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ando wrote:

First 19 SX starts (where Deegan is at now):

Deegan - 12 top 5’s, 8 podium, 3 wins

Jett - 14 top 5’s, 9 podiums, 6 wins

These numbers don’t tell the whole story, Jett’s look better because he missed 4 races in his first year. I could skew the numbers into 38s...

These numbers don’t tell the whole story, Jett’s look better because he missed 4 races in his first year. I could skew the numbers into 38s favor, by pointing out he was 2nd in his first SX series, when Jett was 10th. 2nd in year two, when Jett was 3rd. But the truth is their careers on the track have been nearly identical up to this point. Other than the fact that one guy needed a lot of help and luck to get his first MX title, and the other one won it a round early in dominating fashion. (As I predicted, a lot of people here said I’d be wrong about that one)

ando wrote:

Nothing is skewed, it's just pure stats on their first 19 starts.

If it was pure stats you would have to count the 4 races that Jett missed and scored 0 points due to crashing out by himself. So we’d be looking at 38 with 12, 8, and 3 dubs. And the Jett at 10 top 5s, 5 podiums and 3 dubs.

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These numbers don’t tell the whole story, Jett’s look better because he missed 4 races in his first year. I could skew the numbers into 38s...

These numbers don’t tell the whole story, Jett’s look better because he missed 4 races in his first year. I could skew the numbers into 38s favor, by pointing out he was 2nd in his first SX series, when Jett was 10th. 2nd in year two, when Jett was 3rd. But the truth is their careers on the track have been nearly identical up to this point. Other than the fact that one guy needed a lot of help and luck to get his first MX title, and the other one won it a round early in dominating fashion. (As I predicted, a lot of people here said I’d be wrong about that one)

Mavetism wrote:
What about the fact that Deegan was on a SX facility with pro riders all his life while Jett started riding SX for the first time...

What about the fact that Deegan was on a SX facility with pro riders all his life while Jett started riding SX for the first time in 2019? 

Also the whole Deegan vs Jett comparison on the 250 is so overrated because Jett is a whole different rider once he got on the 450. Jett went from winning 45% of the motos on a 250 to 100% of the motos on the 450 in his first year. Jett was coming from behind every moto on a 250 and suddenly became the best starter on a 450. Let's just wait until Deegan moves up and how he handles Sexton and Prado before we even talk about Deegan vs Jett.

They all have certain advantages and disadvantages. Jett technically turned pro at 14. EMX is legit, while DNGR was stuck in the usa amateur system. Jett...

They all have certain advantages and disadvantages. Jett technically turned pro at 14. EMX is legit, while DNGR was stuck in the usa amateur system. Jett had an older brother to be the ginny pig so that Jett wouldn’t have to make all the mistakes hunter did(heard that one from Dazzy). They’re careers have been identical up to this point. This year DNGR should dominate much like Jett did in year 3, then hopefully he doesn’t sandbag 250 SX in 26 like Jett did. Your guy would probably have 1 more real title for you to brag about if he didn’t pull that pussy move.

You ok?

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Rutgerpol wrote:

I honestly think Anderson is the biggest douche in this whole thing. 

tahoefd wrote:

Anderson didn't do shit. He, Kawi, the promoters, and everyone else knew he wouldn't go. WTF?

LOL - hook, line, and sinker.  Love the Vitards.

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FastEddy wrote:
Did I read that right? 100K start money possibly  for Deegan?   That's insane if so. 5K and travel and hotel paid  should be more than...

Did I read that right? 100K start money possibly  for Deegan?   That's insane if so. 5K and travel and hotel paid  should be more than enough for a 250 exhibition race with zero competition.  Plus the event is already pretty much sold out. I think the promoters would be insane offering any 250 rider or  even a top 450 a 100k

 

These guys at the top of the sport aren't taking a shit for $5k, let alone fly halfway across the world to race.  You kidding me?

