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He was one cool cat! [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/04/25/423045/s1200_20200425_182240.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/04/25/423046/s1200_20200425_182221.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/04/25/423048/s1200_20200425_182132.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/04/25/423049/s1200_20200425_182230.jpg[/img] My daughter put him in the baby stroller and pushed him around the house when he was...
He was one cool cat!



My daughter put him in the baby stroller and pushed him around the house when he was a kitten, and he was hooked. He LOVED his stroller rides!
-MAVERICK- wrote:
Awesome! So, what happened? Died of old age, released in the wild?

Edit: How did you acquire it and how did you domesticate it?
I ended up having to put him down, as he became very ill. One of the worst days of my life. Regular veterinarians will not work with a "wild" cat. One of the most serious drawbacks to owning an exotic animal.
We purchased him through a third party as a tiny kitten from a place that raised them for fur. We bottle raised him at first.

We called him Stinky. He did not have a bad odor, but he was extremely mischievous and playful, is how he got his name.
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Nighttrain wrote:
This is a very good thread. Those pics y’all posted are appreciated as it’s cool to see the wildlife from different regions. Are there any wild...
This is a very good thread. Those pics y’all posted are appreciated as it’s cool to see the wildlife from different regions.

Are there any wild horses left anywhere? And aren’t those moose dangerous if they decide to get aggressive? I think Joe Rogan was talking about that in a podcast.
NvHermit wrote:
We need wild horse season, no limit
Is see the dislikes but he is right. They are an introduced species and wreack havoc on the landscape.

Love those North Nevada muleys!
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just James wrote:
He was one cool cat! [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/04/25/423045/s1200_20200425_182240.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/04/25/423046/s1200_20200425_182221.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/04/25/423048/s1200_20200425_182132.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/04/25/423049/s1200_20200425_182230.jpg[/img] My daughter put him in the baby stroller and pushed him around the house when he was...
He was one cool cat!



My daughter put him in the baby stroller and pushed him around the house when he was a kitten, and he was hooked. He LOVED his stroller rides!
-MAVERICK- wrote:
Awesome! So, what happened? Died of old age, released in the wild?

Edit: How did you acquire it and how did you domesticate it?
just James wrote:
I ended up having to put him down, as he became very ill. One of the worst days of my life. Regular veterinarians will not work...
I ended up having to put him down, as he became very ill. One of the worst days of my life. Regular veterinarians will not work with a "wild" cat. One of the most serious drawbacks to owning an exotic animal.
We purchased him through a third party as a tiny kitten from a place that raised them for fur. We bottle raised him at first.

