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mx965 10/12/2015 1:24pm
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mx965 wrote:
I dont think David realized the implications of the leatt brace. I know 2 people personally that broke their back 1 paralyzed because of the leatt...
I dont think David realized the implications of the leatt brace. I know 2 people personally that broke their back 1 paralyzed because of the leatt brace. That was coming from the doctor who treated the one who was paralyzed as well.
hvaughn88 wrote:
So you're saying that the brace caused them to be paralyzed?
Like I said in my first post, One of these people WAS paralyzed and the doctor who treated him came to the conclusion that the leatt brace COULD have been at fault for this. Something about the pressure of the brace on that certain part of the spine.
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hvaughn88 10/12/2015 1:28pm
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mx965 wrote:
I dont think David realized the implications of the leatt brace. I know 2 people personally that broke their back 1 paralyzed because of the leatt...
I dont think David realized the implications of the leatt brace. I know 2 people personally that broke their back 1 paralyzed because of the leatt brace. That was coming from the doctor who treated the one who was paralyzed as well.
hvaughn88 wrote:
So you're saying that the brace caused them to be paralyzed?
mx965 wrote:
Like I said in my first post, One of these people WAS paralyzed and the doctor who treated him came to the conclusion that the leatt...
Like I said in my first post, One of these people WAS paralyzed and the doctor who treated him came to the conclusion that the leatt brace COULD have been at fault for this. Something about the pressure of the brace on that certain part of the spine.
what post are you talking about because you didn't say "was" or "could have" in the post I quoted?
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mx965 10/12/2015 1:30pm
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hvaughn88 wrote:
So you're saying that the brace caused them to be paralyzed?
mx965 wrote:
Like I said in my first post, One of these people WAS paralyzed and the doctor who treated him came to the conclusion that the leatt...
Like I said in my first post, One of these people WAS paralyzed and the doctor who treated him came to the conclusion that the leatt brace COULD have been at fault for this. Something about the pressure of the brace on that certain part of the spine.
hvaughn88 wrote:
what post are you talking about because you didn't say "was" or "could have" in the post I quoted?
ok buddy
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hvaughn88 10/12/2015 1:32pm
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mx965 wrote:
Like I said in my first post, One of these people WAS paralyzed and the doctor who treated him came to the conclusion that the leatt...
Like I said in my first post, One of these people WAS paralyzed and the doctor who treated him came to the conclusion that the leatt brace COULD have been at fault for this. Something about the pressure of the brace on that certain part of the spine.
hvaughn88 wrote:
what post are you talking about because you didn't say "was" or "could have" in the post I quoted?
mx965 wrote:
ok buddy
wait a second, what do you mean "Ok buddy?" You clearly stated "I know 2 people personally that broke their back 1 paralyzed because of the leatt brace." did you not? So once again, i'm asking, so you're saying that the brace caused them to be paralyzed?

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mx965 10/12/2015 1:35pm
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hvaughn88 wrote:
what post are you talking about because you didn't say "was" or "could have" in the post I quoted?
mx965 wrote:
ok buddy
hvaughn88 wrote:
wait a second, what do you mean "Ok buddy?" You clearly stated "I know 2 people personally that broke their back 1 paralyzed because of the...
wait a second, what do you mean "Ok buddy?" You clearly stated "I know 2 people personally that broke their back 1 paralyzed because of the leatt brace." did you not? So once again, i'm asking, so you're saying that the brace caused them to be paralyzed?
Yeah just like I just described to you.
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hvaughn88 10/12/2015 1:41pm
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mx965 wrote:
ok buddy
hvaughn88 wrote:
wait a second, what do you mean "Ok buddy?" You clearly stated "I know 2 people personally that broke their back 1 paralyzed because of the...
wait a second, what do you mean "Ok buddy?" You clearly stated "I know 2 people personally that broke their back 1 paralyzed because of the leatt brace." did you not? So once again, i'm asking, so you're saying that the brace caused them to be paralyzed?
mx965 wrote:
Yeah just like I just described to you.
That's a pretty bold statement.
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mx965 10/12/2015 1:44pm
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hvaughn88 wrote:
wait a second, what do you mean "Ok buddy?" You clearly stated "I know 2 people personally that broke their back 1 paralyzed because of the...
wait a second, what do you mean "Ok buddy?" You clearly stated "I know 2 people personally that broke their back 1 paralyzed because of the leatt brace." did you not? So once again, i'm asking, so you're saying that the brace caused them to be paralyzed?
mx965 wrote:
Yeah just like I just described to you.
hvaughn88 wrote:
That's a pretty bold statement.
yep, well it came from a doctor who is most likely much more intelligent that you and I combined about the human body so you an take it for what it is worth, please dont quote me in another post asking me to go in to further detail.
djdesignsco.mx 10/12/2015 1:46pm
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Yes Wils crash he was wearing a 6D and cracked his skull. Bell was also wearing it when he chadapulted and knocked himself out. I read...
Yes Wils crash he was wearing a 6D and cracked his skull. Bell was also wearing it when he chadapulted and knocked himself out. I read in another thread the other day that asterisk let him go back out that night because of them trying to promote the 6D helmet, which to me risked Bells life.
IWreckALot wrote:
Well that's pretty messed up if it's true. Hard to imagine it being true though. You recall the thread by chance?
mattyhamz2 wrote:
Here's the link to the thread and a screenshot of what the guy said. Again, could be a bunch of crap but if it is true...
Here's the link to the thread and a screenshot of what the guy said. Again, could be a bunch of crap but if it is true it's pretty bad on everyone involved.

