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FLmxer 10/12/2015 10:06am
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jasonv43 wrote:
Just curious which other riders you are talking about and how do we know they are having less damage? Not trying to turn this thread into...
Just curious which other riders you are talking about and how do we know they are having less damage? Not trying to turn this thread into "that" thread either.
IWreckALot wrote:
Tomac taking a digger in the whoops, Bell's chadapult in the Dallas SX. Was Wil Hahn's crash with a 6D? I know he was running Shoei...
Tomac taking a digger in the whoops, Bell's chadapult in the Dallas SX. Was Wil Hahn's crash with a 6D? I know he was running Shoei for some time and may still be. I forget on that one.

I know the other side of the argument too. It's impossible to say what would have been the case in the other brand helmets. . .
mattyhamz2 wrote:
Yes Wils crash he was wearing a 6D and cracked his skull. Bell was also wearing it when he chadapulted and knocked himself out. I read...
Yes Wils crash he was wearing a 6D and cracked his skull. Bell was also wearing it when he chadapulted and knocked himself out. I read in another thread the other day that asterisk let him go back out that night because of them trying to promote the 6D helmet, which to me risked Bells life.
Wil was and always wears a Shoei. Personal sponsor for years.
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IWreckALot wrote:
Tomac taking a digger in the whoops, Bell's chadapult in the Dallas SX. Was Wil Hahn's crash with a 6D? I know he was running Shoei...
Tomac taking a digger in the whoops, Bell's chadapult in the Dallas SX. Was Wil Hahn's crash with a 6D? I know he was running Shoei for some time and may still be. I forget on that one.

I know the other side of the argument too. It's impossible to say what would have been the case in the other brand helmets. . .
mattyhamz2 wrote:
Yes Wils crash he was wearing a 6D and cracked his skull. Bell was also wearing it when he chadapulted and knocked himself out. I read...
Yes Wils crash he was wearing a 6D and cracked his skull. Bell was also wearing it when he chadapulted and knocked himself out. I read in another thread the other day that asterisk let him go back out that night because of them trying to promote the 6D helmet, which to me risked Bells life.
FLmxer wrote:
Wil was and always wears a Shoei. Personal sponsor for years.
FLmxer: Incorrect. Wil Hahn wore a 6D in 2013.

mattyhamz2: Wil was wearing a Shoei helmet when he cracked his skull in 2014. He rode for Geico on a 450 and was allowed personal deals, so he wore a Shoei instead of a 6D.

That Evan guy is full of it on Asterisk letting him go out because a sponsor pushed them to)
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mattyhamz2 10/12/2015 10:12am
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IWreckALot wrote:
Tomac taking a digger in the whoops, Bell's chadapult in the Dallas SX. Was Wil Hahn's crash with a 6D? I know he was running Shoei...
Tomac taking a digger in the whoops, Bell's chadapult in the Dallas SX. Was Wil Hahn's crash with a 6D? I know he was running Shoei for some time and may still be. I forget on that one.

I know the other side of the argument too. It's impossible to say what would have been the case in the other brand helmets. . .
mattyhamz2 wrote:
Yes Wils crash he was wearing a 6D and cracked his skull. Bell was also wearing it when he chadapulted and knocked himself out. I read...
Yes Wils crash he was wearing a 6D and cracked his skull. Bell was also wearing it when he chadapulted and knocked himself out. I read in another thread the other day that asterisk let him go back out that night because of them trying to promote the 6D helmet, which to me risked Bells life.
FLmxer wrote:
Wil was and always wears a Shoei. Personal sponsor for years.
You're right he was wearing a shoei when he crashed last year. But he was wearing a 6D the year before when he was on 250s.
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FLmxer 10/12/2015 10:12am
10/12/2015 10:12am Edited Date/Time 10/12/2015 10:15am
Right on but he was wearing a Shoei when he hurt his head. I have had four Shoei and wearing my first 6d this past year so I noticed he was still wearing Shoei while the rest of the team wore 6d.

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He's one lucky dude
Very.
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jeffro503 10/12/2015 10:30am
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Man , you can't get off a bike much worse than that. Really happy to hear that he'll be alright. Don't know if it's a testament to the 6D helmet , or RJ just being one tough friggin' kid!
GeorgiePorgie 10/12/2015 10:31am
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Where is startedtoosoon? Nowhere to be found.


