Swap Talking about Racing 2019 RMZ125 this weekend

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CivBars 4/16/2019 6:35pm
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Bruce372 wrote:
Btw, now everyone is buying crate Suzuki engines, where are all the guys that constantly complain about the way overpriced Suzuki OEM parts?
deanwhite51 wrote:
Who is "Every one" complaining about the price of OEM suzuki parts..? The pricing is almost identical to Yamaha. If you want to discuss the overpriced...
Who is "Every one" complaining about the price of OEM suzuki parts..?
The pricing is almost identical to Yamaha.

If you want to discuss the overpriced topic, go buy parts for a Husky or KTM. Its almost double to costing compared to RM's and YZ's.
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Dude, I've had 5 suzuki's and a common complaint on forums is the expense of Suzuki OEM parts. Complete seat for a rmz450 $350. Fc450 $125...
Dude, I've had 5 suzuki's and a common complaint on forums is the expense of Suzuki OEM parts.

Complete seat for a rmz450 $350. Fc450 $125.

I really cant be bothered to argue, just sharing my experience of owning Suzukis and huskys.

Best of luck to anyone that wants to pull a new engine out their heavy rmz250 and shoe in a motor from 2005 that's way down on power compared to the competition.... dont forget to pony up for a complete Hinson if you can find them.
Who is wanting a stock seat? Especially on an RMZ 450? Aren't those heavy? Probably why they cost so much... and Suzuki probably isn't making many extra stock seats for OEM Replacement. Low supply and demand. Low production run. High cost.
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deanwhite51 wrote:
Who is "Every one" complaining about the price of OEM suzuki parts..? The pricing is almost identical to Yamaha. If you want to discuss the overpriced...
Who is "Every one" complaining about the price of OEM suzuki parts..?
The pricing is almost identical to Yamaha.

If you want to discuss the overpriced topic, go buy parts for a Husky or KTM. Its almost double to costing compared to RM's and YZ's.
Bruce372 wrote:
Dude, I've had 5 suzuki's and a common complaint on forums is the expense of Suzuki OEM parts. Complete seat for a rmz450 $350. Fc450 $125...
Dude, I've had 5 suzuki's and a common complaint on forums is the expense of Suzuki OEM parts.

Complete seat for a rmz450 $350. Fc450 $125.

I really cant be bothered to argue, just sharing my experience of owning Suzukis and huskys.

Best of luck to anyone that wants to pull a new engine out their heavy rmz250 and shoe in a motor from 2005 that's way down on power compared to the competition.... dont forget to pony up for a complete Hinson if you can find them.
CivBars wrote:
Who is wanting a stock seat? Especially on an RMZ 450? Aren't those heavy? Probably why they cost so much... and Suzuki probably isn't making many...
Who is wanting a stock seat? Especially on an RMZ 450? Aren't those heavy? Probably why they cost so much... and Suzuki probably isn't making many extra stock seats for OEM Replacement. Low supply and demand. Low production run. High cost.
Yeah an sdg is 100 bucks problem solved lol. And how often do you need a new replacement entire seat lol
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Bruce372 4/16/2019 7:18pm
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Bruce372 wrote:
Dude, I've had 5 suzuki's and a common complaint on forums is the expense of Suzuki OEM parts. Complete seat for a rmz450 $350. Fc450 $125...
Dude, I've had 5 suzuki's and a common complaint on forums is the expense of Suzuki OEM parts.

Complete seat for a rmz450 $350. Fc450 $125.

I really cant be bothered to argue, just sharing my experience of owning Suzukis and huskys.