We called him Stinky. He did not have a bad odor, but he was extremely mischievous and playful, is how he got his name.
About twenty years ago when I lived in Oregon there were bobcat kittens for sale. $350. As badly as I wanted to get one, I knew it was an impulse buy so I passed. I knew I
didn’t have the knowledge or experience raising it properly.
It must’ve been a great privilege owning that Lynx.
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About twenty years ago when I lived in Oregon there were bobcat kittens for sale. $350. As badly as I wanted to get one, I knew...
About twenty years ago when I lived in Oregon there were bobcat kittens for sale. $350. As badly as I wanted to get one, I knew it was an impulse buy so I passed. I knew I
didn’t have the knowledge or experience raising it properly.
It must’ve been a great privilege owning that Lynx.
Under just the right circumstances, they are an amazing pet. Would I recommend them for most people who think they may want one? ABSOLUTELY NOT!
Like all cats, if you think that you will get the cat to do what you want, you will have a miserable relationship. Also, if you cannot be hands-on with it almost constantly while it is growing up, it will become very independent and not really establish a bond with you.
Before we got Stinky we spoke with other people who had Canadian lynx. They told us that they are very mischievous, and have quite a sense of humor! We could not understand the "sense of humor" part until we had one.
Stinky would watch my wife carefully sweep the kitchen and front room, until she had all of the dirt and lint in a neat little pile, then just as she was about to sweep it into a dust pan, Stinky would come at top speed and skid sideways through the dirt pile. Of course the wife didn't see the humor in this, but he would do it every chance he got.
We had an upright freezer just inside our back door, and if he saw through the window that one of us was coming in the door, he would get on top of the freezer in order to slap us on the head when we came in.
I could tell a hundred more stories about his playfulness, but suffice it to say he had a great sense of humor.
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just James wrote:
Under just the right circumstances, they are an amazing pet. Would I recommend them for most people who think they may want one? ABSOLUTELY NOT! Like...
Under just the right circumstances, they are an amazing pet. Would I recommend them for most people who think they may want one? ABSOLUTELY NOT!
Like all cats, if you think that you will get the cat to do what you want, you will have a miserable relationship. Also, if you cannot be hands-on with it almost constantly while it is growing up, it will become very independent and not really establish a bond with you.
Before we got Stinky we spoke with other people who had Canadian lynx. They told us that they are very mischievous, and have quite a sense of humor! We could not understand the "sense of humor" part until we had one.
Stinky would watch my wife carefully sweep the kitchen and front room, until she had all of the dirt and lint in a neat little pile, then just as she was about to sweep it into a dust pan, Stinky would come at top speed and skid sideways through the dirt pile. Of course the wife didn't see the humor in this, but he would do it every chance he got.
We had an upright freezer just inside our back door, and if he saw through the window that one of us was coming in the door, he would get on top of the freezer in order to slap us on the head when we came in.
I could tell a hundred more stories about his playfulness, but suffice it to say he had a great sense of humor.
That’s awesome. I knew about the time dedication to establish a bond. Something I really didn’t have much of while working forty hours and going to school.
I stuck with reptiles. Constrictors and monitors. Although they can become problematic. Most people who purchase them as hatchlings or juveniles, fail to realize how big an African Rock, or Retic will get.
It’s nice seeing someone actually get an exotic animal, raise it properly, making it part of the family. Well done.
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Yeah, how the fuck do you domesticate an animal that could eat you in your sleep (We want one)?
Haha ask Tiger King
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We went to a game reserve in Botswana a few years ago that had a hide sunken by a water hole, basically a modified shipping container, so you were at the same level as the water surface.

You could almost touch the animals.
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What is it that makes you proud to have killed an animal? I will never understand but I am glad that my parents teached me a different way.
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WEAL wrote:
What is it that makes you proud to have killed an animal? I will never understand but I am glad that my parents teached me a...
What is it that makes you proud to have killed an animal? I will never understand but I am glad that my parents teached me a different way.
I don't make the rules I just apply for tags through the Department of Wildlife who decides how many of what needs to go. I enjoy hunting as it's something I've done with my dad and grandpa all my life. Guns are for more than shooting targets, they're made to kill things.
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4/26/2020 8:23pm Edited Date/Time 4/26/2020 8:24pm
WEAL wrote:
What is it that makes you proud to have killed an animal? I will never understand but I am glad that my parents teached me a...
What is it that makes you proud to have killed an animal? I will never understand but I am glad that my parents teached me a different way.
NvHermit wrote:
I don't make the rules I just apply for tags through the Department of Wildlife who decides how many of what needs to go. I enjoy...
I don't make the rules I just apply for tags through the Department of Wildlife who decides how many of what needs to go. I enjoy hunting as it's something I've done with my dad and grandpa all my life. Guns are for more than shooting targets, they're made to kill things.
Do you eat everything you trap and hunt?
Spearfishing was a family tradition I learned early on. I understand harvesting meat to provide food for your family. I fish and dive for seafood. Rockfish, lingcod, halibut, salmon etc. We enjoy salmon as a family and have it dinner every Sunday. And no I’ve never used a whiskey shackle.

