Suzuki RM465 SCRATCH BUILT BUILD.

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nice, i wondered what a rotary tool was lol, always just known as a dremel, i use the stainless steel small wheels and the small stand...

nice, i wondered what a rotary tool was lol, always just known as a dremel, i use the stainless steel small wheels and the small stand ones, along with the small felt wheels and good old auto sol, you can bring stuff up nice and clean looking, i did a set of cases for a friend of mine last year with the wheels, come up ok,

 

Very nice work....Oh you mean this? I don't leave home without it lol

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As you can see it's not a huge break but it's in need of repair.  

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My hydrochloric acid and my zink plating kit arrived today. With the acid I stripped off the old zink plating from the parts I want to zink plate first. You get a fizzing as the old plating is removed.  Once done, remove the parts and rinse them ensuring you dry them quickly.  I noticed that rust started forming within seconds of rinsing them off. The right hand engine casing has had its 2 coats of paint stripper so now resides in the bucket waiting to be scrubbed with soapy water before I remove the remaining paint with my wire wheel. Been extremely busy today so unfortunately no more work was done on the shock absorber. 

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My new Shock absorber spring arrived this morning. I'll be doing a bit more work on the shock today and the adjuster which I stripped yesterday will get a new bright coat of zink. Very pleased with the shock so far.

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4/17/2024 5:56am Edited Date/Time 4/17/2024 6:15am

Painted the shock but not quite sure about the colour and not happy with the finish on the reservoir. The reservoir needs more prep to get it perfect. I'll use the paint and lacquer I've put on as a primer/filler and layer it up with numerous coats of primer to fill the deep dings and scratches. I'll give it a 5 out of 10. I'll leave it about a week to harden. Its only when you get the paint on you see how bad the surface actually is. 

I may actually try the champagne gold metallic paint from Tamiya.

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cheers gaz, it was the same instructions as the kit i have, i have heaters, air pump, etc, i first clean using a high temp ultra...

cheers gaz, it was the same instructions as the kit i have, i have heaters, air pump, etc, i first clean using a high temp ultra sonic cleaner with degreaser and i run the water break test to make sure its clean, ill grab some new pickle and grab the kit back out, i did the copper pipe test when it was bought and it come out nice and shiny as i have the bright nickel kit, i've had no issues with peeling, or anything, its just not as good as a finish as i would of liked myself, the last ones i did were the engine case bolts, i think im just goin to get a titanium set ill try again soon as the new pickle arrives, 

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Holy crap Andy that's a work of art lol. Can't you get NOS or genuine replacement bolts? I'm replacing every nut, bolt and washer with OEM...

Holy crap Andy that's a work of art lol. Can't you get NOS or genuine replacement bolts?

I'm replacing every nut, bolt and washer with OEM or NOS part numbered parts. The parts I can't get I'm having to clean up and plate them, hence the plating kit. 

Shortly after talking about restoring my spring, a NOS standard spring showed up from Crooks Suzuki. 

If its still on next week I'm grabbing it lol.  

 

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That spring has been on and off for a while.. its a soft one so not much use to anyone. 

Phil, any luck trading your pipe for the shock? 

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If the spring is meant to fit the 125 then it's going to be soft. I'm 78kg and I'm easily too heavy for the stock spring on the bigger 70s and 80s bikes, let alone the 125s. I found single rate springs for rally car coilovers are pretty much the correct diameter and available in loads of lengths and rates. They're cheap too as you could buy 6 of them for what you paid for that NOS spring.

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If the spring is meant to fit the 125 then it's going to be soft. I'm 78kg and I'm easily too heavy for the stock spring...

If the spring is meant to fit the 125 then it's going to be soft. I'm 78kg and I'm easily too heavy for the stock spring on the bigger 70s and 80s bikes, let alone the 125s. I found single rate springs for rally car coilovers are pretty much the correct diameter and available in loads of lengths and rates. They're cheap too as you could buy 6 of them for what you paid for that NOS spring.

It's the standard shock it left the factory with. It was used on the 125, 250 and 465. From 81-82 I think. This bike is a bare bones, frame build, basically a blank canvas. It's a full nut and bolt creation with NOS, OEM and fully restored components or parts from all over the world. The bolts, screws, nuts, washers, spacers, bearings, brackets etc etc are all brand new, most have come from CMS Netherlands and are all part number correct. Even the sprocket is original Suzuki complete with genuine bolt set costing £200 alone. The next consignment will bring the hardware to about £1000. The bike is as close to stock original as possible. The wheels alone are worth £2k. It's basically a £10k bike less my time or labour costs. 

It's been one hell of a job so far but it's slowly getting there. 

 

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Holy crap Andy that's a work of art lol. Can't you get NOS or genuine replacement bolts? I'm replacing every nut, bolt and washer with OEM...

Holy crap Andy that's a work of art lol. Can't you get NOS or genuine replacement bolts?

