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11/24/2024 5:23am

My question is did Team Deegan know about the contract that the Lawrence bros had in place for this event? That the 100k would have come out of their payday had they agreed to it.. Would have been one hell of a flex had they said that they wanted him there at their homecoming race and it cost the Lawrence's  personally...  

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mbw479 wrote:
 It says the promoter thought paying a 250 rider $100,000 to race an event that is already close to sold out was not a worthwhile investment.….that’s...

 It says the promoter thought paying a 250 rider $100,000 to race an event that is already close to sold out was not a worthwhile investment.….that’s all

Agree the ticket sales would get to or close to a sell out without Degan. But I would think the streaming earnings would have increased more than the $100K For Degan. Sounds like a bad business decision. 

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11/24/2024 7:15am
mbw479 wrote:
 It says the promoter thought paying a 250 rider $100,000 to race an event that is already close to sold out was not a worthwhile investment.….that’s...

 It says the promoter thought paying a 250 rider $100,000 to race an event that is already close to sold out was not a worthwhile investment.….that’s all

Spat24 wrote:
Agree the ticket sales would get to or close to a sell out without Degan. But I would think the streaming earnings would have increased more...

Agree the ticket sales would get to or close to a sell out without Degan. But I would think the streaming earnings would have increased more than the $100K For Degan. Sounds like a bad business decision. 

Actually the promoter thought it was a great idea and when he went to the brothers itvwas a hard no.

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*mirtl. 

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My question is did Team Deegan know about the contract that the Lawrence bros had in place for this event? That the 100k would have come...

My question is did Team Deegan know about the contract that the Lawrence bros had in place for this event? That the 100k would have come out of their payday had they agreed to it.. Would have been one hell of a flex had they said that they wanted him there at their homecoming race and it cost the Lawrence's  personally...  

There was no clause.

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11/24/2024 7:35am Edited Date/Time 11/24/2024 7:43am
soggy wrote:

*mirtl. 

For a guy that has made a dozen or more posts claiming to have it all figured out you seem to little to zero comprehension of what ML wrote for some reason.

"Once the deal to bring Deegan to the race was presented to the partners in the event (which includes the Lawrences)"

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11/24/2024 7:40am

For all the talk of Lawrence’s giving the KO to Deegan why not?  Who is signing the cheques?

If it was me I would think what can he bring to justify the cash?  If it was as reported only 3000 tickets left, to me that just is not worth it.

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11/24/2024 7:56am
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If the Lawrences are willing to bypass start money to be co-promoters of this race there must be a shit ton of money to be made...

If the Lawrences are willing to bypass start money to be co-promoters of this race there must be a shit ton of money to be made promoting SX races.

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Would that not be double dipping?

You misunderstood me. Seeing the money good riders make in start money at some of these races and the Lawrences choosing to co-promote a race instead makes me think there is a shit ton of money to be made in SX promotion.

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11/24/2024 7:59am
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You misunderstood me. Seeing the money good riders make in start money at some of these races and the Lawrences choosing to co-promote a race instead...

You misunderstood me. Seeing the money good riders make in start money at some of these races and the Lawrences choosing to co-promote a race instead makes me think there is a shit ton of money to be made in SX promotion.

I get it but some seem to think is was an act of great generosity for them to forgo a start fee to themselves..

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11/24/2024 8:06am

So basically  Lawrence's blocked them from getting a pay day for 100k, which for any rider with all of their status is a no go your not racing and over seas race in nov/Dec for no start money. As a businessman I get it but it's still a cock block by hunter and jett end of story. 100k is nothing in the scheme of things for this race. What would everyone lose 15 k each among the what 6 promoters/riders. I get it, I do but yeah it a Lawrence cock block.  The race promoters found the money by making an offer and the rider promoters talked them out of it or by the sounds of it just said no. 

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soggy wrote:

*mirtl. 

MxAddic wrote:
For a guy that has made a dozen or more posts claiming to have it all figured out you seem to little to zero comprehension of...

For a guy that has made a dozen or more posts claiming to have it all figured out you seem to little to zero comprehension of what ML wrote for some reason.