Best of luck to anyone that wants to pull a new engine out their heavy rmz250 and shoe in a motor from 2005 that's way down on power compared to the competition.... dont forget to pony up for a complete Hinson if you can find them.
CivBars wrote:
Who is wanting a stock seat? Especially on an RMZ 450? Aren't those heavy? Probably why they cost so much... and Suzuki probably isn't making many...
Who is wanting a stock seat? Especially on an RMZ 450? Aren't those heavy? Probably why they cost so much... and Suzuki probably isn't making many extra stock seats for OEM Replacement. Low supply and demand. Low production run. High cost.
yz133rider wrote:
Yeah an sdg is 100 bucks problem solved lol. And how often do you need a new replacement entire seat lol
The SDG seats are a really poor fit on the rm and look shit. Lol

That was just a single example.
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Bruce372 4/16/2019 8:37pm
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Another example is the seat, the plastic is old and brittle and once you've changed out the seat cover a couple of times, it's a wild goose chase finding another.
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BR8ES wrote:
Or they could make a limited run of completes and sell every single bike instead.
BobPA wrote:
Selling 50 bikes will not recoup all of the R&D needed for a project like that.
Sounds to me like the r&d is already done maaaaaaaan ?
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This gets me superrrrrrr pumped!!Smile had an 06 and 07 way back when, definitely got my money’s worth out of em...a 250f with the option to convert to a 125 would definitely appeal to me and a bunch of other people I know
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Bruce372 wrote:
Btw, now everyone is buying crate Suzuki engines, where are all the guys that constantly complain about the way overpriced Suzuki OEM parts?
deanwhite51 wrote:
Who is "Every one" complaining about the price of OEM suzuki parts..? The pricing is almost identical to Yamaha. If you want to discuss the overpriced...
Who is "Every one" complaining about the price of OEM suzuki parts..?
The pricing is almost identical to Yamaha.

If you want to discuss the overpriced topic, go buy parts for a Husky or KTM. Its almost double to costing compared to RM's and YZ's.
I can't speak for AUS but in the USA, Suzuki parts are expensive. Take the lower fork leg that I need for my 06 RM250 as an example. Prices are from Rocky Mountain.

06 RM250 $442
06 YZ250 $316
06 CR250 $243
06 KX250 $253

Everyone I know buys all of their cross over parts from Honda. It is half the cost for consumable fork parts.
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Bruce372 4/16/2019 9:51pm
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Rm125 crank $100 more than ktm.

7 day wait on rm125 crank shipping, ktm125 7 in stock!
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This is what I said when they debuted the new style chassis in spy photos and the magized test in Japan. The only reason they would change the front of the frame and rails to make it a center port exhaust was to be able to put a 2 stroke motor in it. Does not make sense to do that otherwise.

Talked to a few people ive had the pleasure of meeting over the years and they're saying it's not just for a 125 2 stroke but also the 250 two stroke. At least it has been heavily discussed. The idea for the 250 is to reproduce the last 250 motor in short runs with mods to fit this chassis and do the yamaha thing updates only if you have to.

I like the ideas no risk, tons of reward.
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zac_k3 4/16/2019 10:09pm
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Tarz483 wrote:
But Can you Turn Your KTM 125/150 into a 250 if you feel like it?
Of course not but i only have two days a week off and couldn’t justify buying a new bike period with the amount it’d get ridden. Just out of curiosity do you think if suzuki did this and someone regularly switched engines they’d notice wear on parts more with one than the other?
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chuckdavies 4/17/2019 3:07am
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Anyone know the 19 RM-Z 250 enough to confirm that these are unmodified frame rails as being discussed? They do seem pretty OEM-looking.
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From what I understand the 125 kit will be a real thing. For myself I wish they were also doing a 250 kit or full bike. I feel there are a lot of Vet or bigger riders that would jump on one. The other 250 two strokes are still the choice of bike for many of these riders on a local level but not many are on a 125.
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JMX82 4/17/2019 4:14am
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Different frame rails on RM-Z 250. Engine mounting tab is in different location



If they are delivering conversion kit it won't be just simple bolt on job...
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chuckdavies 4/17/2019 4:57am
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JMX82 wrote:
Different frame rails on RM-Z 250. Engine mounting tab is in different location [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/04/17/339533/s1200_rmz.jpg[/img] If they are delivering conversion kit it won't be just simple bolt...
Different frame rails on RM-Z 250. Engine mounting tab is in different location



If they are delivering conversion kit it won't be just simple bolt on job...
Hmm that's a shame to see, unless this is a prototype with new frame rails etc., and the 'kit' will just be a bracket and spacers for the engine mounts.

