SoCal MX.. Pro novices

mattyhamz2
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4/24/2024 11:02am
SoCalMX70 wrote:
For OTHG, new members are evaluated over 2 races for proper placement. They are given minimum points for each race regardless of finish. Once placed, there...

For OTHG, new members are evaluated over 2 races for proper placement. They are given minimum points for each race regardless of finish. Once placed, there is an advancement points system to keep people moving up.

The Race Director can also bump anyone at any time if it's obvious a rider isn't where they belong.

We also keep track of non-members who show up frequently and bump them if necessary.

I don't know if anyone is more strict than OTHG (South Chapter in this case) on making sure racers are truly where they belong. Some people still try their hardest to game the system, but we don't put up with it.

Now, we do have the 2nd Annual OTHG Classic coming up, which is a once a year deal that's structured differently and wide open to all vet riders... There will certainly be some more sandbaggers, but it's a fun event and all members get full points just for attending.

Edit: To answer your actual question, there is no written rule for that. We simply suggest this information to new members. Someone who, for example, races Novice with Swap Moto/2X/AMA races, etc. is likely Intermediate or Expert speed in our club. If they don't take our advice and blow everyone's doors off, they'll get bumped anyway. To expand a bit more, our beginners are TRUE beginners, rolling everything on the track, Novice riders jump a quarter to half the jumps, and it goes from there. Intermediate is the first level where you see everyone hitting everything and getting around fairly quick. We don't have novices throwing down and scrubbing everything like you tend to see elsewhere.

mattyhamz2 wrote:
It might have been someone I talked to that raced with OTHG that told me that. It’s been a few years since I had heard that...

It might have been someone I talked to that raced with OTHG that told me that. It’s been a few years since I had heard that last. I immediately went looking on OTHG website and didn’t see it, but figured either you or one of the other gang riders would clarify it for me!

SoCalMX70 wrote:

You going to join us at Perris or GH? You're Intermediate, btw. 🤣

With the amount of time I've been off the bike?? Laughing I'm gunna get smoked! I'll be lucky to get one lap in at their pace, haha! I honestly don't know if I'll be able to make it to Perris or either Glen Helen, but I am shooting for LACR. 

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4/24/2024 11:07am
mattyhamz2 wrote:
It might have been someone I talked to that raced with OTHG that told me that. It’s been a few years since I had heard that...

It might have been someone I talked to that raced with OTHG that told me that. It’s been a few years since I had heard that last. I immediately went looking on OTHG website and didn’t see it, but figured either you or one of the other gang riders would clarify it for me!

SoCalMX70 wrote:

You going to join us at Perris or GH? You're Intermediate, btw. 🤣

mattyhamz2 wrote:
With the amount of time I've been off the bike??  I'm gunna get smoked! I'll be lucky to get one lap in at their pace, haha! I...

With the amount of time I've been off the bike?? Laughing I'm gunna get smoked! I'll be lucky to get one lap in at their pace, haha! I honestly don't know if I'll be able to make it to Perris or either Glen Helen, but I am shooting for LACR. 

I've seen you ride enough to know you'd be in the mix. You and I might battle a little and you'd probably smoke me.

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4/24/2024 11:27am
SoCalMX70 wrote:

You going to join us at Perris or GH? You're Intermediate, btw. 🤣

mattyhamz2 wrote:
With the amount of time I've been off the bike??  I'm gunna get smoked! I'll be lucky to get one lap in at their pace, haha! I...

With the amount of time I've been off the bike?? Laughing I'm gunna get smoked! I'll be lucky to get one lap in at their pace, haha! I honestly don't know if I'll be able to make it to Perris or either Glen Helen, but I am shooting for LACR. 

SoCalMX70 wrote:

I've seen you ride enough to know you'd be in the mix. You and I might battle a little and you'd probably smoke me.

I appreciate the compliment! You've for sure got me on fitness and seat time. I think the only advantage I'd have is the 450, but I'm so out of shape the 450 advantage would be the start and coming out of corners until I get tired. Laughing I've seen your recent videos, you've got me beat 

sam hain
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4/24/2024 12:06pm
sandman768 wrote:

The fragile egos of Mx racing 👍…. 

Not just MX, two dudes I personally know race 45A in our local hare scramble series will race one or two local GNCC's a year and drop down to 40C. Get their trophies, post them on facebook and drive home. They've done it for years.

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4/24/2024 12:46pm
sandman768 wrote:

The fragile egos of Mx racing 👍…. 

sam hain wrote:
Not just MX, two dudes I personally know race 45A in our local hare scramble series will race one or two local GNCC's a year and...

