Swap Talking about Racing 2019 RMZ125 this weekend

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Bruce372 wrote:
It amazes me the amount of energy people will expend to get a suzuki125 that wont come anywhere near a sx/tc 125 in all aspects of...
It amazes me the amount of energy people will expend to get a suzuki125 that wont come anywhere near a sx/tc 125 in all aspects of quality and performance.

And yes, I've got a bit of time on both

Interesting comment. Are both of your bikes stock? You don't think the RM handles a lot better and has better suspension?
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Bruce372 wrote:
It amazes me the amount of energy people will expend to get a suzuki125 that wont come anywhere near a sx/tc 125 in all aspects of...
It amazes me the amount of energy people will expend to get a suzuki125 that wont come anywhere near a sx/tc 125 in all aspects of quality and performance.

And yes, I've got a bit of time on both

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Interesting comment. Are both of your bikes stock? You don't think the RM handles a lot better and has better suspension?
No and no! Cool
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Bruce372 wrote:
It amazes me the amount of energy people will expend to get a suzuki125 that wont come anywhere near a sx/tc 125 in all aspects of...
It amazes me the amount of energy people will expend to get a suzuki125 that wont come anywhere near a sx/tc 125 in all aspects of quality and performance.

And yes, I've got a bit of time on both

VetMX.com wrote:
Interesting comment. Are both of your bikes stock? You don't think the RM handles a lot better and has better suspension?
Bruce372 wrote:
No and no! Cool
You and others have absolutely no idea of what this bike will be like IF it is produced. Non stop complaining wanting a modern aluminum frame 2stroke back, then you talk shit on it before it evens comes to fruition. If Suzuki makes this bike people better put there money where there mouth is.
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I didnt really hear Don say anything about the kit including a motor? Just brackets and whatnot to fit an rm 125 motor into the 2019 chassis, maybe you have to source your own motor? But seeing as how someone has already built that project bike, maybe it wont be too expensive to just replicate those parts in a kit form for the obviously very limited number of people that want one.
But for Suzuki to provide a full kit..motor , exhaust, ignition, carb, brackets etc,etc..wouldnt make any sense to me whatsoever!
What would make sense is for suzuki to just re issue their last rm125 at a significantly lower price point than other 125's or just go ahead and build and sell an all new one..
Either way, they would be making something that would sell pretty well initially at least, and be bringing some positive attention on themselves, rather than just producing their baked over ho hum 4 strokes..
Hope they make a new 125...125's are just happiness on 2 wheels!
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CivBars 4/16/2019 2:11pm
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The brands spend years perfecting their machines and now with half a dozen screws and a motor stuck in a chassis made for another type of...
The brands spend years perfecting their machines and now with half a dozen screws and a motor stuck in a chassis made for another type of engine will make a perfect bike? please!!
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True, that is something to consider. Good point. Although not new to motorsports or the Moto industry on an Elite professional level, it seems that there...
True, that is something to consider. Good point.

Although not new to motorsports or the Moto industry on an Elite professional level, it seems that there is a new space for After Market engine mounts and hangers. With steel, aluminum, titanium, carbon fiber, etc... all as variables combined with the different material options with nuts, bolts and washers not only with the engine swap but throughout the entire bike, I'd hope would be enough for the die hard two stroke community to come together and find a setting that would be safe and fast enough to ride. Perfect? I don't know. That's subjective.
https://www.motosport.com/product/?adpos=1o2&cc=us&creative=281128749080&device=c&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIqPv5ucLV4QIVkPhkCh0X8g9hEAQYAiABEgJkJfD_BwE&key=Dr-D-Engine-Relocation-Kit&matchtype=&mrkgadid=3301756473&mrkgcl=500&network=g&product_id=DRD000X-X001-Y002&pssource=true&rkg_id=0&segment=badger


Proof of concept with a different approach than I had originally thought of..
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PJRAUS wrote:
I didnt really hear Don say anything about the kit including a motor? Just brackets and whatnot to fit an rm 125 motor into the 2019...
I didnt really hear Don say anything about the kit including a motor? Just brackets and whatnot to fit an rm 125 motor into the 2019 chassis, maybe you have to source your own motor? But seeing as how someone has already built that project bike, maybe it wont be too expensive to just replicate those parts in a kit form for the obviously very limited number of people that want one.
But for Suzuki to provide a full kit..motor , exhaust, ignition, carb, brackets etc,etc..wouldnt make any sense to me whatsoever!
What would make sense is for suzuki to just re issue their last rm125 at a significantly lower price point than other 125's or just go ahead and build and sell an all new one..
Either way, they would be making something that would sell pretty well initially at least, and be bringing some positive attention on themselves, rather than just producing their baked over ho hum 4 strokes..
Hope they make a new 125...125's are just happiness on 2 wheels!
Bingo if theyd just retool the 07 rm125 with a msrp of ~$5300 theyd sell the living hell out of them.
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I'm a Suzuki Die-Hard but honestly they are just really bumming me out over the last several years. They clearly just don't have the interest at the corporate level in motocross anymore and just make the MX side string along with a small budget.

