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So one of the top Moto racers at Baja 500 last weekend, Nic Garvin, was seriously injured and is lucky to be alive. Got in a head on with a UTV. The post I read from Desert Assasins makes it sound like he wasn't on the race course when it happened.

Can anyone with some insight explain how this happened?

*Edited my original post as I now understand better and I do not want to come across as accusatory like my original post did.

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6/14/2021 10:48am Edited Date/Time 6/14/2021 10:49am
I've done a few baja-type of races and there is always people looking for a short cut regardless of GPS etc etc. For example Ive seen people dropping the vehicle and walking through a shortcut to the GPS point or getting off course to gain time
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6/14/2021 10:54am
I read that too, major props to the guy with the chopper who flew him back to US soil. I was wondering what that meant by not on the main course as well, maybe he was headed back to a pit?
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6/14/2021 10:56am
From my understanding he wasn't on the race bike, but instead riding from his first leg of the race to the second part of his race while his teammates were on the race bike on the course. He was cruising at nowhere near race pace when the UTV crossed over the road and hit him. Sounds like he was fortunate to run into Cameron Steele and Shane Redline went way out of their way to help out Garvin and get him ambulance rides and helicopter rides (Shane volunteered his personal one I believe) as well as getting his passport from the hotel to get him back to San Diego to a hospital. He's had a few surgeries, but will be down a long recovery stage due to his injuries.

As far as the cheating aspect, I don't race Baja so I can't say anything about that. Would assume that people would try to though due to human nature. I remember seeing it happen blatantly in Dust to Glory. Would have to venture out and think that the GPS tracking is cutting down on that, I thought it had some feature that said when it was too far off course

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6/14/2021 11:10am
Whoa there on the course-cutting: He was headed to a pit to meet the race bike to 'get back on it' for another section he was going to race...later.

He was on the cross-over road riding rather cautiously and STILL got smashed by a UTV.

Sadly, from my own experience, nothing good is happening for us off-roaders in the upper part of the peninsula...as of late. And that's coming from a guy that loves Baja and just got done riding another Rip to Cabo.
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6/14/2021 11:12am Edited Date/Time 6/14/2021 11:14am
rk337 wrote:
From my understanding he wasn't on the race bike, but instead riding from his first leg of the race to the second part of his race...
From my understanding he wasn't on the race bike, but instead riding from his first leg of the race to the second part of his race while his teammates were on the race bike on the course. He was cruising at nowhere near race pace when the UTV crossed over the road and hit him. Sounds like he was fortunate to run into Cameron Steele and Shane Redline went way out of their way to help out Garvin and get him ambulance rides and helicopter rides (Shane volunteered his personal one I believe) as well as getting his passport from the hotel to get him back to San Diego to a hospital. He's had a few surgeries, but will be down a long recovery stage due to his injuries.

As far as the cheating aspect, I don't race Baja so I can't say anything about that. Would assume that people would try to though due to human nature. I remember seeing it happen blatantly in Dust to Glory. Would have to venture out and think that the GPS tracking is cutting down on that, I thought it had some feature that said when it was too far off course

Well, last Baja 1K I raced...we had to run a Stella...so they ALWAYS know where you're at, how fast you've gone (Costs ya A LOT of points/time if caught cheating in a controlled speed zone). You stay on the course or it costs ya.

Also, pretty sure Shane flew him to San Diego. Shane is a trail-buddy, fellow Ripper, Texas Bad Ass and an absolute kook on the trail. My kind of peeps.
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6/14/2021 11:13am
Thanks for the clarification fellas, hoping for a speedy recovery, Nic had some good momentum going this year.
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From what I hear what with the tracking, you pretty much gotta stay on the course (or something like within 25').
I always hear stories of other "creative" race craft, though.

Xeno would know for sure.
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I heard a story about a well known baja racer (he's in his 60's now and a very good friend) who maneuvered about prior to the track keeper system...
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Tim507 wrote:
I heard a story about a well known baja racer (he's in his 60's now and a very good friend) who maneuvered about prior to the...
I heard a story about a well known baja racer (he's in his 60's now and a very good friend) who maneuvered about prior to the track keeper system...
Yup

There was a time when the really fast guys went AROUND the Sta Rita Whoops...went AROUND the Silt Beds...etc.
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Tim507 wrote:
I heard a story about a well known baja racer (he's in his 60's now and a very good friend) who maneuvered about prior to the...
I heard a story about a well known baja racer (he's in his 60's now and a very good friend) who maneuvered about prior to the track keeper system...
TeamGreen wrote:
Yup

There was a time when the really fast guys went AROUND the Sta Rita Whoops...went AROUND the Silt Beds...etc.
It ain't no secret that "creative lines" (maybe cheating is too harsh?) used to be the way of doing business in Baja. Hell, some of the legends of our sport who are damn fine people have done it, my original post was not meant to be a shot at Nic's moral compass and is why I left his name out of it.