How that kid didn't break atleast his collarbone is beyond me. Wow. Those 6d helmets are damn good helmets and he STILL had a brain bleed. Wow.
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jasonv43 10/12/2015 10:38am
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I seem to remember the Asterisk crew compiling some crash data from the SX races. Did that info ever get put out or are they still working on it?

Or am I delirious from lack of sleep last night.Dizzy
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IWreckALot 10/12/2015 10:41am
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jasonv43 wrote:
I seem to remember the Asterisk crew compiling some crash data from the SX races. Did that info ever get put out or are they still...
I seem to remember the Asterisk crew compiling some crash data from the SX races. Did that info ever get put out or are they still working on it?

Or am I delirious from lack of sleep last night.Dizzy
I have a feeling that the data they've complied so far is such a small sample group that you wouldn't be able to deduct any meaningful information from it. But it would be cool to hear if it's still in progress.
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jasonv43 10/12/2015 10:42am
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jasonv43 wrote:
I seem to remember the Asterisk crew compiling some crash data from the SX races. Did that info ever get put out or are they still...
I seem to remember the Asterisk crew compiling some crash data from the SX races. Did that info ever get put out or are they still working on it?

Or am I delirious from lack of sleep last night.Dizzy
IWreckALot wrote:
I have a feeling that the data they've complied so far is such a small sample group that you wouldn't be able to deduct any meaningful...
I have a feeling that the data they've complied so far is such a small sample group that you wouldn't be able to deduct any meaningful information from it. But it would be cool to hear if it's still in progress.
I would be interested to hear any info they have.
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TallonT911 10/12/2015 10:53am
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jasonv43 wrote:
Just curious which other riders you are talking about and how do we know they are having less damage? Not trying to turn this thread into...
Just curious which other riders you are talking about and how do we know they are having less damage? Not trying to turn this thread into "that" thread either.
IWreckALot wrote:
Tomac taking a digger in the whoops, Bell's chadapult in the Dallas SX. Was Wil Hahn's crash with a 6D? I know he was running Shoei...
Tomac taking a digger in the whoops, Bell's chadapult in the Dallas SX. Was Wil Hahn's crash with a 6D? I know he was running Shoei for some time and may still be. I forget on that one.

I know the other side of the argument too. It's impossible to say what would have been the case in the other brand helmets. . .
mattyhamz2 wrote:
Yes Wils crash he was wearing a 6D and cracked his skull. Bell was also wearing it when he chadapulted and knocked himself out. I read...
Yes Wils crash he was wearing a 6D and cracked his skull. Bell was also wearing it when he chadapulted and knocked himself out. I read in another thread the other day that asterisk let him go back out that night because of them trying to promote the 6D helmet, which to me risked Bells life.
He's been wearing shoei since he moved up to 450's.
Edit: Sorry should have checked second page before posting


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Olson 10/12/2015 11:13am
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Not sure if thread title means faint of heart for stupid comments or photos of RJs crash. Maybe both?
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OnRails 10/12/2015 11:20am
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Helmet = concussion + brain bleed
Helmet + neck brace = collar bone? sternum? spine? concussion + brain bleed?

Those things are bear traps and all i can think of is what other injuries would have come along with his concussion had he been wearing one.
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GuyB 10/12/2015 11:24am
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OnRails wrote:
Helmet = concussion + brain bleed Helmet + neck brace = collar bone? sternum? spine? concussion + brain bleed? Those things are bear traps and all...
Helmet = concussion + brain bleed
Helmet + neck brace = collar bone? sternum? spine? concussion + brain bleed?

Those things are bear traps and all i can think of is what other injuries would have come along with his concussion had he been wearing one.
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GuyB 10/12/2015 11:25am
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jasonv43 wrote:
I seem to remember the Asterisk crew compiling some crash data from the SX races. Did that info ever get put out or are they still...
I seem to remember the Asterisk crew compiling some crash data from the SX races. Did that info ever get put out or are they still working on it?