Making a Frankenbike 125 so kids can go from 85cc to 125cc and stay on yellow is almost an insult to the true National level amateur competitors out there. Already the 85cc racers are competing on a bike that is basically the same as a mid 1990's bike. And now they think they are going to keep this young talent on yellow by having them make their own 125? Why would you want to take the old generation RM125 motor and put it into a heavier chassis?

I feel like so many people are out there just waiting for Suzuki to suddenly surprise us all with an all new 125 2 stroke, a light and innovative 450, and they just aren't doing it. Suzuki makes me sad!

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I know one thing for sure. Th ere are going to be a lot of converted 19 RMZ250 going around with different 2 strokes inserted in them. I'd do a 2nd hand KTM 150 engine before an a new RM125 kit engine myself.
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Bruce372 4/16/2019 3:38pm
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VetMX.com wrote:
Interesting comment. Are both of your bikes stock? You don't think the RM handles a lot better and has better suspension?
Bruce372 wrote:
No and no! Cool
wolf918 wrote:
You and others have absolutely no idea of what this bike will be like IF it is produced. Non stop complaining wanting a modern aluminum frame...
You and others have absolutely no idea of what this bike will be like IF it is produced. Non stop complaining wanting a modern aluminum frame 2stroke back, then you talk shit on it before it evens comes to fruition. If Suzuki makes this bike people better put there money where there mouth is.
Dude, I've got two Suzuki mx bikes in my garage right now and there were 3 more Suzuki mx bikes before that in my garage. If this bike is a Frankenstein of those bikes then I might have a better idea than many. Plus, I've got two huskys to compare with and its embarrassing.

As per usual, everyone gets excited about this new rm125 that's been coming out since 2011, yet how many Suzuki owners do we even have?

I've put my money where my mouth is, so lets see them!?!?!
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PJRAUS wrote:
I didnt really hear Don say anything about the kit including a motor? Just brackets and whatnot to fit an rm 125 motor into the 2019...
I didnt really hear Don say anything about the kit including a motor? Just brackets and whatnot to fit an rm 125 motor into the 2019 chassis, maybe you have to source your own motor? But seeing as how someone has already built that project bike, maybe it wont be too expensive to just replicate those parts in a kit form for the obviously very limited number of people that want one.
But for Suzuki to provide a full kit..motor , exhaust, ignition, carb, brackets etc,etc..wouldnt make any sense to me whatsoever!
What would make sense is for suzuki to just re issue their last rm125 at a significantly lower price point than other 125's or just go ahead and build and sell an all new one..
Either way, they would be making something that would sell pretty well initially at least, and be bringing some positive attention on themselves, rather than just producing their baked over ho hum 4 strokes..
Hope they make a new 125...125's are just happiness on 2 wheels!
yz133rider wrote:
Bingo if theyd just retool the 07 rm125 with a msrp of ~$5300 theyd sell the living hell out of them.
They were going for that back in 2007 and no one bought them, otherwise they'd still be selling.

It was less than 5 years ago, people in the midwest were getting 2013 rmz450 Otd under 6k... why, no one was buying them either.
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PJRAUS wrote:
I didnt really hear Don say anything about the kit including a motor? Just brackets and whatnot to fit an rm 125 motor into the 2019...
I didnt really hear Don say anything about the kit including a motor? Just brackets and whatnot to fit an rm 125 motor into the 2019 chassis, maybe you have to source your own motor? But seeing as how someone has already built that project bike, maybe it wont be too expensive to just replicate those parts in a kit form for the obviously very limited number of people that want one.
But for Suzuki to provide a full kit..motor , exhaust, ignition, carb, brackets etc,etc..wouldnt make any sense to me whatsoever!
What would make sense is for suzuki to just re issue their last rm125 at a significantly lower price point than other 125's or just go ahead and build and sell an all new one..
Either way, they would be making something that would sell pretty well initially at least, and be bringing some positive attention on themselves, rather than just producing their baked over ho hum 4 strokes..
Hope they make a new 125...125's are just happiness on 2 wheels!
yz133rider wrote:
Bingo if theyd just retool the 07 rm125 with a msrp of ~$5300 theyd sell the living hell out of them.
Bruce372 wrote:
They were going for that back in 2007 and no one bought them, otherwise they'd still be selling. It was less than 5 years ago, people...
They were going for that back in 2007 and no one bought them, otherwise they'd still be selling.