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They all have certain advantages and disadvantages. Jett technically turned pro at 14. EMX is legit, while DNGR was stuck in the usa amateur system. Jett...

They all have certain advantages and disadvantages. Jett technically turned pro at 14. EMX is legit, while DNGR was stuck in the usa amateur system. Jett had an older brother to be the ginny pig so that Jett wouldn’t have to make all the mistakes hunter did(heard that one from Dazzy). They’re careers have been identical up to this point. This year DNGR should dominate much like Jett did in year 3, then hopefully he doesn’t sandbag 250 SX in 26 like Jett did. Your guy would probably have 1 more real title for you to brag about if he didn’t pull that pussy move.

lol, are you really calling him DNGR now?? 

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FastEddy wrote:
Did I read that right? 100K start money possibly  for Deegan?   That's insane if so. 5K and travel and hotel paid  should be more than...

Did I read that right? 100K start money possibly  for Deegan?   That's insane if so. 5K and travel and hotel paid  should be more than enough for a 250 exhibition race with zero competition.  Plus the event is already pretty much sold out. I think the promoters would be insane offering any 250 rider or  even a top 450 a 100k

 

MotoDad32 wrote:

These guys at the top of the sport aren't taking a shit for $5k, let alone fly halfway across the world to race.  You kidding me?

Nice little trip, Go see koalas, gators, surfing, white sharks, deadly reptiles, deadly Sheila’s.

No stress race half way thru your two week vacation. 

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They all have certain advantages and disadvantages. Jett technically turned pro at 14. EMX is legit, while DNGR was stuck in the usa amateur system. Jett...

They all have certain advantages and disadvantages. Jett technically turned pro at 14. EMX is legit, while DNGR was stuck in the usa amateur system. Jett had an older brother to be the ginny pig so that Jett wouldn’t have to make all the mistakes hunter did(heard that one from Dazzy). They’re careers have been identical up to this point. This year DNGR should dominate much like Jett did in year 3, then hopefully he doesn’t sandbag 250 SX in 26 like Jett did. Your guy would probably have 1 more real title for you to brag about if he didn’t pull that pussy move.

yak651 wrote:

lol, are you really calling him DNGR now?? 

This made me LOL. I am a Deegan fan, but to start calling him DNGR is super weird lmao 

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They all have certain advantages and disadvantages. Jett technically turned pro at 14. EMX is legit, while DNGR was stuck in the usa amateur system. Jett...

They all have certain advantages and disadvantages. Jett technically turned pro at 14. EMX is legit, while DNGR was stuck in the usa amateur system. Jett had an older brother to be the ginny pig so that Jett wouldn’t have to make all the mistakes hunter did(heard that one from Dazzy). They’re careers have been identical up to this point. This year DNGR should dominate much like Jett did in year 3, then hopefully he doesn’t sandbag 250 SX in 26 like Jett did. Your guy would probably have 1 more real title for you to brag about if he didn’t pull that pussy move.

yak651 wrote:

lol, are you really calling him DNGR now?? 

Kyzer138 wrote:

This made me LOL. I am a Deegan fan, but to start calling him DNGR is super weird lmao 

Welcome to the DNGRZNE. 😂

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My take on it is this. The event was already close to sold out/sold out so from a money stand point, the Lawrences saw money being taken out of their pocket because Deegan wanted his cut. Had the event been struggling with sales it could have ended up a different story. IMO active riders should not be anywhere close to event promo. Could you imagine Sexton being partnered with Feld and being like "Hmm sales are really good this year, i don't need so and so lining up against me. Shit is dumb 

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yak651 wrote:

lol, are you really calling him DNGR now?? 

Kyzer138 wrote:

This made me LOL. I am a Deegan fan, but to start calling him DNGR is super weird lmao 

Mavetism wrote:

Welcome to the DNGRZNE. 😂

Feeling DNGROUS!

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Kyzer138 wrote:

This made me LOL. I am a Deegan fan, but to start calling him DNGR is super weird lmao 

Mavetism wrote:

Welcome to the DNGRZNE. 😂

Kyzer138 wrote:

Feeling DNGROUS!