Or am I delirious from lack of sleep last night.Dizzy
They're always compiling data. That doesn't necessarily mean you're getting a report on your desk on Monday morning.
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hvaughn88 10/12/2015 11:33am
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mattyhamz2 wrote:
Yes Wils crash he was wearing a 6D and cracked his skull. Bell was also wearing it when he chadapulted and knocked himself out. I read...
Yes Wils crash he was wearing a 6D and cracked his skull. Bell was also wearing it when he chadapulted and knocked himself out. I read in another thread the other day that asterisk let him go back out that night because of them trying to promote the 6D helmet, which to me risked Bells life.
FLmxer wrote:
Wil was and always wears a Shoei. Personal sponsor for years.
ML512 wrote:
FLmxer: Incorrect. Wil Hahn wore a 6D in 2013. mattyhamz2: Wil was wearing a Shoei helmet when he cracked his skull in 2014. He rode for...
FLmxer: Incorrect. Wil Hahn wore a 6D in 2013.

mattyhamz2: Wil was wearing a Shoei helmet when he cracked his skull in 2014. He rode for Geico on a 450 and was allowed personal deals, so he wore a Shoei instead of a 6D.

That Evan guy is full of it on Asterisk letting him go out because a sponsor pushed them to)
Who is that guy? He puts some pretty "out there" stuff on here and then makes it sound like it's from close sources.
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GuyB 10/12/2015 11:33am
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Here's the link to the thread and a screenshot of what the guy said. Again, could be a bunch of crap but if it is true...
Here's the link to the thread and a screenshot of what the guy said. Again, could be a bunch of crap but if it is true it's pretty bad on everyone involved.

I think that guy has no idea what he's talking about, and he doesn't post here any more. My choice, not his.
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OnRails 10/12/2015 11:36am
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OnRails wrote:
Helmet = concussion + brain bleed Helmet + neck brace = collar bone? sternum? spine? concussion + brain bleed? Those things are bear traps and all...
Helmet = concussion + brain bleed
Helmet + neck brace = collar bone? sternum? spine? concussion + brain bleed?

Those things are bear traps and all i can think of is what other injuries would have come along with his concussion had he been wearing one.
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[img]http://wp.production.patheos.com/blogs/monkeymind/files/2015/08/Thats_just_your_opinion.jpg[/img]
Ya, you know what it's probably just coincidence they aren't worn by ~85% of pros. Hugely coincidental weird trend...........






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hvaughn88 10/12/2015 11:39am
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OnRails wrote:
Ya, you know what it's probably just coincidence they aren't worn by ~85% of pros. Hugely coincidental weird trend........... [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2015/10/12/107801/s1200_Bear_trap_real.jpg[/img]
Ya, you know what it's probably just coincidence they aren't worn by ~85% of pros. Hugely coincidental weird trend...........






I get what you're saying, but at the same time, I wouldn't listen to 85% of pros for anything to do with the anatomy of the human body, haha
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Tpog496 10/12/2015 11:39am
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GuyB wrote:
I think that guy has no idea what he's talking about, and he doesn't post here any more. My choice, not his.
Keep up the good work GuyB.
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GuyB 10/12/2015 11:43am
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There was a time when they were. Like after this video that we did.



I'm not sure if David still feels the same way or not. But I do know it usually takes something bad to happen to make people rethink their stance on safety gear. We've been lucky for quite a few years now. Let's hope we continue that way.
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seth505 10/12/2015 11:51am
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OnRails wrote:
Ya, you know what it's probably just coincidence they aren't worn by ~85% of pros. Hugely coincidental weird trend........... [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2015/10/12/107801/s1200_Bear_trap_real.jpg[/img]
Ya, you know what it's probably just coincidence they aren't worn by ~85% of pros. Hugely coincidental weird trend...........






hvaughn88 wrote:
I get what you're saying, but at the same time, I wouldn't listen to 85% of pros for anything to do with the anatomy of the...
I get what you're saying, but at the same time, I wouldn't listen to 85% of pros for anything to do with the anatomy of the human body, haha
100% of pros that get paid to ride, ride the brand of bike they are paid to ride. I don't listen to them on what bike to purchase Cool
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jasonv43 10/12/2015 11:56am
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jasonv43 wrote:
I seem to remember the Asterisk crew compiling some crash data from the SX races. Did that info ever get put out or are they still...
I seem to remember the Asterisk crew compiling some crash data from the SX races. Did that info ever get put out or are they still working on it?