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Tim507 wrote:
I heard a story about a well known baja racer (he's in his 60's now and a very good friend) who maneuvered about prior to the...
I heard a story about a well known baja racer (he's in his 60's now and a very good friend) who maneuvered about prior to the track keeper system...
TeamGreen wrote:
Yup

There was a time when the really fast guys went AROUND the Sta Rita Whoops...went AROUND the Silt Beds...etc.
LungButter wrote:
It ain't no secret that "creative lines" (maybe cheating is too harsh?) used to be the way of doing business in Baja. Hell, some of the...
It ain't no secret that "creative lines" (maybe cheating is too harsh?) used to be the way of doing business in Baja. Hell, some of the legends of our sport who are damn fine people have done it, my original post was not meant to be a shot at Nic's moral compass and is why I left his name out of it.

No worries.

I was having fun with it.
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Nic Garvin was using a common race strategy in Baja: race the start to Valle Trinidad area, hand the bike off to a teammate, then transfer to the Pacific side of the peninusla and wait for the race bike to come up the coast, then race to the finish in Ensenda. The transfer route is a wide dirt road called "Cut-across road", it's a maintained dirt road used by locals, ranchers, military and racers. You can take a truck or bike to make this transfer. SCORE does not allow a "banded" racer to transfer via aircraft once that racer has competed in (on) the race vehicle.

In 2010 I was chasing the JCR team at Baja 1000 and we had an accident on the same Cut-across road. We came around a blind corner and there's two locals cutting the corner too tight in a Toyota mini truck. We smashed into the driver's side of the Toyota. Really no damage at all to the chase truck. Nobody injured fortunately. We we not speeding or in a hurry becusae we already finished our chase duties by following the two race bikes from Ojos to San Matias.

I feel horrible for Nic, and the one thing I want to convey is that he certianly wasn't in a hurry on this transfer section. His teammates had to cover at least 250 miles of rough race course before Nic would see the bike again. That's 5 to 6 hours. The transfer section from Valle T to San Vicente is probably an hour and a half at a mellow, trail-ride pace.
Plenty of time to transfer to the rider change pit, have a rest, hydrate and wait for the race bike.
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Thanks for the insight Xeno.

I edited my original post to not paint Nic in any shady light.
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Hope Nic heals up well!!!

Man, that is some scary shtuff.
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When I raced at Baja in 2014 my Dad was in the chase truck. He said they almost died about 7 times coming across to meet me at the other end of my leg. The scoring system then, or so we were told, was that you had to cross within 50 feet of each GPS marker or be docked. My section ran west to east across the mountain range at the bottom end of the course, there wasn't much opportunity to skip or cut much trail. A lot of the time was spent driving along with a rock wall on one side and a cliff on the other.
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Tim507 wrote:
I heard a story about a well known baja racer (he's in his 60's now and a very good friend) who maneuvered about prior to the...
I heard a story about a well known baja racer (he's in his 60's now and a very good friend) who maneuvered about prior to the track keeper system...
I got to do a fair bit of riding years ago with a multi time Baja winner on several Honda teams, he was in his early 50s at the time and still had more speed through the sand whoops than any of the local "pros" that I regularly rode with at the time.

He had desert savvy that can only come through the school of hard knocks.

It was pretty amazing to hear him talk about taking notes while pre-running and literally knowing whether to go inside or outside on corners for hundreds of miles of race course.

Hell of a dude, NW guy, maybe the same guy.
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6/14/2021 1:48pm Edited Date/Time 6/14/2021 1:49pm
Tim507 wrote:
I heard a story about a well known baja racer (he's in his 60's now and a very good friend) who maneuvered about prior to the...
I heard a story about a well known baja racer (he's in his 60's now and a very good friend) who maneuvered about prior to the track keeper system...
LungButter wrote:
I got to do a fair bit of riding years ago with a multi time Baja winner on several Honda teams, he was in his early...
I got to do a fair bit of riding years ago with a multi time Baja winner on several Honda teams, he was in his early 50s at the time and still had more speed through the sand whoops than any of the local "pros" that I regularly rode with at the time.

He had desert savvy that can only come through the school of hard knocks.

It was pretty amazing to hear him talk about taking notes while pre-running and literally knowing whether to go inside or outside on corners for hundreds of miles of race course.

Hell of a dude, NW guy, maybe the same guy.
P.O.?
Edit- might not be old enough. Well, maybe.
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Tim507 wrote:
I heard a story about a well known baja racer (he's in his 60's now and a very good friend) who maneuvered about prior to the...
I heard a story about a well known baja racer (he's in his 60's now and a very good friend) who maneuvered about prior to the track keeper system...
LungButter wrote:
I got to do a fair bit of riding years ago with a multi time Baja winner on several Honda teams, he was in his early...
I got to do a fair bit of riding years ago with a multi time Baja winner on several Honda teams, he was in his early 50s at the time and still had more speed through the sand whoops than any of the local "pros" that I regularly rode with at the time.

He had desert savvy that can only come through the school of hard knocks.

It was pretty amazing to hear him talk about taking notes while pre-running and literally knowing whether to go inside or outside on corners for hundreds of miles of race course.

