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kb228 4/1/2019 5:44am
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Eddieg15 wrote:
Hmmm. 200 hrs on a rebuild top end on a 450. Yep junk??. Try that on a jap bike
Literally every jap bike will do 200 hours dude
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Eddieg15 wrote:
Hmmm. 200 hrs on a rebuild top end on a 450. Yep junk??. Try that on a jap bike
kb228 wrote:
Literally every jap bike will do 200 hours dude
Coming from a guy who replaces pistons in his 450 every ten hours
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fourfourone 4/1/2019 6:28am
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ill keep my jap bike. The forks have a much better chance of staying on the bike
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Goon126 4/1/2019 6:39am
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I was wondering where the "KTMs are better than everything and Yamaha sucks" thread of the week was. Ahh here it is.
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Eddieg15 4/1/2019 7:26am
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Eddieg15 wrote:
Hmmm. 200 hrs on a rebuild top end on a 450. Yep junk??. Try that on a jap bike
r18b wrote:
Guess you slow as fuck Laughing 50 hours rebuild on a 450.. 25 till 30 hours on 250. That is what the riders do here.
?????don't get but hurt. Oh jap bike. Ok
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FuzzyLogic 4/1/2019 7:30am
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I think if you would quit arguing about your personal experience with the brand and look at the statistics you would see that they have been dominant. The whole package from the bikes, manager, mechanics, TRAINER, and riders are top tier.

The results in MXGP aren't bad either.
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seth505 4/1/2019 7:33am
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Post facts about KTM winning and this is 97% of Vital



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KTM#88 4/1/2019 7:36am
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Wonder what there plan is for the 250 class, been there worst season for years. Do they have any amateur riders jumping up next year?
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kb228 4/1/2019 7:38am
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Eddieg15 wrote:
Hmmm. 200 hrs on a rebuild top end on a 450. Yep junk??. Try that on a jap bike
kb228 wrote:
Literally every jap bike will do 200 hours dude
BobPA wrote:
Coming from a guy who replaces pistons in his 450 every ten hours
i went to 5 hours. Gotta be extra safe!
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mattyhamz2 4/1/2019 7:48am
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KTM#88 wrote:
Wonder what there plan is for the 250 class, been there worst season for years. Do they have any amateur riders jumping up next year?
Nope. Holding riders down for next year Tongue

Just playin... Sorta.

I think Pierce Brown is racing outdoors. He should be good for them!
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-MAVERICK- 4/1/2019 7:54am
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KTM#88 wrote:
Wonder what there plan is for the 250 class, been there worst season for years. Do they have any amateur riders jumping up next year?
mattyhamz2 wrote:
Nope. Holding riders down for next year Tongue

Just playin... Sorta.

I think Pierce Brown is racing outdoors. He should be good for them!
I think Pierce is moving up after Loretta's.

Peely would know.
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Derek Harris 4/1/2019 8:13am
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Eddieg15 wrote:
Hmmm. 200 hrs on a rebuild top end on a 450. Yep junk??. Try that on a jap bike
kb228 wrote:
Literally every jap bike will do 200 hours dude
Not mine

2 kx450s both broke under 40

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mattyhamz2 4/1/2019 8:22am
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Squirrelings wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/04/01/335390/s1200_23BD452E_6F85_41E2_9DCD_0A142C64EA91.jpg[/img]

Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
Arrowangel 4/1/2019 8:27am
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Eddieg15 wrote:
Hmmm. 200 hrs on a rebuild top end on a 450. Yep junk??. Try that on a jap bike
kb228 wrote:
Literally every jap bike will do 200 hours dude
Derek Harris wrote:
Not mine

2 kx450s both broke under 40

make it 3 kx's. 2017 450f , 26.5 hours. tensioner malfunction... destroyed chain /valves/cam
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Bultaco 4/1/2019 10:28am
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TeamGreen wrote:
Georgie is the BEST Vital-Fisherman
Between you and me, I think he needs to change bait. Doesn't seem to be catching much this thread. ??

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TeamGreen 4/1/2019 10:34am
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TeamGreen wrote:
Georgie is the BEST Vital-Fisherman
Bultaco wrote:
Between you and me, I think he needs to change bait. Doesn't seem to be catching much this thread. ??
He still makes me chuckle...
Btw, 2 MASSIVE Holeys at Hangtown, yesterday...
Combined 30/40/50 race...oh, & I’m 55...fat...& slow.

I was on a KTM!

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MXVet261 4/1/2019 10:44am
4/1/2019 10:44am Edited Date/Time 4/1/2019 10:47am
Roger D manages Team Honda 80's/90's....they improve the bike, hire the best riders, win everything.
Roger D manages Team Suzuki 90's/00's....they improve the bike, hire the best riders, win everything.
Roger D manages Team KTM/Husky 010's....they improve the bike, hire the best riders, win everything.

There are exceptions of course and Kawasaki has has their own great runs of titles, but Roger really has proven to create winning Teams over decades.

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Sluggo77 4/1/2019 11:09am
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MXVet261 wrote:
Roger D manages Team Honda 80's/90's....they improve the bike, hire the best riders, win everything. Roger D manages Team Suzuki 90's/00's....they improve the bike, hire the...
Roger D manages Team Honda 80's/90's....they improve the bike, hire the best riders, win everything.
Roger D manages Team Suzuki 90's/00's....they improve the bike, hire the best riders, win everything.
Roger D manages Team KTM/Husky 010's....they improve the bike, hire the best riders, win everything.

There are exceptions of course and Kawasaki has has their own great runs of titles, but Roger really has proven to create winning Teams over decades.