Can’t have any vowels. Gotta be DNGRS

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They all have certain advantages and disadvantages. Jett technically turned pro at 14. EMX is legit, while DNGR was stuck in the usa amateur system. Jett...

They all have certain advantages and disadvantages. Jett technically turned pro at 14. EMX is legit, while DNGR was stuck in the usa amateur system. Jett had an older brother to be the ginny pig so that Jett wouldn’t have to make all the mistakes hunter did(heard that one from Dazzy). They’re careers have been identical up to this point. This year DNGR should dominate much like Jett did in year 3, then hopefully he doesn’t sandbag 250 SX in 26 like Jett did. Your guy would probably have 1 more real title for you to brag about if he didn’t pull that pussy move.

yak651 wrote:

lol, are you really calling him DNGR now?? 

In a few years he'll just go by some hieroglyphic symbol and it'll be the racer formerly known as DNGR. The fan boys will all get the tattoo on their forearm, etc. 

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In a few years he'll just go by some hieroglyphic symbol and it'll be the racer formerly known as DNGR. The fan boys will all get...

In a few years he'll just go by some hieroglyphic symbol and it'll be the racer formerly known as DNGR. The fan boys will all get the tattoo on their forearm, etc. 

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So basically  Lawrence's blocked them from getting a pay day for 100k, which for any rider with all of their status is a no go your...

So basically  Lawrence's blocked them from getting a pay day for 100k, which for any rider with all of their status is a no go your not racing and over seas race in nov/Dec for no start money. As a businessman I get it but it's still a cock block by hunter and jett end of story. 100k is nothing in the scheme of things for this race. What would everyone lose 15 k each among the what 6 promoters/riders. I get it, I do but yeah it a Lawrence cock block.  The race promoters found the money by making an offer and the rider promoters talked them out of it or by the sounds of it just said no. 

Magoofan wrote:

Well now you've really upset the fan-bois with that bit of truth. 

You can tell by the number of downvotes.....🤣

Our overlord hath spoken. Yee shall bow to the ever knowing magoo fan! The arbiter of all things on vital! Head Vitard!  Thou who hath downvoted must be from henceforth a fanboi! It hath been declarethed! No, ye shall not disagree with Magoofan for his panties buncheth upeth. 

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It would be SCK if ANSR signed DNGR

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ML512 wrote:
Here you all be...and for once, it's written, not a video:https://www.vitalmx.com/features/deegan-snubbed-and-lawrences-blamed-ausx-open-facts

Here you all be...and for once, it's written, not a video:

https://www.vitalmx.com/features/deegan-snubbed-and-lawrences-blamed-au…

Thank you for the written content. I am probably in the minority but I so much prefer to be able to read the stories versus listen to or watch. 

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So after reading it....Lawrences are in the business part of Aus-X, but are also racing it. Directly making paid-opponent attendance decisions if certain riders will be given the invite. If that's not a blatant "conflict of interests", I don't know what is. Just like how a fighter can't bet on his own fight because he can directly affect the outcome. Their reason being, "we don't have any other top riders lined up to compete with him, so we'll revoke the deal" is the lamest excuse I've heard in a while.

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So basically  Lawrence's blocked them from getting a pay day for 100k, which for any rider with all of their status is a no go your...

So basically  Lawrence's blocked them from getting a pay day for 100k, which for any rider with all of their status is a no go your not racing and over seas race in nov/Dec for no start money. As a businessman I get it but it's still a cock block by hunter and jett end of story. 100k is nothing in the scheme of things for this race. What would everyone lose 15 k each among the what 6 promoters/riders. I get it, I do but yeah it a Lawrence cock block.  The race promoters found the money by making an offer and the rider promoters talked them out of it or by the sounds of it just said no. 

Magoofan wrote:

Well now you've really upset the fan-bois with that bit of truth. 