Hell of a dude, NW guy, maybe the same guy.
Nope, my friend lives in S Cal......
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FWYT wrote:
P.O.?
Edit- might not be old enough. Well, maybe.
Yes sir. Maybe he was in his 40s at the time, either way when your 21 or so anyone over 35 seems OLD Laughing

Dude is an absolute wealth of knowledge on reading terrain in the desert and any Honda 4 stroke built before 2007ish is in pretty good hands if he's turning the wrenches!
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6/14/2021 2:05pm Edited Date/Time 6/14/2021 2:14pm
I rode rm 105 to check 1 near Meling ranch. No fear on the track, but I was scared to death on the highways. Shit like this.... https://fb.watch/67vvAZ7FVj/
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FWYT wrote:
P.O.?
Edit- might not be old enough. Well, maybe.
LungButter wrote:
Yes sir. Maybe he was in his 40s at the time, either way when your 21 or so anyone over 35 seems OLD :laugh: Dude is...
Yes sir. Maybe he was in his 40s at the time, either way when your 21 or so anyone over 35 seems OLD Laughing

Dude is an absolute wealth of knowledge on reading terrain in the desert and any Honda 4 stroke built before 2007ish is in pretty good hands if he's turning the wrenches!
Dude is a LEGEND!!!!!!! Really great guy, too.

I remember seeing him come down to pre-run one year . . . he had bought some old POS four- door sedan car, taken off the trunk lid and had his bike IN THE TRUNK. hahahahhahaha

Another famous story about how he had a wheel bearing fail on his trailer. Being a PNW guy, of course he had a chainsaw with him so he went out, cut down a tree and chopped it into blocks. Then he would chain a block to the
trailer as a skid and replace as needed till he got to where he could fix it. Great dude.
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Separate to this, but, Desert Racing:

The Finke Desert Race was on this weekend here in OZ. A 2 day 'there and back' desert event.

Sadly, a race vehicle went off course, hit some spectators, one of who died. Another is said to be in critical condition.

It was on prime time TV news (not the actual accident, and, even without an accident, that inevitably attracts 'Vulture News', it is covered every year in the regular Sports News TV segments)), and a Lady who was standing beside the departed, was interviewed. She said (and another bloke said), they were just too close. But, at the pace those vehicles and bikes go, if something goes wrong, too close could be a long way from the course.....

They stopped the race - it was on the 2nd day, on the return - but some of the field had finished. They said Toby Price had won in his (US 'Trophy' spec, I think) Truck.
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RonSkj wrote:
I rode rm 105 to check 1 near Meling ranch. No fear on the track, but I was scared to death on the highways. Shit like...
I rode rm 105 to check 1 near Meling ranch. No fear on the track, but I was scared to death on the highways. Shit like this.... https://fb.watch/67vvAZ7FVj/
Holy shit, that video gave me anxiety just watching it.
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RonSkj wrote:
I rode rm 105 to check 1 near Meling ranch. No fear on the track, but I was scared to death on the highways. Shit like...
I rode rm 105 to check 1 near Meling ranch. No fear on the track, but I was scared to death on the highways. Shit like this.... https://fb.watch/67vvAZ7FVj/
the guys that do this stupid shit, need to be banned for a few races.. this is completely ridiculous.. talk about wearing out your welcome.. pretty soon they wont let anybody race there because of jackasses like those guys...
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RonSkj wrote:
I rode rm 105 to check 1 near Meling ranch. No fear on the track, but I was scared to death on the highways. Shit like...
I rode rm 105 to check 1 near Meling ranch. No fear on the track, but I was scared to death on the highways. Shit like this.... https://fb.watch/67vvAZ7FVj/
TSCHAM101 wrote:
the guys that do this stupid shit, need to be banned for a few races.. this is completely ridiculous.. talk about wearing out your welcome.. pretty...
the guys that do this stupid shit, need to be banned for a few races.. this is completely ridiculous.. talk about wearing out your welcome.. pretty soon they wont let anybody race there because of jackasses like those guys...
Were those trucks race support / race related vehicles, and Not locals playing the "I"m Bigger Than You " game?

If those Trucks were Race related, and it's common for support vehicles to do that, cripes, it's surprising that the Mexicans allow you blokes to use their country as an Off Road play ground. $$$$$$$ brought in, I guess.
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Bearuno wrote:
Were those trucks race support / race related vehicles, and Not locals playing the "I"m Bigger Than You " game? If those Trucks were Race related...
Were those trucks race support / race related vehicles, and Not locals playing the "I"m Bigger Than You " game?

If those Trucks were Race related, and it's common for support vehicles to do that, cripes, it's surprising that the Mexicans allow you blokes to use their country as an Off Road play ground. $$$$$$$ brought in, I guess.
They’re race related. It’s not common and not encouraged. Plus there truck was way way back. Hey here guys we’re complete asshats and the whole off road community absolutely lit into them. Pretty sure they will be receiving a ban from SCORE events
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