"Once the deal to bring Deegan to the race was presented to the partners in the event (which includes the Lawrences)"

Chill out man, I was just being a wise ass for a sec. Mirtl is there agent. He’s handling all of this, that’s why you pay him.  Obviously he will know how the Lawrence’s feel about Deegan but I really doubt either of them were directly involved.  All the conversation was between Haiden’s agent, mirtl, and Bailey/promoters  

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11/24/2024 8:20am Edited Date/Time 11/24/2024 8:23am
MxAddic wrote:

There was no clause.

Clause for what? 

The rumors had there being verbiage in their contracts that prevented Deeg's from racing. Your talk of the brothers contracts led me to post. I am certain the Deegan's are well aware of the brothers partnership in the event from the beginning if that is what you are referring to.

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MxAddic wrote:

There was no clause.

Clause for what? 

MxAddic wrote:
The rumors had there being verbiage in their contracts that prevented Deeg's from racing. Your talk of the brothers contracts led me to post. I am...

The rumors had there being verbiage in their contracts that prevented Deeg's from racing. Your talk of the brothers contracts led me to post. I am certain the Deegan's are well aware of the brothers partnership in the event from the beginning if that is what you are referring to.

*prevented Deegan from getting paid to race, he  is able to sign up and race if he wants too. 

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11/24/2024 8:55am
MxAddic wrote:
The rumors had there being verbiage in their contracts that prevented Deeg's from racing. Your talk of the brothers contracts led me to post. I am...

The rumors had there being verbiage in their contracts that prevented Deeg's from racing. Your talk of the brothers contracts led me to post. I am certain the Deegan's are well aware of the brothers partnership in the event from the beginning if that is what you are referring to.

I feel like I'm missing something here.. Apologies if I am, but I never stated that he wasn't allowed to race, I was talking about the fact it would cost the Lawrence'  personally for him to be there and that would be a flex for Deegan. 

Basically, my point was it was a no lose situation for team Deegs. They pay him to be there, personally out of their pocket, or paint them as the bad guys who stopped him from being paid.

I mean, Deegs wants to race so bad, go race Shane McElrath a week later in Abu Dhabi. I'm sure someone there will pay for that and at least it would be a higher standard of competition for him.. Not by much but higher for sure. 

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11/24/2024 9:03am
I feel like I'm missing something here.. Apologies if I am, but I never stated that he wasn't allowed to race, I was talking about the...

I feel like I'm missing something here.. Apologies if I am, but I never stated that he wasn't allowed to race, I was talking about the fact it would cost the Lawrence'  personally for him to be there and that would be a flex for Deegan. 

Basically, my point was it was a no lose situation for team Deegs. They pay him to be there, personally out of their pocket, or paint them as the bad guys who stopped him from being paid.

I mean, Deegs wants to race so bad, go race Shane McElrath a week later in Abu Dhabi. I'm sure someone there will pay for that and at least it would be a higher standard of competition for him.. Not by much but higher for sure. 

It cost them personally to bring in Webb. I don't see your point.Is anybody that gets paid to show up flexing on them? 

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11/24/2024 9:19am
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It cost them personally to bring in Webb. I don't see your point.Is anybody that gets paid to show up flexing on them? 

Webb was announced before the tickets went on sale and provides somewhat of a race for them. They need someone there to race as competition. What does Deegan offer to an event that's 90% sold out and isnt even going to be racing them? 10% wouldn't cover his pay would it.

And it would definitely be different for Deegan. This is their home race. We all know what he's like. He would definitely tell everyone they needed him there and be smiling about taking money off Jett and Hunter. And for what? To ride around at 50% lapping 2nd place. He'd be laughing his balls off at them. 

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11/24/2024 9:32am
Webb was announced before the tickets went on sale and provides somewhat of a race for them. They need someone there to race as competition. What...

Webb was announced before the tickets went on sale and provides somewhat of a race for them. They need someone there to race as competition. What does Deegan offer to an event that's 90% sold out and isnt even going to be racing them? 10% wouldn't cover his pay would it.

And it would definitely be different for Deegan. This is their home race. We all know what he's like. He would definitely tell everyone they needed him there and be smiling about taking money off Jett and Hunter. And for what? To ride around at 50% lapping 2nd place. He'd be laughing his balls off at them. 

Not laughing nearly as hard as he would be if he gets paid to show up on a 450 as they claim they are open to and takes their lunch money as well.