You can tell by the number of downvotes.....🤣

mxlegend99 wrote:
Either Jett and Hunter are out of pocket. Or Deegan potentially is (he had never actually agreed to race or said he was going to, he...

Either Jett and Hunter are out of pocket. Or Deegan potentially is (he had never actually agreed to race or said he was going to, he might have decided they weren't paying him enough still).  

But apparently it's not ok for Jett and Hunter to decide they don't want to lose cash by eating into the event profits just to pump up Deegans bank account.

The event is nearly sold out and paying him to show up and lap second place would have been a stupid business decision that would have put them out of pocket. They made the obvious decision. The exact same decision Deegan would have made if he was in their position. Why spend more money if you can't make more money? 


 

Was going to say the same thing. The event it almost already sold out. Does anyone really care to watch Deegan lap the whole field as the only 250 headliner. It would be like watching Derek Jeter show up to a high school baseball game and whoop everyone’s ass. Not very entertaining. Now if he was going to race a 450 or had signed a deal before tickets were almost sold out that would be a different story. 

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11/25/2024 9:52am Edited Date/Time 11/25/2024 9:52am
Magoofan wrote:

Well now you've really upset the fan-bois with that bit of truth. 

You can tell by the number of downvotes.....🤣

mxlegend99 wrote:
Either Jett and Hunter are out of pocket. Or Deegan potentially is (he had never actually agreed to race or said he was going to, he...

Either Jett and Hunter are out of pocket. Or Deegan potentially is (he had never actually agreed to race or said he was going to, he might have decided they weren't paying him enough still).  

But apparently it's not ok for Jett and Hunter to decide they don't want to lose cash by eating into the event profits just to pump up Deegans bank account.

The event is nearly sold out and paying him to show up and lap second place would have been a stupid business decision that would have put them out of pocket. They made the obvious decision. The exact same decision Deegan would have made if he was in their position. Why spend more money if you can't make more money? 


 

mikelawlor wrote:
Was going to say the same thing. The event it almost already sold out. Does anyone really care to watch Deegan lap the whole field as...

Was going to say the same thing. The event it almost already sold out. Does anyone really care to watch Deegan lap the whole field as the only 250 headliner. It would be like watching Derek Jeter show up to a high school baseball game and whoop everyone’s ass. Not very entertaining. Now if he was going to race a 450 or had signed a deal before tickets were almost sold out that would be a different story. 

Your baseball reference is lacking but if Shohei Ohtani showed up at a high school game it would be an insanely big deal. People love superstars 

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nrosso391 wrote:
So after reading it....Lawrences are in the business part of Aus-X, but are also racing it. Directly making paid-opponent attendance decisions if certain riders will be...

So after reading it....Lawrences are in the business part of Aus-X, but are also racing it. Directly making paid-opponent attendance decisions if certain riders will be given the invite. If that's not a blatant "conflict of interests", I don't know what is. Just like how a fighter can't bet on his own fight because he can directly affect the outcome. Their reason being, "we don't have any other top riders lined up to compete with him, so we'll revoke the deal" is the lamest excuse I've heard in a while.

Except its all-conjuncture BS purely intended to splash dirt on one of the nicest hardworking families in Motocross. An inspiration to families around the world that you can make it and remain normal. 

For some reason this drives a family of social media influencers nuts with jealousy, so they turn their little bought and paid for social media machine at them nonstop. 

 

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Magoofan wrote:

Well now you've really upset the fan-bois with that bit of truth. 

You can tell by the number of downvotes.....🤣

mxlegend99 wrote:
Either Jett and Hunter are out of pocket. Or Deegan potentially is (he had never actually agreed to race or said he was going to, he...

Either Jett and Hunter are out of pocket. Or Deegan potentially is (he had never actually agreed to race or said he was going to, he might have decided they weren't paying him enough still).  

But apparently it's not ok for Jett and Hunter to decide they don't want to lose cash by eating into the event profits just to pump up Deegans bank account.