This seems about right. Do Roger's teams hire the best riders or do the best riders want to work with him? Dungey for one...perhaps winners are drawn to each other.
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Madmax31 4/1/2019 11:12am
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I rode a 2019 FE Husky 450 the other day and have to say I can't imagine anything being close to that good. Webb jumping on that and immediately being better is very understandable. I think if Eli was on one he'd be a little better as well.
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RACERX69 4/1/2019 11:25am
4/1/2019 11:25am Edited Date/Time 4/1/2019 11:27am
I remember when MXGEOFF posted a thread here about 5 years ago claiming KTM would soon begin to dominate US SX and MX and would eventually establish themselves as the next 80's era Team Honda. Of course, his sanity was called into question and a Vitard beatdown of epic proportion quickly ensued. As much as I still think MXGEOFF is a DBag, he got that one right.
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AceDudemeister 4/1/2019 11:41am
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fox1nz wrote:
Every week they consistently have 5-6 of the top ten in the 450 class cruising the track. The week MM25 won his first race that looked...
Every week they consistently have 5-6 of the top ten in the 450 class cruising the track.
The week MM25 won his first race that looked like a scripted game plan to me. And if you have half of the top ten on the same brand, thats going to get harder and harder to compete with if you on a Japanese bike.
And I'm guessing The Man is the Coach of the players in this game.
That race looked like a training day run for those guys.
The Japanese have significantly more resources than KTM. At any moment they can redesign their bikes, if they wanted to.

I guess nobody remembers when Honda’s took almost everything, from the late 60s until McGrath left? I also remember when KTM was lucky to get a top 10.
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wreckitrandy 4/1/2019 11:47am
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Squirrelings wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/04/01/335390/s1200_23BD452E_6F85_41E2_9DCD_0A142C64EA91.jpg[/img]

The podium has been pretty full of it as well...
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GeorgiePorgie 4/1/2019 11:54am
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fox1nz wrote:
Every week they consistently have 5-6 of the top ten in the 450 class cruising the track. The week MM25 won his first race that looked...
Every week they consistently have 5-6 of the top ten in the 450 class cruising the track.
The week MM25 won his first race that looked like a scripted game plan to me. And if you have half of the top ten on the same brand, thats going to get harder and harder to compete with if you on a Japanese bike.
And I'm guessing The Man is the Coach of the players in this game.
That race looked like a training day run for those guys.
AceDudemeister wrote:
The Japanese have significantly more resources than KTM. At any moment they can redesign their bikes, if they wanted to. I guess nobody remembers when Honda’s...
The Japanese have significantly more resources than KTM. At any moment they can redesign their bikes, if they wanted to.

I guess nobody remembers when Honda’s took almost everything, from the late 60s until McGrath left? I also remember when KTM was lucky to get a top 10.
THIS GUY GETS IT. the lucky heaps won’t be on top for too much longer.
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Eddieg15 4/1/2019 12:03pm
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fox1nz wrote:
Every week they consistently have 5-6 of the top ten in the 450 class cruising the track. The week MM25 won his first race that looked...
Every week they consistently have 5-6 of the top ten in the 450 class cruising the track.
The week MM25 won his first race that looked like a scripted game plan to me. And if you have half of the top ten on the same brand, thats going to get harder and harder to compete with if you on a Japanese bike.
And I'm guessing The Man is the Coach of the players in this game.
That race looked like a training day run for those guys.
AceDudemeister wrote:
The Japanese have significantly more resources than KTM. At any moment they can redesign their bikes, if they wanted to. I guess nobody remembers when Honda’s...
The Japanese have significantly more resources than KTM. At any moment they can redesign their bikes, if they wanted to.

I guess nobody remembers when Honda’s took almost everything, from the late 60s until McGrath left? I also remember when KTM was lucky to get a top 10.
I remember when they couldn't make it to the main. And the 200 hrs is ktm recommendations not mine
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Bultaco 4/2/2019 8:18am
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AceDudemeister wrote:
The Japanese have significantly more resources than KTM. At any moment they can redesign their bikes, if they wanted to. I guess nobody remembers when Honda’s...
The Japanese have significantly more resources than KTM. At any moment they can redesign their bikes, if they wanted to.

I guess nobody remembers when Honda’s took almost everything, from the late 60s until McGrath left? I also remember when KTM was lucky to get a top 10.
McGrath left Honda in 97. TwentyTwo years ago. I remember when if you were not riding a Bultaco, a Maico, CZ or Husky, you were not going to do well.
But this isn't 45 years ago. Any more than this is 22 years ago.

The Japanese have amazing resources and engineering available. But they're not using those resources building dirt bikes. KTM is.
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AceDudemeister 4/4/2019 9:21pm
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Bultaco wrote:
McGrath left Honda in 97. TwentyTwo years ago. I remember when if you were not riding a Bultaco, a Maico, CZ or Husky, you were not...
McGrath left Honda in 97. TwentyTwo years ago. I remember when if you were not riding a Bultaco, a Maico, CZ or Husky, you were not going to do well.
But this isn't 45 years ago. Any more than this is 22 years ago.

The Japanese have amazing resources and engineering available. But they're not using those resources building dirt bikes. KTM is.
It’s a fact that when the economy turned downward the Japanese held what they had and stopped developing new products. People should be happy the motocross sector didn’t follow the 600 sport bike sector. This opened the door for KTM. KTM did the opposite and began rapid development and spending on their motocross bikesduring this time.

People ought to be thankful to KTM otherwise we would likely still be riding 2007/08 models in 2019. KTM forced the others to at least invest something.

Now the economy is turning back and KTM is a force. It will be interisting to see what the Japanese do.
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