I'm replacing every nut, bolt and washer with OEM or NOS part numbered parts. The parts I can't get I'm having to clean up and plate them, hence the plating kit. 

Shortly after talking about restoring my spring, a NOS standard spring showed up from Crooks Suzuki. 

If its still on next week I'm grabbing it lol.  

 

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That spring has been on and off for a while.. its a soft one so not much use to anyone. 

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Phil, any luck trading your pipe for the shock? 

No, i didnt bother, it could have been junk. 

He put the lot up on FB yesterday, everyone wants bits , but he wont split it 

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philG wrote:

That spring has been on and off for a while.. its a soft one so not much use to anyone. 

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Phil, any luck trading your pipe for the shock? 

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No, i didnt bother, it could have been junk. 

He put the lot up on FB yesterday, everyone wants bits , but he wont split it 

That's like selling a car and forcing the buyer to purchase the extra set of old wheels in the shed, along with the old caravan strapped to the fkn back of it. 

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philG wrote:

That spring has been on and off for a while.. its a soft one so not much use to anyone. 

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Phil, any luck trading your pipe for the shock? 

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No, i didnt bother, it could have been junk. 

He put the lot up on FB yesterday, everyone wants bits , but he wont split it 

If the guy gets back to me with news of the clutch cover and your shock absorber, I'll get back to you. I'm just talking to a guy about getting a new hose made. I'm also trying to source the spring hose wrapping. I've found some but it's about 4mm too wide. If not I may have to either fabricate my own or reuse the covering I've already got. Got a very nice vernier calliper today from Ebay, they came from an engineer and are Unused. Nice and weighty and far better than the plastic Chinese ones I've been using. Came in a case and won them for about £25 inc postage. 

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Kevin Reed has billet clutch covers , obviously not cheap

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Kevin Reed has billet clutch covers , obviously not cheap

Well the guy got back to me, he said they have 3 x 465 engines but he'll have to find them so he's getting back to me when he does. I'll ask him again about the shock absorbers when he does. I've got a guy who can sort the spring hose wrapping for the new shock hose,  so its creeping forwards slowly.

Had a day off today.

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Front forks are going away to have their stanchions re-chromed and the NOS lower outers fitted in 2 weeks. Should take a few weeks before I see them again although, they should look like new. Once done the whole front end of the bike will be completely restored.

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Kevin Reed has billet clutch covers , obviously not cheap

Just been in touch with SW Suspension to see if they can make me a hose without all this messing about. This hose lark is beginning to really piss me off. 

4/20/2024 3:04am

shock looks much better, did you check if its holding air and compressing and rebounding good before you put on the spring? also can you not just get a hose made buddy? any good hydraulic place should be able to make one, i've used a local company to me a few years ago to make me some braided hoses for my old race van,  

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shock looks much better, did you check if its holding air and compressing and rebounding good before you put on the spring? also can you not...

shock looks much better, did you check if its holding air and compressing and rebounding good before you put on the spring? also can you not just get a hose made buddy? any good hydraulic place should be able to make one, i've used a local company to me a few years ago to make me some braided hoses for my old race van,  

The spring and other bits are only temporary, just put them on to have a look really. Next week I'm popping it round the bike shop to see if it is  gas problem and then I'll de-gas it and remove the hose. Once the hose is off I can find out the size of the threads and then if need be send it off to the suspension guys who can make one up. Been in touch with a couple of places and while looking noticed there's quite a lot out there who also make hoses for bikes. Still got some cosmetic work to do like polish that top spring securing collar and zink plate the lower/top spring adjuster. The reservoir body needs more prep work. It's just small fiddly, detailing bits to do now really. Going to do a bit more on the swing arm this afternoon. 

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4/20/2024 4:13am

why would you take it to a bike shop to gas to degas to strip buddy? remove your spring, open your clickers to soft and pump up with a bike pump as close as you can get to 140 psi, you can then press the rod down and make sure its compressing and rebounding good and fully extending, takes minutes for peace of mind

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why would you take it to a bike shop to gas to degas to strip buddy? remove your spring, open your clickers to soft and pump...

why would you take it to a bike shop to gas to degas to strip buddy? remove your spring, open your clickers to soft and pump up with a bike pump as close as you can get to 140 psi, you can then press the rod down and make sure its compressing and rebounding good and fully extending, takes minutes for peace of mind

My compressor went AWOL and hasn't come back yet. My standard hand bike pump valve fitting is the same as the inner tube, its a standard car valve. Its slightly bigger than the reservoir valve. The valve caps on the shock and forks are smaller than the tyre valves. I'd pump it up otherwise mate.

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why would you take it to a bike shop to gas to degas to strip buddy? remove your spring, open your clickers to soft and pump...

why would you take it to a bike shop to gas to degas to strip buddy? remove your spring, open your clickers to soft and pump up with a bike pump as close as you can get to 140 psi, you can then press the rod down and make sure its compressing and rebounding good and fully extending, takes minutes for peace of mind

Infact the bike pump fitting actually fits although the dust caps don't which is really strange. I'll give it a go, my neighbour has a big mountain bike pump. 