Just think about what you are saying.

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Webb was announced before the tickets went on sale and provides somewhat of a race for them. They need someone there to race as competition. What...

Webb was announced before the tickets went on sale and provides somewhat of a race for them. They need someone there to race as competition. What does Deegan offer to an event that's 90% sold out and isnt even going to be racing them? 10% wouldn't cover his pay would it.

And it would definitely be different for Deegan. This is their home race. We all know what he's like. He would definitely tell everyone they needed him there and be smiling about taking money off Jett and Hunter. And for what? To ride around at 50% lapping 2nd place. He'd be laughing his balls off at them. 

MxAddic wrote:
Not laughing nearly as hard as he would be if he gets paid to show up on a 450 as they claim they are open to...

Not laughing nearly as hard as he would be if he gets paid to show up on a 450 as they claim they are open to and takes their lunch money as well.

Just think about what you are saying.

Maybe we will be lucky enough for that to happen but it most definitely was not going to be this year. 

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Maybe we will be lucky enough for that to happen but it most definitely was not going to be this year. 

Or any other year anytime soon.

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11/24/2024 9:46am
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If we're talking SX, Deegan is closer to coty schock than he is Jett. Finished off the podium in more than half his career SX races...

If we're talking SX, Deegan is closer to coty schock than he is Jett. Finished off the podium in more than half his career SX races. This is just silly. 

soggy wrote:

That’s a crazy comparison. Deegan is improving rapidly in sx. I bet Jett’s ratio was similar at this point in his career. 

So was Damon Bradshaw, and as great as he was, no title.

 

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If we're talking SX, Deegan is closer to coty schock than he is Jett. Finished off the podium in more than half his career SX races...

If we're talking SX, Deegan is closer to coty schock than he is Jett. Finished off the podium in more than half his career SX races. This is just silly. 

soggy wrote:

That’s a crazy comparison. Deegan is improving rapidly in sx. I bet Jett’s ratio was similar at this point in his career. 

So was Damon Bradshaw, and as great as he was, no title.

 

Didn’t he have a wrist injury that derailed his career?

in these hypotheticals we are obviously assuming good health for the riders. 

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11/24/2024 10:15am
Spoonguy wrote:
You misunderstood me. Seeing the money good riders make in start money at some of these races and the Lawrences choosing to co-promote a race instead...

You misunderstood me. Seeing the money good riders make in start money at some of these races and the Lawrences choosing to co-promote a race instead makes me think there is a shit ton of money to be made in SX promotion.

MxAddic wrote:

I get it but some seem to think is was an act of great generosity for them to forgo a start fee to themselves..

Wrong, only drama queens like yourself think stupid like that🤦‍♂️

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11/24/2024 10:19am
mbw479 wrote:
 It says the promoter thought paying a 250 rider $100,000 to race an event that is already close to sold out was not a worthwhile investment.….that’s...

 It says the promoter thought paying a 250 rider $100,000 to race an event that is already close to sold out was not a worthwhile investment.….that’s all

Spat24 wrote:
Agree the ticket sales would get to or close to a sell out without Degan. But I would think the streaming earnings would have increased more...

Agree the ticket sales would get to or close to a sell out without Degan. But I would think the streaming earnings would have increased more than the $100K For Degan. Sounds like a bad business decision. 

If Deegz was gonna race 250 against very few, if anybody, with world wide name recognition, I don’t see a lot of people tuning in. 

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soggy wrote:

That’s a crazy comparison. Deegan is improving rapidly in sx. I bet Jett’s ratio was similar at this point in his career. 

ando wrote:

First 19 SX starts (where Deegan is at now):

Deegan - 12 top 5’s, 8 podium, 3 wins

Jett - 14 top 5’s, 9 podiums, 6 wins

These numbers don’t tell the whole story, Jett’s look better because he missed 4 races in his first year. I could skew the numbers into 38s...

These numbers don’t tell the whole story, Jett’s look better because he missed 4 races in his first year. I could skew the numbers into 38s favor, by pointing out he was 2nd in his first SX series, when Jett was 10th. 2nd in year two, when Jett was 3rd. But the truth is their careers on the track have been nearly identical up to this point. Other than the fact that one guy needed a lot of help and luck to get his first MX title, and the other one won it a round early in dominating fashion. (As I predicted, a lot of people here said I’d be wrong about that one)

Nothing is skewed, it's just pure stats on their first 19 starts.

