. When that contract ends, repeat, repeat, repeat.

The past is the past. But who knows? Could be somebody at KTM had hurt feelings.

The TLD team manager seemed pretty salty towards Shane during one of the early MotoSpy RedBull episodes.

According to the story in the episode it went like this.

They let Shane sit out so he didn't point out, saying he had a hurt back. Then during the outdoors Shane said he had an offer at Star. TLD team manager said ok give me a couple days and give us a chance to make a counter offer and try and keep you here. Shane apparently agreed to wait. By the time he got back to him Shane had signed with Star and left TLD up shits creek filling holes in their team they didn't think they'd have to.
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cbarber wrote:
him sitting out the end of the year to keep his 250 class eligibility(with KTM thinking he was staying for 2020), then jumping to star.
KX500 wrote:
Oh, yeah, that. But the decision by KTM to agree to him setting out didn't include a signed contract for the next year, just an assumption...
Oh, yeah, that.

But the decision by KTM to agree to him setting out didn't include a signed contract for the next year, just an assumption and we'll take care of that later - leaving the door wide open.

Surely somebody at KTM asked the question of - Why'd we let McElrath go again? Why did he think going to Yamaha was the better thing to do?

And also, some of those same people have to be thinking he made a good decision, whether they like it or not.

Hopefully the OEMs aren't spiteful when a rider leaves - it might get complicated to keep all the names straight.

And Shane never had a harsh word for KTM.

I imagine every team is going to take the best rider they can find to fill a spot on their roster. When that contract ends, repeat, repeat, repeat.

The past is the past. But who knows? Could be somebody at KTM had hurt feelings.

robotsfrom wrote:
The TLD team manager seemed pretty salty towards Shane during one of the early MotoSpy RedBull episodes. According to the story in the episode it went...
The TLD team manager seemed pretty salty towards Shane during one of the early MotoSpy RedBull episodes.

According to the story in the episode it went like this.

They let Shane sit out so he didn't point out, saying he had a hurt back. Then during the outdoors Shane said he had an offer at Star. TLD team manager said ok give me a couple days and give us a chance to make a counter offer and try and keep you here. Shane apparently agreed to wait. By the time he got back to him Shane had signed with Star and left TLD up shits creek filling holes in their team they didn't think they'd have to.
Shane seems like a very mature, authentic guy to me. At least what we see. I think he probably handled it well.
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6/15/2020 8:29pm
Well Tomac is signed for next season, AC isn’t but expect he will be. GasGas could easily just be the RMATV team next season.
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Well Tomac is signed for next season, AC isn’t but expect he will be. GasGas could easily just be the RMATV team next season.
Adam has signed a 2 year deal per Matthes/Pulpmx.
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TLD will have 2 450 and 1 East and 1 west 250 on GasGas
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6/15/2020 9:38pm
cbarber wrote:
him sitting out the end of the year to keep his 250 class eligibility(with KTM thinking he was staying for 2020), then jumping to star.
KX500 wrote:
Oh, yeah, that. But the decision by KTM to agree to him setting out didn't include a signed contract for the next year, just an assumption...
Oh, yeah, that.

But the decision by KTM to agree to him setting out didn't include a signed contract for the next year, just an assumption and we'll take care of that later - leaving the door wide open.

Surely somebody at KTM asked the question of - Why'd we let McElrath go again? Why did he think going to Yamaha was the better thing to do?

And also, some of those same people have to be thinking he made a good decision, whether they like it or not.

Hopefully the OEMs aren't spiteful when a rider leaves - it might get complicated to keep all the names straight.

And Shane never had a harsh word for KTM.

I imagine every team is going to take the best rider they can find to fill a spot on their roster. When that contract ends, repeat, repeat, repeat.

The past is the past. But who knows? Could be somebody at KTM had hurt feelings.

In one of the red bull videos, Tyler Keefe talks a little about SM12 leaving tld, and he wasn't too happy about the way it went down. From what I recall, this took place when both tld and star had offers on the table for Shane's 2020 season. So at some point before any contract had been signed, Shane indicated to the tld team that he was leaning towards inking the star deal, but was still undecided. TK asked him to wait just one day so that they could provide a counter offer and was pretty pissed to find out shane didn't have the courtesy to wait that day to even consider tld's offer. It also sounded like there was more to the story or something else all together that had TK upset with Shane. Idk, he definitely alluded to something else, but never spoke about it.
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cbarber wrote:
him sitting out the end of the year to keep his 250 class eligibility(with KTM thinking he was staying for 2020), then jumping to star.
KX500 wrote:
Oh, yeah, that. But the decision by KTM to agree to him setting out didn't include a signed contract for the next year, just an assumption...
Oh, yeah, that.