Also noticed the hose that comes out the back of the right hand rad near the exhaust - 125 setup has to go down to the waterpump avoiding the 2 stroke pipe. All of a sudden i'm seeing dollar signs...
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JMX82 4/17/2019 5:03am
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I think only way this would make any sense is that Suzuki would come out with complete bike.
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JMX82 wrote:
Different frame rails on RM-Z 250. Engine mounting tab is in different location [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/04/17/339533/s1200_rmz.jpg[/img] If they are delivering conversion kit it won't be just simple bolt...
Different frame rails on RM-Z 250. Engine mounting tab is in different location



If they are delivering conversion kit it won't be just simple bolt on job...
Maybe new engine cases and some other updates to the engine. like porting and head shape?
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CivBars 4/17/2019 10:12am
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Tarz483 wrote:
But Can you Turn Your KTM 125/150 into a 250 if you feel like it?
zac_k3 wrote:
Of course not but i only have two days a week off and couldn’t justify buying a new bike period with the amount it’d get ridden...
Of course not but i only have two days a week off and couldn’t justify buying a new bike period with the amount it’d get ridden. Just out of curiosity do you think if suzuki did this and someone regularly switched engines they’d notice wear on parts more with one than the other?
It could be more wear on parts for both. Using more brakes on a two stroke since there isn't engine braking. More weight and power with a four stroke could wear certain consumables faster like tires etc. My concern would be suspension. Something like Kreft has would be ideal I would think.

http://www.kreftmoto.com/
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Tarz483 wrote:
https://youtu.be/iTXGD75Pe9Y Toward the end of this Podcast Swap Talks about Suzuki making a Kit Hopefully will be available to the public That turns A RMZ250 into...
https://youtu.be/iTXGD75Pe9Y
Toward the end of this Podcast
Swap Talks about Suzuki making a Kit
Hopefully will be available to the public
That turns A RMZ250 into a 125
Basically selling separately a 125 motor that bolts Right in.
That sounds super sweet to me.
Would that Be enough to make you choose to Buy a RMZ250 if you where planning to buy a 250f ?
I think it would me. Just knowing there is an option to go back and forth is really Rad.

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CivBars 4/18/2019 9:37am
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Any first impressions? Any links?
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JWACK 4/18/2019 10:04am
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Tarz483 wrote:
https://youtu.be/iTXGD75Pe9Y Toward the end of this Podcast Swap Talks about Suzuki making a Kit Hopefully will be available to the public That turns A RMZ250 into...
https://youtu.be/iTXGD75Pe9Y
Toward the end of this Podcast
Swap Talks about Suzuki making a Kit
Hopefully will be available to the public
That turns A RMZ250 into a 125
Basically selling separately a 125 motor that bolts Right in.
That sounds super sweet to me.
Would that Be enough to make you choose to Buy a RMZ250 if you where planning to buy a 250f ?
I think it would me. Just knowing there is an option to go back and forth is really Rad.
swap wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/04/17/339853/s1200_rm125.jpg[/img] :)

Smile
All I want is for Suzuki to release a new 125 and 250 in this chassis. Is that to much to ask? I would sell my 19 KTM250sx in a heartbeat and buy one of each.
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Squirrelings 4/18/2019 10:30am
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I’d have to strongly consider a 250 to throw a big bore in based on looks alone. Laughing
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Tarz483 wrote:
https://youtu.be/iTXGD75Pe9Y Toward the end of this Podcast Swap Talks about Suzuki making a Kit Hopefully will be available to the public That turns A RMZ250 into...
https://youtu.be/iTXGD75Pe9Y
Toward the end of this Podcast
Swap Talks about Suzuki making a Kit
Hopefully will be available to the public
That turns A RMZ250 into a 125
Basically selling separately a 125 motor that bolts Right in.
That sounds super sweet to me.
Would that Be enough to make you choose to Buy a RMZ250 if you where planning to buy a 250f ?
I think it would me. Just knowing there is an option to go back and forth is really Rad.
swap wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/04/17/339853/s1200_rm125.jpg[/img] :)