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4/27/2020 6:54am Edited Date/Time 4/27/2020 7:09am
WEAL wrote:
What is it that makes you proud to have killed an animal? I will never understand but I am glad that my parents teached me a...
What is it that makes you proud to have killed an animal? I will never understand but I am glad that my parents teached me a different way.
NvHermit wrote:
I don't make the rules I just apply for tags through the Department of Wildlife who decides how many of what needs to go. I enjoy...
I don't make the rules I just apply for tags through the Department of Wildlife who decides how many of what needs to go. I enjoy hunting as it's something I've done with my dad and grandpa all my life. Guns are for more than shooting targets, they're made to kill things.
Chance1216 wrote:
Do you eat everything you trap and hunt? Spearfishing was a family tradition I learned early on. I understand harvesting meat to provide food for your...
Do you eat everything you trap and hunt?
Spearfishing was a family tradition I learned early on. I understand harvesting meat to provide food for your family. I fish and dive for seafood. Rockfish, lingcod, halibut, salmon etc. We enjoy salmon as a family and have it dinner every Sunday. And no I’ve never used a whiskey shackle.

No, I don't eat everything I trap, but trapping is about the fur. The coyotes and skunks are not eaten but the bobcats are made into chili or stew. The lions and bear are also eaten along with everything else.

I don't know who decides the value of a life but we as humans kill everyday to survive. What's the value of the tree I cut to heat my home ? Is it worth more than the mouse you caught under your sink or the mosquito bugging you while picnicking ?

No one bats an eye when you catch a halibut but shoot a bear and everybody gets upset. Why does the halibut have less value than the bear ?

Here's a fact about bobcats in Nevada, they're either so plentiful or so hard to catch that there is no limit on the amount of traps you can set or amount of cats you can catch. Lots of guys do this for income and catch over 50 a season. Lots of guys.


I've only been trapping for 3 seasons because for the first time in the past 40 years I wasn't raising kids and got bored. Since I spend almost all my time on a mountain, I decided to grow where I was planted. I figured hiking around the mountain all spring, summer and fall looking for predator sign was funner than doing crossword or jigsaw puzzles.

This wasn't the plan, but it couldn't have worked out better.

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We need wild horse season, no limit
JAFO92 wrote:
I adopted a Mustang from Maverick-Medicine HMA last summer.

https://www.blm.gov/programs/wild-horse-and-burro/herd-management/herd-…
This is strictly my opinion on these horses.

They're kinda like the wild pigs in Texas, destructive and take habitat from more native species. "Native" is a bit deceptive though because in my life time Nevada didn't always have elk or antelope. But anyway everything else has a season besides birds of pray and these horses.

But here's the difference... Lets make the rules the same. You can no longer shoot the pigs, but to keep them in check, the Fed's will round them up and corral them. Who pays for the corralled pigs ?

The BLM ranch here in Reno has like a gillion horses
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WEAL wrote:
What is it that makes you proud to have killed an animal? I will never understand but I am glad that my parents teached me a...
What is it that makes you proud to have killed an animal? I will never understand but I am glad that my parents teached me a different way.
It’s generally tied to food and survival. If you’re not into it, no big deal. Congrats on the veganism.
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4/27/2020 7:26am Edited Date/Time 4/27/2020 7:38am
NvHermit wrote:
I don't make the rules I just apply for tags through the Department of Wildlife who decides how many of what needs to go. I enjoy...
I don't make the rules I just apply for tags through the Department of Wildlife who decides how many of what needs to go. I enjoy hunting as it's something I've done with my dad and grandpa all my life. Guns are for more than shooting targets, they're made to kill things.
Chance1216 wrote:
Do you eat everything you trap and hunt? Spearfishing was a family tradition I learned early on. I understand harvesting meat to provide food for your...
Do you eat everything you trap and hunt?
Spearfishing was a family tradition I learned early on. I understand harvesting meat to provide food for your family. I fish and dive for seafood. Rockfish, lingcod, halibut, salmon etc. We enjoy salmon as a family and have it dinner every Sunday. And no I’ve never used a whiskey shackle.

NvHermit wrote:
No, I don't eat everything I trap, but trapping is about the fur. The coyotes and skunks are not eaten but the bobcats are made into...
No, I don't eat everything I trap, but trapping is about the fur. The coyotes and skunks are not eaten but the bobcats are made into chili or stew. The lions and bear are also eaten along with everything else.