But the decision by KTM to agree to him setting out didn't include a signed contract for the next year, just an assumption and we'll take care of that later - leaving the door wide open.

Surely somebody at KTM asked the question of - Why'd we let McElrath go again? Why did he think going to Yamaha was the better thing to do?

And also, some of those same people have to be thinking he made a good decision, whether they like it or not.

Hopefully the OEMs aren't spiteful when a rider leaves - it might get complicated to keep all the names straight.

And Shane never had a harsh word for KTM.

I imagine every team is going to take the best rider they can find to fill a spot on their roster. When that contract ends, repeat, repeat, repeat.

The past is the past. But who knows? Could be somebody at KTM had hurt feelings.

In one of the red bull videos, Tyler Keefe talks a little about SM12 leaving tld, and he wasn't too happy about the way it went...
In one of the red bull videos, Tyler Keefe talks a little about SM12 leaving tld, and he wasn't too happy about the way it went down. From what I recall, this took place when both tld and star had offers on the table for Shane's 2020 season. So at some point before any contract had been signed, Shane indicated to the tld team that he was leaning towards inking the star deal, but was still undecided. TK asked him to wait just one day so that they could provide a counter offer and was pretty pissed to find out shane didn't have the courtesy to wait that day to even consider tld's offer. It also sounded like there was more to the story or something else all together that had TK upset with Shane. Idk, he definitely alluded to something else, but never spoke about it.
Sounds very similar to the McAdoo thing.....
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hartebreak wrote:
Sounds very similar to the McAdoo thing.....
What happened there? McAdoo has a great year though.

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Sounds like there probably are some background details between Shane & KTM - things we'll never know.

I'm reading in another thread that Shanes contract with Star was more than 1 year with the 2nd on a 450.

It could simply be that Shane figured there is no way the KTM could offer what Yamaha was.

And maybe he agreed to give KTM another day but then got to thinking; 1) I know what TLD has been paying me all these years, doubt they match the Star offer, 2) I'm tired of trying to pass those dang YZ250s! & 3) multi-year deal vrs. 1 year deal.

It could be that the real comment from TLD/KTM was, 'Well we can't offer a 450 ride in year 2, but give us a day to work on the 1 year deal.' Shane, 'Ok let me think about it' - which didn't take a lot of thought - as it probably wouldn't for any of us.

Complete speculation, but I bet at least some of those details are accurate.
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Sometimes folks just thrive in a new environment?
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EngIceDave wrote:
Sometimes folks just thrive in a new environment?
For sure there is some validity to that ! Thanks all for the info on Shane whatever his bike color in 2021 will be really cool to see how he progresses in the 450 class. The same for Dylan many times he is TQ on his 250 machine !

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PressPassP wrote:
Barcia possibly to MXGP
That's the most plausible thing I've heard about Justin yet. I think he'd do well in a totally new and different environment there. His wife is from the UK so he'd have a built-in base already. I think he's pretty much used up his options here too, so maybe the GP thing will be a good thing for him if he indeed can get a good ride.
6/16/2020 7:08am
Mr. Info wrote:
TLD will have 2 450 and 1 East and 1 west 250 on GasGas
Sounds like you’ve seen the teams contract already ?
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KX500 wrote:
Sounds like there probably are some background details between Shane & KTM - things we'll never know. I'm reading in another thread that Shanes contract with...
Sounds like there probably are some background details between Shane & KTM - things we'll never know.

I'm reading in another thread that Shanes contract with Star was more than 1 year with the 2nd on a 450.

It could simply be that Shane figured there is no way the KTM could offer what Yamaha was.

And maybe he agreed to give KTM another day but then got to thinking; 1) I know what TLD has been paying me all these years, doubt they match the Star offer, 2) I'm tired of trying to pass those dang YZ250s! & 3) multi-year deal vrs. 1 year deal.

It could be that the real comment from TLD/KTM was, 'Well we can't offer a 450 ride in year 2, but give us a day to work on the 1 year deal.' Shane, 'Ok let me think about it' - which didn't take a lot of thought - as it probably wouldn't for any of us.