Or am I delirious from lack of sleep last night.Dizzy
GuyB wrote:
They're always compiling data. That doesn't necessarily mean you're getting a report on your desk on Monday morning.
Haha. I'm sure I'm the last guy to get a report like that on my desk. I just remember some chatter in another thread and it seemed like there was something in the works. It was a while ago. Maybe a Zach Bell thread?
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OnRails 10/12/2015 11:56am
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100% of pros that get paid to ride, ride the brand of bike they are paid to ride. I don't listen to them on what bike...
100% of pros that get paid to ride, ride the brand of bike they are paid to ride. I don't listen to them on what bike to purchase Cool
Not sure what you said.
You listen to the ones getting paid to wear neck braces?
You listen to the ones not wearing a neck brace?
GER_shortymx 10/12/2015 12:02pm
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Well, seems like 'this' thread is actually turning into 'that' thread. While I'm not 100% sure about the neck brace talk (Lot of arguments for and against), I know a little bit about the helmet thingy- The problem with those crashes is not the impact itself, it's the rotational acceleration that costs you the concussion. That's why more and more helmets have 2 shells or a similar system which can move seperately. It brakes the acceleration a little, BUT, Bob Weber (Founder of the 6D helmets) said himself that it only works in low and mid speed crashes well. Something like Bell and RJ had, wouldn't fall in that category I suppose... Weber also said that these acceleration happens when something stops the helmet, like the edges of modern designed helmets (Shoei, and all these good looking helmets). That's why he tried to make a compromise between a good looking but round helmet.

So that's just what I know- and it made sense to me when I read it. So helmets like the 6D, Moto 9-Flex, V3 and V4, Arai seem safer to me than Shoei for example does.
Buuut, I'm not a doctor. But the current movement in helmet technology seems like a step into the right direction.
GER_shortymx 10/12/2015 12:03pm
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Haha. I'm sure I'm the last guy to get a report like that on my desk. I just remember some chatter in another thread and it...
Haha. I'm sure I'm the last guy to get a report like that on my desk. I just remember some chatter in another thread and it seemed like there was something in the works. It was a while ago. Maybe a Zach Bell thread?
I think it's from the QnA with the head of the Astersik Medical Crew. Don't remember his name but that was the most interesting thread ever
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jasonv43 10/12/2015 12:48pm
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jasonv43 wrote:
Haha. I'm sure I'm the last guy to get a report like that on my desk. I just remember some chatter in another thread and it...
Haha. I'm sure I'm the last guy to get a report like that on my desk. I just remember some chatter in another thread and it seemed like there was something in the works. It was a while ago. Maybe a Zach Bell thread?
GER_shortymx wrote:
I think it's from the QnA with the head of the Astersik Medical Crew. Don't remember his name but that was the most interesting thread ever
Yeah it was something like that. Thought maybe it was Eddie C that had mentioned it.
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mx965 10/12/2015 12:51pm
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GuyB wrote:
There was a time when they were. Like after this video that we did. I'm not sure if David still feels the same way or not...
There was a time when they were. Like after this video that we did.



I'm not sure if David still feels the same way or not. But I do know it usually takes something bad to happen to make people rethink their stance on safety gear. We've been lucky for quite a few years now. Let's hope we continue that way.
I dont think David realized the implications of the leatt brace. I know 2 people personally that broke their back 1 paralyzed because of the leatt brace. That was coming from the doctor who treated the one who was paralyzed as well.
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hvaughn88 10/12/2015 12:59pm
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mx965 wrote:
I dont think David realized the implications of the leatt brace. I know 2 people personally that broke their back 1 paralyzed because of the leatt...
I dont think David realized the implications of the leatt brace. I know 2 people personally that broke their back 1 paralyzed because of the leatt brace. That was coming from the doctor who treated the one who was paralyzed as well.
So you're saying that the brace caused them to be paralyzed?
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seth505 10/12/2015 1:11pm
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100% of pros that get paid to ride, ride the brand of bike they are paid to ride. I don't listen to them on what bike...
100% of pros that get paid to ride, ride the brand of bike they are paid to ride. I don't listen to them on what bike to purchase Cool
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Not sure what you said.
You listen to the ones getting paid to wear neck braces?
You listen to the ones not wearing a neck brace?
Was just making a point, that I don't buy stuff based on endorsements or biases, especially safety equipment. I am no mr.safety though so Im not an authority on it, just my take.

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