The event is nearly sold out and paying him to show up and lap second place would have been a stupid business decision that would have put them out of pocket. They made the obvious decision. The exact same decision Deegan would have made if he was in their position. Why spend more money if you can't make more money? 


 

mikelawlor wrote:
Was going to say the same thing. The event it almost already sold out. Does anyone really care to watch Deegan lap the whole field as...

Was going to say the same thing. The event it almost already sold out. Does anyone really care to watch Deegan lap the whole field as the only 250 headliner. It would be like watching Derek Jeter show up to a high school baseball game and whoop everyone’s ass. Not very entertaining. Now if he was going to race a 450 or had signed a deal before tickets were almost sold out that would be a different story. 

hmmmm...

"yes, their representation did say that past comments and interactions with Deegan and his camp are also a reason they denied the financial request to attend"

 

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Talon wrote:
My take on it is this. The event was already close to sold out/sold out so from a money stand point, the Lawrences saw money being...

My take on it is this. The event was already close to sold out/sold out so from a money stand point, the Lawrences saw money being taken out of their pocket because Deegan wanted his cut. Had the event been struggling with sales it could have ended up a different story. IMO active riders should not be anywhere close to event promo. Could you imagine Sexton being partnered with Feld and being like "Hmm sales are really good this year, i don't need so and so lining up against me. Shit is dumb 

Reading is fundamental. The Lawrences aren't the only two with a vote. ML's breakdown said the Lawrences are part of a group of investors in the promotion group. I'll bet Mirtl has their proxy in this and the Lawrences weren't aware of this until the public teeth gnashing started. 

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Reading is fundamental. The Lawrences aren't the only two with a vote. ML's breakdown said the Lawrences are part of a group of investors in the...

Reading is fundamental. The Lawrences aren't the only two with a vote. ML's breakdown said the Lawrences are part of a group of investors in the promotion group. I'll bet Mirtl has their proxy in this and the Lawrences weren't aware of this until the public teeth gnashing started. 

Wrong!

See my post above. 

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Except its all-conjuncture BS purely intended to splash dirt on one of the nicest hardworking families in Motocross. An inspiration to families around the world that...

Except its all-conjuncture BS purely intended to splash dirt on one of the nicest hardworking families in Motocross. An inspiration to families around the world that you can make it and remain normal. 

For some reason this drives a family of social media influencers nuts with jealousy, so they turn their little bought and paid for social media machine at them nonstop. 

 

Some irony in this post for sure.

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Magoofan wrote:

Well now you've really upset the fan-bois with that bit of truth. 

You can tell by the number of downvotes.....🤣

mxlegend99 wrote:
Either Jett and Hunter are out of pocket. Or Deegan potentially is (he had never actually agreed to race or said he was going to, he...

Either Jett and Hunter are out of pocket. Or Deegan potentially is (he had never actually agreed to race or said he was going to, he might have decided they weren't paying him enough still).  

But apparently it's not ok for Jett and Hunter to decide they don't want to lose cash by eating into the event profits just to pump up Deegans bank account.

The event is nearly sold out and paying him to show up and lap second place would have been a stupid business decision that would have put them out of pocket. They made the obvious decision. The exact same decision Deegan would have made if he was in their position. Why spend more money if you can't make more money? 


 

mikelawlor wrote:
Was going to say the same thing. The event it almost already sold out. Does anyone really care to watch Deegan lap the whole field as...

Was going to say the same thing. The event it almost already sold out. Does anyone really care to watch Deegan lap the whole field as the only 250 headliner. It would be like watching Derek Jeter show up to a high school baseball game and whoop everyone’s ass. Not very entertaining. Now if he was going to race a 450 or had signed a deal before tickets were almost sold out that would be a different story. 

From ML

The Deegan camp confirmed they were asked to directly connect with the Lawrences to move forward and maybe find a resolution. They stated they didn't find it necessary to move in that direction because they felt that was how they were told to bow down.