Not just MX, two dudes I personally know race 45A in our local hare scramble series will race one or two local GNCC's a year and drop down to 40C. Get their trophies, post them on facebook and drive home. They've done it for years.

Those dudes seem to have little integrity.....

4/24/2024 1:24pm

With everyone running transponders at a lot of tracks it would be easy to keep A or B class right before or after C class and if ypur times put you in the top 10 of the next class you get bumped. But no one wants to do that

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4/24/2024 1:31pm
With everyone running transponders at a lot of tracks it would be easy to keep A or B class right before or after C class and...

With everyone running transponders at a lot of tracks it would be easy to keep A or B class right before or after C class and if ypur times put you in the top 10 of the next class you get bumped. But no one wants to do that

and ruin their chances of being a C class national champion at Loretta's, preposterous! 

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sam hain
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4/24/2024 1:51pm
With everyone running transponders at a lot of tracks it would be easy to keep A or B class right before or after C class and...

With everyone running transponders at a lot of tracks it would be easy to keep A or B class right before or after C class and if ypur times put you in the top 10 of the next class you get bumped. But no one wants to do that

While I fully agree with you, in today's society half the people racing (your business) would stop coming if tracks enforced fair competition. Just like the 'suspected' stuff going on with Ferry, if dudes can't flex their trophies on FB and IG what's the point in racing? *sarcasm*

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4/24/2024 2:19pm
With everyone running transponders at a lot of tracks it would be easy to keep A or B class right before or after C class and...

With everyone running transponders at a lot of tracks it would be easy to keep A or B class right before or after C class and if ypur times put you in the top 10 of the next class you get bumped. But no one wants to do that

sam hain wrote:
While I fully agree with you, in today's society half the people racing (your business) would stop coming if tracks enforced fair competition. Just like the...

While I fully agree with you, in today's society half the people racing (your business) would stop coming if tracks enforced fair competition. Just like the 'suspected' stuff going on with Ferry, if dudes can't flex their trophies on FB and IG what's the point in racing? *sarcasm*

This 100%. I’ve seen and heard it first hand 

4/24/2024 9:50pm

This is a demoralizing/frustrating issue for real novices like me and it seems to happen all over.  I rode clapped out cheap bikes in the woods when I was a kid, but family was way too poor to afford an mx bike or go track riding.  I bought my first real mx bike last year at 29 and started riding the local track 1-2 times a month.  Really enjoyed myself and tried to steadily improve.  Eventually I signed up for our local series and went on the practice day before the race, riding in what was listed as the "big bike novice" group.  There were some guys basically bar-dragging through the deep ruts, scrubbing jumps and launching the biggest jumps on the track with ease.  I didn't even bother racing the next day because I figured I would get in the way.  

I'm still trying to improve every time I ride and hope to make a couple local races later this year.  It just sucks to line up against guys that have been riding MX tracks for decades in the novice class.  

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4/25/2024 8:47am
Ob917 wrote:
C class guys in southern Cal are way faster than they are where you are from, and probably faster than your A class guys. It just...

C class guys in southern Cal are way faster than they are where you are from, and probably faster than your A class guys. It just is what it is. 

In 1995 , I was applying for a spot to ride for North County Yamaha's support team. Im from NC.  The guy was having me complete a questionnaire over the phone. He asked what class i would be riding. I told him 125/250B. He said, "That is same as C class here in Cali". I was offended. HAHA!! Now I know he was right. Some of those CA C class guys would burn the place up in B here in the east, and maybe even mid pack for A class. Getting to ride year round from the time you are 4 is an amazing thing! 

 

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4/25/2024 8:53am
This is a demoralizing/frustrating issue for real novices like me and it seems to happen all over.  I rode clapped out cheap bikes in the woods...

This is a demoralizing/frustrating issue for real novices like me and it seems to happen all over.  I rode clapped out cheap bikes in the woods when I was a kid, but family was way too poor to afford an mx bike or go track riding.  I bought my first real mx bike last year at 29 and started riding the local track 1-2 times a month.  Really enjoyed myself and tried to steadily improve.  Eventually I signed up for our local series and went on the practice day before the race, riding in what was listed as the "big bike novice" group.  There were some guys basically bar-dragging through the deep ruts, scrubbing jumps and launching the biggest jumps on the track with ease.  I didn't even bother racing the next day because I figured I would get in the way.  

I'm still trying to improve every time I ride and hope to make a couple local races later this year.  It just sucks to line up against guys that have been riding MX tracks for decades in the novice class.  

Just stay in your bubble so to speak and make it about your enjoyment. Sandbaggers=Shit, don't let them sour what you enjoy. Annoying AF, but if losers like that need the boost, just let 'em have it. Keep riding for yourself.

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