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So basically  Lawrence's blocked them from getting a pay day for 100k, which for any rider with all of their status is a no go your...

So basically  Lawrence's blocked them from getting a pay day for 100k, which for any rider with all of their status is a no go your not racing and over seas race in nov/Dec for no start money. As a businessman I get it but it's still a cock block by hunter and jett end of story. 100k is nothing in the scheme of things for this race. What would everyone lose 15 k each among the what 6 promoters/riders. I get it, I do but yeah it a Lawrence cock block.  The race promoters found the money by making an offer and the rider promoters talked them out of it or by the sounds of it just said no. 

Well now you've really upset the fan-bois with that bit of truth. 

You can tell by the number of downvotes.....🤣

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It's funny the number of people who think they were actually calling Jett & Hunter, or Haiden, directly for their input into the process.

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So basically  Lawrence's blocked them from getting a pay day for 100k, which for any rider with all of their status is a no go your...

So basically  Lawrence's blocked them from getting a pay day for 100k, which for any rider with all of their status is a no go your not racing and over seas race in nov/Dec for no start money. As a businessman I get it but it's still a cock block by hunter and jett end of story. 100k is nothing in the scheme of things for this race. What would everyone lose 15 k each among the what 6 promoters/riders. I get it, I do but yeah it a Lawrence cock block.  The race promoters found the money by making an offer and the rider promoters talked them out of it or by the sounds of it just said no. 

Magoofan wrote:

Well now you've really upset the fan-bois with that bit of truth. 

You can tell by the number of downvotes.....🤣

Either Jett and Hunter are out of pocket. Or Deegan potentially is (he had never actually agreed to race or said he was going to, he might have decided they weren't paying him enough still).  

But apparently it's not ok for Jett and Hunter to decide they don't want to lose cash by eating into the event profits just to pump up Deegans bank account.

The event is nearly sold out and paying him to show up and lap second place would have been a stupid business decision that would have put them out of pocket. They made the obvious decision. The exact same decision Deegan would have made if he was in their position. Why spend more money if you can't make more money? 


 

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ando wrote:

First 19 SX starts (where Deegan is at now):

Deegan - 12 top 5’s, 8 podium, 3 wins

Jett - 14 top 5’s, 9 podiums, 6 wins

These numbers don’t tell the whole story, Jett’s look better because he missed 4 races in his first year. I could skew the numbers into 38s...

These numbers don’t tell the whole story, Jett’s look better because he missed 4 races in his first year. I could skew the numbers into 38s favor, by pointing out he was 2nd in his first SX series, when Jett was 10th. 2nd in year two, when Jett was 3rd. But the truth is their careers on the track have been nearly identical up to this point. Other than the fact that one guy needed a lot of help and luck to get his first MX title, and the other one won it a round early in dominating fashion. (As I predicted, a lot of people here said I’d be wrong about that one)

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What about the fact that Deegan was on a SX facility with pro riders all his life while Jett started riding SX for the first time...

What about the fact that Deegan was on a SX facility with pro riders all his life while Jett started riding SX for the first time in 2019? 

Also the whole Deegan vs Jett comparison on the 250 is so overrated because Jett is a whole different rider once he got on the 450. Jett went from winning 45% of the motos on a 250 to 100% of the motos on the 450 in his first year. Jett was coming from behind every moto on a 250 and suddenly became the best starter on a 450. Let's just wait until Deegan moves up and how he handles Sexton and Prado before we even talk about Deegan vs Jett.

They all have certain advantages and disadvantages. Jett technically turned pro at 14. EMX is legit, while DNGR was stuck in the usa amateur system. Jett had an older brother to be the ginny pig so that Jett wouldn’t have to make all the mistakes hunter did(heard that one from Dazzy). They’re careers have been identical up to this point. This year DNGR should dominate much like Jett did in year 3, then hopefully he doesn’t sandbag 250 SX in 26 like Jett did. Your guy would probably have 1 more real title for you to brag about if he didn’t pull that pussy move.

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