It was less than 5 years ago, people in the midwest were getting 2013 rmz450 Otd under 6k... why, no one was buying them either.
5300 today and 5300 then are different. People are nostalgic for two strokes now.
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yz133rider wrote:
Bingo if theyd just retool the 07 rm125 with a msrp of ~$5300 theyd sell the living hell out of them.
Bruce372 wrote:
They were going for that back in 2007 and no one bought them, otherwise they'd still be selling. It was less than 5 years ago, people...
They were going for that back in 2007 and no one bought them, otherwise they'd still be selling.

It was less than 5 years ago, people in the midwest were getting 2013 rmz450 Otd under 6k... why, no one was buying them either.
CivBars wrote:
5300 today and 5300 then are different. People are nostalgic for two strokes now.
Show us your Suzuki collection?
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deanwhite51 4/16/2019 4:21pm
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*day dreaming*
RC4 and CR22 to be Suzuki ambassadors and start a 2 stroke campaign for new chassi style RM125 and 250's.


Silly talk i know.. But ideally, if it means i can buy a new RMZ250 and then pay the extra 2 grand for a 125 kit to be thrown in. Id be at the dealer tomorrow!
it would still be cheaper then a ktm250sxf.
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oh.. and i would take a 2006 RM125/250 over a new KTM/TC any day. Id rather have a RM and spend the additional money on suspension and blueprint the motor and still have had spent less money then what it cost to buy a new KTM.

And here's my 2006 RM250 Smile
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Btw, now everyone is buying crate Suzuki engines, where are all the guys that constantly complain about the way overpriced Suzuki OEM parts?
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Btw, now everyone is buying crate Suzuki engines, where are all the guys that constantly complain about the way overpriced Suzuki OEM parts?
Who is "Every one" complaining about the price of OEM suzuki parts..?
The pricing is almost identical to Yamaha.

If you want to discuss the overpriced topic, go buy parts for a Husky or KTM. Its almost double to costing compared to RM's and YZ's.
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Shit, they should just sell a rolling chassis and you can throw whatever motor you want in there. I have a nice RM144 motor I could swap into a new home. Smile
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CivBars 4/16/2019 4:52pm
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Bruce372 wrote:
They were going for that back in 2007 and no one bought them, otherwise they'd still be selling. It was less than 5 years ago, people...
They were going for that back in 2007 and no one bought them, otherwise they'd still be selling.

It was less than 5 years ago, people in the midwest were getting 2013 rmz450 Otd under 6k... why, no one was buying them either.
CivBars wrote:
5300 today and 5300 then are different. People are nostalgic for two strokes now.
Bruce372 wrote:
Show us your Suzuki collection?
Sorry, I didn't mean to lead you to believe that I had a Collection of Suzuki's. 2003 was the last time our household had a Suzuki. Although it was a 65.. a yellow Kawasaki. Hope that still counts!

If a two stroke conversion kit is what any of the manufactures are closest to market with, then it seems worthy of conversation. If it's debut is this weekend, on an off week, there stands a chance that it could pick up enough steam to have the manufactures take a step back and see the big picture.

I wouldn't care if they were working on a 200cc air cooled four stroke if that's what was decided, I would be interested and probably be excited and support it!. The dead horse that's been beaten. Entry level market.
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Or they could make a limited run of completes and sell every single bike instead.
BobPA wrote:
Selling 50 bikes will not recoup all of the R&D needed for a project like that.
Since they seem to already have a bike, they would actually be recouping R and D money they already spent. If they do nothing, it is a complete write off.
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Bruce372 wrote:
They were going for that back in 2007 and no one bought them, otherwise they'd still be selling. It was less than 5 years ago, people...
They were going for that back in 2007 and no one bought them, otherwise they'd still be selling.

It was less than 5 years ago, people in the midwest were getting 2013 rmz450 Otd under 6k... why, no one was buying them either.
CivBars wrote:
5300 today and 5300 then are different. People are nostalgic for two strokes now.
Bruce372 wrote:
Show us your Suzuki collection?
I know that wasn't directed at me. but it got me thinking about what Suzukis I have right now...jeez I have 16.