To each there own but let's be real people he crashes everyone he races in....we all have better track records than him !! Motos favorite saying....we can work with speed!!!
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hvaughn88 10/12/2015 1:50pm
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mx965 wrote:
Yeah just like I just described to you.
hvaughn88 wrote:
That's a pretty bold statement.
mx965 wrote:
yep, well it came from a doctor who is most likely much more intelligent that you and I combined about the human body so you an...
yep, well it came from a doctor who is most likely much more intelligent that you and I combined about the human body so you an take it for what it is worth, please dont quote me in another post asking me to go in to further detail.
Do you not understand why it comes across as lame to throw that kind of accusation out there, but not at least elaborate on it? You're not giving the company the same respect you're asking me to give you. And keep in mind, I'm not arguing that it is/isn't accurate.
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Motofinne 10/12/2015 2:00pm
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I remember that a few years ago a kid in Italy got paralyzed because of the Leatt Brace, the back part pressured right on the spine and he got serious damage.

I think that Omega, Ortema and the Atlas neck braces are better because of the fact that they won't put pressure on the spine. That is just what i think, no facts here.
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mx965 10/12/2015 2:02pm
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hvaughn88 wrote:
That's a pretty bold statement.
mx965 wrote:
yep, well it came from a doctor who is most likely much more intelligent that you and I combined about the human body so you an...
yep, well it came from a doctor who is most likely much more intelligent that you and I combined about the human body so you an take it for what it is worth, please dont quote me in another post asking me to go in to further detail.
hvaughn88 wrote:
Do you not understand why it comes across as lame to throw that kind of accusation out there, but not at least elaborate on it? You're...
Do you not understand why it comes across as lame to throw that kind of accusation out there, but not at least elaborate on it? You're not giving the company the same respect you're asking me to give you. And keep in mind, I'm not arguing that it is/isn't accurate.
I get what you are saying but I thought I did elaborate enough because this is real life its not like I made this story up. As to the company in a market economy I dont think I owe leatt as a company any sort of explanation. They will make money regardless.
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40Plus_922mx 10/12/2015 2:03pm
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In those last few pics where his head was tucked under was post initial impact as he was kinda sliding up the face of that last whoop with whatever remaining momentum that wasn't scrubbed from him plowing into the face of the whoop before. .

Kinda reminded me of James Marshall's crash in SD 06. I saw his head tuck underneath him as he went face first into the corner flat area. Then as he lay there I thought he just might be out. But when an Asterisk guy laid down and started talking to him and carrying on conversation I knew then he was paralyzed. That made me sick.
chocolatethunder782 10/12/2015 3:08pm
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Didn't they interview Zach Bell after he chadapulted? I remember thinking that he didn't sound like he had a concussion.
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Torco1 10/12/2015 3:41pm
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If you scroll down really fast you can kinda watch it......
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DrSweden 10/12/2015 4:11pm
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mx965 wrote:
Yeah just like I just described to you.
hvaughn88 wrote:
That's a pretty bold statement.
mx965 wrote:
yep, well it came from a doctor who is most likely much more intelligent that you and I combined about the human body so you an...
yep, well it came from a doctor who is most likely much more intelligent that you and I combined about the human body so you an take it for what it is worth, please dont quote me in another post asking me to go in to further detail.
Sorry, but I doubt a doctor said that. Any doctor can speculate, but med school should have taught him to be doubtful, but if he actually said that, something tells me he doesn't know enough about the invention, and the physics involved, or he isn't that smart after all? Just the fact that the spine piece brakes way before the back does (way less newton strength).

We can newer be sure, and I too have my doubts as well, but I wear one, wouldn't dream about riding without it, since it's way better to get an T1 injury than C1.