I don't know who decides the value of a life but we as humans kill everyday to survive. What's the value of the tree I cut to heat my home ? Is it worth more than the mouse you caught under your sink or the mosquito bugging you while picnicking ?

No one bats an eye when you catch a halibut but shoot a bear and everybody gets upset. Why does the halibut have less value than the bear ?

Here's a fact about bobcats in Nevada, they're either so plentiful or so hard to catch that there is no limit on the amount of traps you can set or amount of cats you can catch. Lots of guys do this for income and catch over 50 a season. Lots of guys.


I've only been trapping for 3 seasons because for the first time in the past 40 years I wasn't raising kids and got bored. Since I spend almost all my time on a mountain, I decided to grow where I was planted. I figured hiking around the mountain all spring, summer and fall looking for predator sign was funner than doing crossword or jigsaw puzzles.

This wasn't the plan, but it couldn't have worked out better.

My questions were from a non-judgmental standpoint.
I knew a few trappers (fur) while living in Oregon. It was supplemental income for them during the winter months.
I’ve never batted an eye whether pulling the trigger on an elk or halibut. Yes, people will lose their minds when you pull a halibut out of the water. Better yet an octopus. Legal to keep in one area that was shut down because divers who dive for pictures didn’t agree with it. It’s all a matter of perception and why I spearfish away from people while following the rules.
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4/27/2020 7:35am Edited Date/Time 4/27/2020 7:41am
NvHermit wrote:
This is strictly my opinion on these horses. They're kinda like the wild pigs in Texas, destructive and take habitat from more native species. "Native" is...
This is strictly my opinion on these horses.

They're kinda like the wild pigs in Texas, destructive and take habitat from more native species. "Native" is a bit deceptive though because in my life time Nevada didn't always have elk or antelope. But anyway everything else has a season besides birds of pray and these horses.

But here's the difference... Lets make the rules the same. You can no longer shoot the pigs, but to keep them in check, the Fed's will round them up and corral them. Who pays for the corralled pigs ?

The BLM ranch here in Reno has like a gillion horses
Oh I agree completely on the problem with equine in those areas where they arent part of the original eco system. I know more than anyone just how horses will eradicate and eat every frickin' blade of grass until theres nothing but dust or mud. I only adopted one because my wife wanted to train one.

I also agree with your analogy about the worth of life in the animal kingdom and they ought to round up those horses, adopt the ones they can and the rest need to be shipped to Europe or wherever in the world people will eat 'em. I follow the Temple Grandin approach to that stuff, just be humane about how they are handled and processed. That lady designed some of the coolest, completely humane systems ever made.

I applaud your conservation efforts on various apex predators you are helping to keep a lid on. Somebody has to do it or the entire system gets outta wack and all the critters suffer.
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One of my friends has stomach issues so he can only eat lean meat which is mostly wild game. But some how he got a hold of a dead horse and made a bunch of jerky. One day while we were butchering chickens he asked if I wanted to try it, it tasted just like teriyaki.
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Do you eat everything you trap and hunt? Spearfishing was a family tradition I learned early on. I understand harvesting meat to provide food for your...
Do you eat everything you trap and hunt?
Spearfishing was a family tradition I learned early on. I understand harvesting meat to provide food for your family. I fish and dive for seafood. Rockfish, lingcod, halibut, salmon etc. We enjoy salmon as a family and have it dinner every Sunday. And no I’ve never used a whiskey shackle.

NvHermit wrote:
No, I don't eat everything I trap, but trapping is about the fur. The coyotes and skunks are not eaten but the bobcats are made into...
No, I don't eat everything I trap, but trapping is about the fur. The coyotes and skunks are not eaten but the bobcats are made into chili or stew. The lions and bear are also eaten along with everything else.

I don't know who decides the value of a life but we as humans kill everyday to survive. What's the value of the tree I cut to heat my home ? Is it worth more than the mouse you caught under your sink or the mosquito bugging you while picnicking ?