1980 RM80
1982 RM80
1991 RM80

1983 SP100

1980 RM125
1983 RM125
1985 RM125
1988 RM125
1989 RM125
1991 RM125
1998 RM125
2006 RM125

1984 RM250
1992 RM250
1998 RM250

2018 RMZ450

No wonder I have no space. I think I need to sell some bikes. I guess I can work on selling the green, white, and red ones first....
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I’ve never had a new bike but i’m only 18 so that may change in the future but i’m not buying a $6,500 rmz250 just to pull the engine out and put my 125 engine in it. If i’m buying a new bike i’d get something that i don’t have to do that too, i’d just buy a new ktm. It seems like a method to boost 250f sales to me.
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Bruce372 wrote:
Btw, now everyone is buying crate Suzuki engines, where are all the guys that constantly complain about the way overpriced Suzuki OEM parts?
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Who is "Every one" complaining about the price of OEM suzuki parts..? The pricing is almost identical to Yamaha. If you want to discuss the overpriced...
Who is "Every one" complaining about the price of OEM suzuki parts..?
The pricing is almost identical to Yamaha.

If you want to discuss the overpriced topic, go buy parts for a Husky or KTM. Its almost double to costing compared to RM's and YZ's.
Dude, I've had 5 suzuki's and a common complaint on forums is the expense of Suzuki OEM parts.

Complete seat for a rmz450 $350. Fc450 $125.

I really cant be bothered to argue, just sharing my experience of owning Suzukis and huskys.

Best of luck to anyone that wants to pull a new engine out their heavy rmz250 and shoe in a motor from 2005 that's way down on power compared to the competition.... dont forget to pony up for a complete Hinson if you can find them.
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I’ve never had a new bike but i’m only 18 so that may change in the future but i’m not buying a $6,500 rmz250 just to...
I’ve never had a new bike but i’m only 18 so that may change in the future but i’m not buying a $6,500 rmz250 just to pull the engine out and put my 125 engine in it. If i’m buying a new bike i’d get something that i don’t have to do that too, i’d just buy a new ktm. It seems like a method to boost 250f sales to me.
But Can you Turn Your KTM 125/150 into a 250 if you feel like it?
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Two-Stroke Tuesday | Alex Ray on a Suzuki RM125

The Wiseco Pistons Two-Stroke World Championships hosted by Fasthouse are this weekend at Glen Helen Raceway, and we’ll be racing a very special Suzuki RM125. Our buddy Alex Ray asked to take it for a spin today as we shook the bike down, and man did he make it scream! Looks like we need to twist the throttle harder and keep it open, longer!
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Bruce372 wrote:
Btw, now everyone is buying crate Suzuki engines, where are all the guys that constantly complain about the way overpriced Suzuki OEM parts?
deanwhite51 wrote:
Who is "Every one" complaining about the price of OEM suzuki parts..? The pricing is almost identical to Yamaha. If you want to discuss the overpriced...
Who is "Every one" complaining about the price of OEM suzuki parts..?
The pricing is almost identical to Yamaha.

If you want to discuss the overpriced topic, go buy parts for a Husky or KTM. Its almost double to costing compared to RM's and YZ's.
Bruce372 wrote:
Dude, I've had 5 suzuki's and a common complaint on forums is the expense of Suzuki OEM parts. Complete seat for a rmz450 $350. Fc450 $125...
Dude, I've had 5 suzuki's and a common complaint on forums is the expense of Suzuki OEM parts.

Complete seat for a rmz450 $350. Fc450 $125.

I really cant be bothered to argue, just sharing my experience of owning Suzukis and huskys.

Best of luck to anyone that wants to pull a new engine out their heavy rmz250 and shoe in a motor from 2005 that's way down on power compared to the competition.... dont forget to pony up for a complete Hinson if you can find them.
I get what you are saying totally...I would be very surprised if a kit is offered that includes a motor, carb, exhaust, ignition, wiring loom etc...would be cost prohibitive and pointless and you would end up with possibly a heavy and slow 125 with handling issues... but if someone is offering just a kit with the brackets and spacers etc copied from this existing bike we are seeing, there will doubtless be a few takers, not many but there are always guys that wanna get stuck into a project like that.
But this whole thing seems to have long time Suzuki fans very excited...thats a good thing! They haven't had much to be excited about in a long time!

Some say that they couldn't give away a 125 back in 2007, so they stopped making them...thats true.
The mx world, the average bike buyers were all enamored with the newness of 4 strokes.
4 strokes aren't going away, but a lot of people aren't that enamored with them any more. The sport needs the 125 class back! A lot of people agree on that, I personally think 125 racing would be very popular once again...

If Suzuki built an all new 125, they would have to market it, that means they would have to race it, that means they would have to put their corporate weight behind a revival of 125 racing.
If Suzuki built an all new 125, I think it would be the best thing to happen for the sport since...I dunno!

I wouldn't buy one of their bikes, I like Yamahas, but if Suzuki built a new one, Im pretty sure Yamaha would come up with a new one and Kawasaki would have to have a look at it too.
That would leave Honda lurking behind the scenes doing whatever it could to undermine the re establishment of a 125 national championship
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