Did the Lawrences block Deegan from racing? Not exactly. Did they block him from getting paid to do so? Yes, they did. Is this wrong? In some eyes maybe. It's also business and their right with what they negotiated, especially being a form of partner in the event.

 

Look, I don't have a dog in the fight. I enjoy every rider that gets out there and races from the guy in a pick up, to vince the freeze Friese, jett, hunter and the deegens. Don't get me wrong I never liked how mxsports gave the deegs preferential treatment at LL but it is what it is. I have zero axes to grind with any rider.

 

But that doesn't change the fact that it's a cock block by the Lawrence's. Haiden was hurt, feels he's ready to race and wanted to come out. The people who put on the race found 100k to offer him. If the money wasn't there they would have never proposed the offer to their partners. There's 6 or 7 promoters between the guys that actually put on the race, the ambassador promoters in the Lawrence's and Webb. Again it's not really a financial issue. Deegan brings in more eyes for the event. Period. From a marketing aspect there's no reason for it, I get it it's almost sold out ect ect. But there's proably 100k+ sets of eyeballs on the Deegans at least that might not even know who the Lawrence's are. It could add some excitement and hype to the 250 class even though he would likely run away with it. Why would you not want the extra streamers/audience. Again on the back end their not losing shit by giving him 100k. Again what are they losing 15-20k a person. This is a couple people not separating personal from business. They cock blocked him from getting a payday. An most of the guys at their level are not going to risk their SX season with out making it worth it. The Lawrence's wanted to flex and they did. It is what it is. 

As far as the Derek Jeter remark. Go to YouTube and look up pro athletes playing exhibitions with/for kids. They get tons of views and press. 

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nrosso391 wrote:
So after reading it....Lawrences are in the business part of Aus-X, but are also racing it. Directly making paid-opponent attendance decisions if certain riders will be...

So after reading it....Lawrences are in the business part of Aus-X, but are also racing it. Directly making paid-opponent attendance decisions if certain riders will be given the invite. If that's not a blatant "conflict of interests", I don't know what is. Just like how a fighter can't bet on his own fight because he can directly affect the outcome. Their reason being, "we don't have any other top riders lined up to compete with him, so we'll revoke the deal" is the lamest excuse I've heard in a while.

You don’t find it interesting that they payed Webb that was Jett’s ”title threat” this winter? THAT would have been a conflict of interest.

But on the other side, Webb has kept it professional with the family, never bad mouthed them and praised Jett when asked about him.

Maybe if the Deegans had acted the same, the outcome could have been different…

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nrosso391 wrote:
So after reading it....Lawrences are in the business part of Aus-X, but are also racing it. Directly making paid-opponent attendance decisions if certain riders will be...

So after reading it....Lawrences are in the business part of Aus-X, but are also racing it. Directly making paid-opponent attendance decisions if certain riders will be given the invite. If that's not a blatant "conflict of interests", I don't know what is. Just like how a fighter can't bet on his own fight because he can directly affect the outcome. Their reason being, "we don't have any other top riders lined up to compete with him, so we'll revoke the deal" is the lamest excuse I've heard in a while.

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You don’t find it interesting that they payed Webb that was Jett’s ”title threat” this winter? THAT would have been a conflict of interest.But on the...

You don’t find it interesting that they payed Webb that was Jett’s ”title threat” this winter? THAT would have been a conflict of interest.

But on the other side, Webb has kept it professional with the family, never bad mouthed them and praised Jett when asked about him.

Maybe if the Deegans had acted the same, the outcome could have been different…

“Bow down or else”

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“Bow down or else”

Or act the way you want other people to treat you… 

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ando wrote:

Nothing is skewed, it's just pure stats on their first 19 starts.

Compare their first 19 starts outdoors now. Both have been top notch 250 riders. Whether it will continue on an upward trajectory for Deegan remains to be seen, but so far I think Deegan’s stats have been slightly better outdoors when compared to Jett’s first two seasons. 

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