No one bats an eye when you catch a halibut but shoot a bear and everybody gets upset. Why does the halibut have less value than the bear ?

Here's a fact about bobcats in Nevada, they're either so plentiful or so hard to catch that there is no limit on the amount of traps you can set or amount of cats you can catch. Lots of guys do this for income and catch over 50 a season. Lots of guys.


I've only been trapping for 3 seasons because for the first time in the past 40 years I wasn't raising kids and got bored. Since I spend almost all my time on a mountain, I decided to grow where I was planted. I figured hiking around the mountain all spring, summer and fall looking for predator sign was funner than doing crossword or jigsaw puzzles.

This wasn't the plan, but it couldn't have worked out better.

Chance1216 wrote:
My questions were from a non-judgmental standpoint. I knew a few trappers (fur) while living in Oregon. It was supplemental income for them during the winter...
My questions were from a non-judgmental standpoint.
I knew a few trappers (fur) while living in Oregon. It was supplemental income for them during the winter months.
I’ve never batted an eye whether pulling the trigger on an elk or halibut. Yes, people will lose their minds when you pull a halibut out of the water. Better yet an octopus. Legal to keep in one area that was shut down because divers who dive for pictures didn’t agree with it. It’s all a matter of perception and why I spearfish away from people while following the rules.
My buddies keep me stocked in fish, I just got some smoked halibut a couple days ago



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Never intended this to be a pro/anti hunting/trapping thread, but more just photos and videos of wildlife.
As for my two cents, I have no problem with hunting in general, but I think that leghold traps are inhumane, and hunting with dogs is cowardly. Saying that the animals are too hard to get otherwise, is like me saying that Mike Tyson would be too hard for me to beat at boxing, therefore I want his hands tied behind his back.
I could go on and on, but like I said, not the purpose of this thread.
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just James wrote:
Never intended this to be a pro/anti hunting/trapping thread, but more just photos and videos of wildlife. As for my two cents, I have no problem...
Never intended this to be a pro/anti hunting/trapping thread, but more just photos and videos of wildlife.
As for my two cents, I have no problem with hunting in general, but I think that leghold traps are inhumane, and hunting with dogs is cowardly. Saying that the animals are too hard to get otherwise, is like me saying that Mike Tyson would be too hard for me to beat at boxing, therefore I want his hands tied behind his back.
I could go on and on, but like I said, not the purpose of this thread.
Hope this helps change the direction. This eagle flew over my house yesterday. Terrible photo but, exciting to see anyways.

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Up here they're basically regarded as raccoons with wings, but not nearly as smart Tongue

In other places I'm sure it's really cool to see them though
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just James wrote:
Never intended this to be a pro/anti hunting/trapping thread, but more just photos and videos of wildlife. As for my two cents, I have no problem...
Never intended this to be a pro/anti hunting/trapping thread, but more just photos and videos of wildlife.
As for my two cents, I have no problem with hunting in general, but I think that leghold traps are inhumane, and hunting with dogs is cowardly. Saying that the animals are too hard to get otherwise, is like me saying that Mike Tyson would be too hard for me to beat at boxing, therefore I want his hands tied behind his back.
I could go on and on, but like I said, not the purpose of this thread.
I wasn't seeking your approval, I'm good with me
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just James wrote:
Never intended this to be a pro/anti hunting/trapping thread, but more just photos and videos of wildlife. As for my two cents, I have no problem...
Never intended this to be a pro/anti hunting/trapping thread, but more just photos and videos of wildlife.
As for my two cents, I have no problem with hunting in general, but I think that leghold traps are inhumane, and hunting with dogs is cowardly. Saying that the animals are too hard to get otherwise, is like me saying that Mike Tyson would be too hard for me to beat at boxing, therefore I want his hands tied behind his back.
I could go on and on, but like I said, not the purpose of this thread.
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I wasn't seeking your approval, I'm good with me
I'm good with you too.
You have your opinions, and I have mine.
The subject had been addressed, so I added my thoughts on the matter.

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