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why would you take it to a bike shop to gas to degas to strip buddy? remove your spring, open your clickers to soft and pump...

why would you take it to a bike shop to gas to degas to strip buddy? remove your spring, open your clickers to soft and pump up with a bike pump as close as you can get to 140 psi, you can then press the rod down and make sure its compressing and rebounding good and fully extending, takes minutes for peace of mind

A few pumps in and its locking up, can't get anymore in. The shock isn't lifting an inch. 

4/20/2024 6:04am

its a strip down then buddy, you sound like you have more than enough knowledge to strip it, once you let the gas out, its not dangerous to work on, id imagine its the same as a modern shock strip ie empty bladder of gas, remove the shock cap around the rod, under that there is the seal head, press that down till you see the clip, remove with a pick, then pull it out for inspecting, at least you will know if the band is good on the piston and the inner body isn't trashed and you wasting time and money, 

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its a strip down then buddy, you sound like you have more than enough knowledge to strip it, once you let the gas out, its not...

its a strip down then buddy, you sound like you have more than enough knowledge to strip it, once you let the gas out, its not dangerous to work on, id imagine its the same as a modern shock strip ie empty bladder of gas, remove the shock cap around the rod, under that there is the seal head, press that down till you see the clip, remove with a pick, then pull it out for inspecting, at least you will know if the band is good on the piston and the inner body isn't trashed and you wasting time and money, 

I've just messaged Brooks to see if they can rip it apart and give it the once over. They can also replace the hose if they can. 

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its a strip down then buddy, you sound like you have more than enough knowledge to strip it, once you let the gas out, its not...

its a strip down then buddy, you sound like you have more than enough knowledge to strip it, once you let the gas out, its not dangerous to work on, id imagine its the same as a modern shock strip ie empty bladder of gas, remove the shock cap around the rod, under that there is the seal head, press that down till you see the clip, remove with a pick, then pull it out for inspecting, at least you will know if the band is good on the piston and the inner body isn't trashed and you wasting time and money, 

My forks are going to TW suspension tech up Preston for re-chroming so I've asked them about this rear shock. They do zink plating and also cerakote. So if they can rebuild this rear shock I'll probably get it cerakoted at the same time. They service and rebuilt rear shocks so I may as well have them do the lot. 

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4/21/2024 6:23am

nice, at least you will know there fresh buddy, i've personally never heard of them myself, do some homework on them first, as ive seen good and really bad chroming, did you get a price from them? 

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nice, at least you will know there fresh buddy, i've personally never heard of them myself, do some homework on them first, as ive seen good...

nice, at least you will know there fresh buddy, i've personally never heard of them myself, do some homework on them first, as ive seen good and really bad chroming, did you get a price from them? 

No no prices yet mate, I've been researching a number of specialists for some time now, for when I send them in. With them doing shocks I thought I'd send them a message and email some pics. I'll get prices first but I've found that most suspension specialists usually send the stanchions off to a re-chroming specialist and then build everything back up. I've got NOS lowers to be swapped over so they'll be going with the forks. Infact I may send them my old spring, at least it won't be sat rusting away in a box. 

I'm just setting up the wiring for this electroplating kit.

Going to need some more tubs, a small tank heater and small measuring spoons or cups. 

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4/21/2024 8:05am

bet you can't wait to get stared on the plating pal, i love trying new stuff, i use the big white buckets from b and q for my plating liquid, most shops/companies i know use dynasurf, based a few miles from me in sandbach cheshire, for rechroming, straightening etc fork tubes, just a bit of food for thought, your forks are kyb 43 mm conventional so bushes and seals (there the same as the early yz 125 and 250) are easy to get, now the shock maybe a little harder,the seal head for the shock and the bladder, it doesn't even show up in my kyb book or on both the kyb distributors i use, and i've just looked in the allballs book and they dont list either, so just check they can get the parts for the shock before you send,  

4/21/2024 8:21am

ignore the last part, just done a cross reference and its coming up as early yz seal head so id imagine the bladder is the same, happy days

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For the shock I'm sure there's  kit for it although, when they rip it apart the seals and the like are all probably standard sizes and if not, they could probably make or order them in to specific sizes. I'm sure I've even seen bladders on Ebay. 

I'm at the part of the plating where the main dip solution is to be mixed but needs a heater, and then there's a pre-cleaner. I've got the HLC to strip the parts and ive done some, it's just the preparation I'm looking into now. 

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ignore the last part, just done a cross reference and its coming up as early yz seal head so id imagine the bladder is the same...

ignore the last part, just done a cross reference and its coming up as early yz seal head so id imagine the bladder is the same, happy days

Andy what size heater did you get? Have you got one that fits to the wall of the bucket? You know like suction cups?

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