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JWACK wrote:
All I want is for Suzuki to release a new 125 and 250 in this chassis. Is that to much to ask? I would sell my...
All I want is for Suzuki to release a new 125 and 250 in this chassis. Is that to much to ask? I would sell my 19 KTM250sx in a heartbeat and buy one of each.
That would be sweet and I'm sure everyone would love it! Or just sell the same two strokes from the mid 2000's like Yamaha and update the appearance Smile
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oldblood 4/18/2019 9:36pm
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Tarz483 wrote:
https://youtu.be/iTXGD75Pe9Y Toward the end of this Podcast Swap Talks about Suzuki making a Kit Hopefully will be available to the public That turns A RMZ250 into...
https://youtu.be/iTXGD75Pe9Y
Toward the end of this Podcast
Swap Talks about Suzuki making a Kit
Hopefully will be available to the public
That turns A RMZ250 into a 125
Basically selling separately a 125 motor that bolts Right in.
That sounds super sweet to me.
Would that Be enough to make you choose to Buy a RMZ250 if you where planning to buy a 250f ?
I think it would me. Just knowing there is an option to go back and forth is really Rad.
swap wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/04/17/339853/s1200_rm125.jpg[/img] :)

Smile
you do realize, this is the equivalent of, bike porn.
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Tarz483 wrote:
https://youtu.be/iTXGD75Pe9Y Toward the end of this Podcast Swap Talks about Suzuki making a Kit Hopefully will be available to the public That turns A RMZ250 into...
https://youtu.be/iTXGD75Pe9Y
Toward the end of this Podcast
Swap Talks about Suzuki making a Kit
Hopefully will be available to the public
That turns A RMZ250 into a 125
Basically selling separately a 125 motor that bolts Right in.
That sounds super sweet to me.
Would that Be enough to make you choose to Buy a RMZ250 if you where planning to buy a 250f ?
I think it would me. Just knowing there is an option to go back and forth is really Rad.
swap wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/04/17/339853/s1200_rm125.jpg[/img] :)

Smile
oldblood wrote:
you do realize, this is the equivalent of, bike porn.
Most girls in porn don’t look that good though Woohoo
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CRFracer117 4/19/2019 5:49am
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CivBars wrote:
Who is wanting a stock seat? Especially on an RMZ 450? Aren't those heavy? Probably why they cost so much... and Suzuki probably isn't making many...
Who is wanting a stock seat? Especially on an RMZ 450? Aren't those heavy? Probably why they cost so much... and Suzuki probably isn't making many extra stock seats for OEM Replacement. Low supply and demand. Low production run. High cost.
yz133rider wrote:
Yeah an sdg is 100 bucks problem solved lol. And how often do you need a new replacement entire seat lol
Bruce372 wrote:
The SDG seats are a really poor fit on the rm and look shit. Lol

That was just a single example.
Really sdg seats look like shit, mine fits great and looks good! LOL your an idiot OEM prices are high all the way across the board just depends on where you go to get them, local Honda dealer will try to sell a bolt for $10 when online it’s $1!

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PRM31 4/19/2019 6:28am
4/19/2019 6:28am Edited Date/Time 4/19/2019 6:34am
Nice looking bike! Just need yellow rims vice black. Kudos to Suzuki if this happens. Look forward to hearing more about the engine. Has it been tweaked from mid-2000s engine? I had an 06 modded to a 144 and that bike was a blast!

Guesses on what a motor swap would do to weight? Previous RM-125s were in the 190s.
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