Complete speculation, but I bet at least some of those details are accurate.
I don’t think Star pays that great.
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FuzzyLogic wrote:
If I am MCR, I am going to let Hill go. He has done very little, and there are plenty of up and coming guys that...
If I am MCR, I am going to let Hill go. He has done very little, and there are plenty of up and coming guys that would be happy to hop in that spot.
MX304 wrote:
I'd drop hill for Brayton if they have the $$.
Anyone that gives a ride to Hill is just throwing away money, whatever the reason the guy is super talented and continues to disappoint.
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slumpstone wrote:
I don’t think Star pays that great.
Could be.

And if that is the case, it'd make me wonder if their contracts are more performance based - as in we know our bike is so good, you'll make up for a low salary with more podiums, race wins & maybe a championship! And here is what we pay for those things......

I do recall when Shane made the switch, he called it 'taking a chance', which sounds like betting on yourself or saying I'm actually going to come out ahead if I perform like I know I can.

Three race wins (what $50K-$100K each) couldn't hurt a bank account. Seems like he's been good for an MX win each of the last couple years as well.
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PressPassP wrote:
Barcia possibly to MXGP
davistld01 wrote:
That's the most plausible thing I've heard about Justin yet. I think he'd do well in a totally new and different environment there. His wife is...
That's the most plausible thing I've heard about Justin yet. I think he'd do well in a totally new and different environment there. His wife is from the UK so he'd have a built-in base already. I think he's pretty much used up his options here too, so maybe the GP thing will be a good thing for him if he indeed can get a good ride.
He's already said he and his wife are moving to the UK after his racing in the US is done. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he moves over to MXGP.
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PressPassP wrote:
Barcia possibly to MXGP
davistld01 wrote:
That's the most plausible thing I've heard about Justin yet. I think he'd do well in a totally new and different environment there. His wife is...
That's the most plausible thing I've heard about Justin yet. I think he'd do well in a totally new and different environment there. His wife is from the UK so he'd have a built-in base already. I think he's pretty much used up his options here too, so maybe the GP thing will be a good thing for him if he indeed can get a good ride.
TriRacer27 wrote:
He's already said he and his wife are moving to the UK after his racing in the US is done. I wouldn't be surprised at all...
He's already said he and his wife are moving to the UK after his racing in the US is done. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he moves over to MXGP.
Good luck to him 😊
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TriRacer27 wrote:
He's already said he and his wife are moving to the UK after his racing in the US is done. I wouldn't be surprised at all...
He's already said he and his wife are moving to the UK after his racing in the US is done. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he moves over to MXGP.
If you have option to move country you like.. UK would not been on my list for sure.. he is gonna miss warm sunny days of Florida.
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KX500 wrote:
Sounds like there probably are some background details between Shane & KTM - things we'll never know. I'm reading in another thread that Shanes contract with...
Sounds like there probably are some background details between Shane & KTM - things we'll never know.

I'm reading in another thread that Shanes contract with Star was more than 1 year with the 2nd on a 450.

It could simply be that Shane figured there is no way the KTM could offer what Yamaha was.

And maybe he agreed to give KTM another day but then got to thinking; 1) I know what TLD has been paying me all these years, doubt they match the Star offer, 2) I'm tired of trying to pass those dang YZ250s! & 3) multi-year deal vrs. 1 year deal.

It could be that the real comment from TLD/KTM was, 'Well we can't offer a 450 ride in year 2, but give us a day to work on the 1 year deal.' Shane, 'Ok let me think about it' - which didn't take a lot of thought - as it probably wouldn't for any of us.

Complete speculation, but I bet at least some of those details are accurate.
slumpstone wrote:
I don’t think Star pays that great.
Bonus based. All the riders want to ride for star. I know they approached Austin Forkner and he simply said no because he was worried about the Yamaha 450.
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davistld01 wrote:
That's the most plausible thing I've heard about Justin yet. I think he'd do well in a totally new and different environment there. His wife is...
That's the most plausible thing I've heard about Justin yet. I think he'd do well in a totally new and different environment there. His wife is from the UK so he'd have a built-in base already. I think he's pretty much used up his options here too, so maybe the GP thing will be a good thing for him if he indeed can get a good ride.
I think it’s crazy that Barcia is out of options. 4 guys have won a main event this year and Barcia is one of them. I wish MCR would sign him
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