The only issue I have with Leatt, that is starting to grow, is they promised data further on, like after a few years, they would have something to prove, that their invention reduce cases:

- Like how many neck injuries have we had after the the Neck brace entered the scene.
- How many where cervical, thoracic?
- Who used a neck brace?

Issue is, we will newer know about those not braking their necks wearing one, just like we will not know about those not braking their necks not wearing one.

Maybe no relevant, but I'm a doctor... Wink
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oilman400 10/12/2015 4:45pm
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Just curious as to how fast there actually going through those whoops? can someone give a realistic speed there going? it looked to be 40 + Dizzy
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Motodave15 10/12/2015 4:54pm
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Olson wrote:
Not sure if thread title means faint of heart for stupid comments or photos of RJs crash. Maybe both?
nope, i posted it because it was a idiom, as the photos could make some squeamish (who have been there before)

The stupid comments are on another level lol, they deserve there own title.
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Let's say that Dr. Dre was gonna try to break yo neck, damn near put your face in your lap, but you are more limber than Dre anticipates (he's not a chiropractor) Well, all of your vertebrae need to bend a certain amount to soak up the force. If all of your vertebrae work together as a team, let's say your neck doesn't break. However, if you're wearing a brace that LIMITS certain vertebrae, then the unprotected vertebrae have to bend more to reach Dre's goal (face in lap).

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StartedTooLate 10/12/2015 6:45pm
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chocolatethunder782 wrote:
Didn't they interview Zach Bell after he chadapulted? I remember thinking that he didn't sound like he had a concussion.
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In January 2012, the Asterisk Mobile Medical Center (AMMC) began using using neurocognitive testing software developed by ImPACT® (Immediate Post-Concussion Assessment and Cognitive Testing) as part of its new concussion management protocol. The AMMC has reviewed the current research on concussions and put in place a multi-faceted protocol that puts the athletes’ safety first while still taking into consideration the unique variables that are found within the sport of Supercross and Motocross.

Initial voluntary baseline testing for all riders during the Supercross season, was sponsored in part by a donation from Shoei Helmets. The 2012 Lucas Oil Pro Motocross Championship series will bring competitors an upgraded concussion management program. MX Sports Pro Racing has placed the requirement that every participant in the Outdoor Nationals must have a baseline test prior to their first competition.

The neurocognitive test chosen by the Asterisk Mobile Medical Center is the ImPACT ® developed by Mark Lovell, PhD and the concussion management team at the University of Pittsburgh. Extensive research and experience with this test has shown it to be the most predictable and validated neurocognitive test. The test is one part of the evaluation process. Although normal values for the test have been developed, the most accurate use is to have a baseline test of all athletes prior to competition.

The program will include physician testing at events, physician evaluation after a graded exercise program, and the mandatory use of computerized neurocognitive testing. Follow up physician evaluation including neurocognitive testing will be required before clearance to return to competition.

Feld Motorsports, AMA Pro Racing and MX Sports Pro Racing has placed the requirement that every participant in Supercross and Motocross Championships must have a baseline test prior to their first competition. Baseline tests are a 30 minute proctored computer based exam. There are no pass/fail scores; it is used to compare with a post injury test.

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PulpMX Show #121

http://pulpmxshow.com/show/104

Just after the 2:05 hour mark...

Doc Bodner was on, and discussed the concussion evaluation system used in SX and AMA Pro MX, as well as Zach's crash.

The facts are this. SX and AMA Pro MX have a very stringent system. It involves each rider doing a baseline nervous system test prior to competing. This forms a baseline against which they are evaluated when they have a potential concussion. There is a system, and if you dont pass after taking a knock to the head...you dont ride. There have been many many riders Doc B has sat when everyone was sure they were fine. It is all about the test. You CAN NOT OVER RULE IT positively. In other words, you can pass the test, and Doc can still stop you from continuing. But if you dont pass..you dont ride, no matter what Doc thinks.

Consider that Doc B has probably seen more concussions within moments of them happening than any person on the planet. Period. To say that a physician who has dedicated thousands of hours of his own time over the years to helping the SX/MX community would willingly put a rider in danger is an insult.

He specifically discussed the way that many riders just freeze after a hard hit and dont move. It happens every weekend according to Doc. Just because a rider is still for 10,20 seconds...does not mean he was knocked out. But when a rider was knocked out, they can't "fake" having not been knocked out. Someone like DrB, who has seen 800+ concussions first hand moments after they have crashed knows what to look for, and how a rider who has taken a real hit acts. Many times, he will get to a rider who is dead still...and say...he Zach...you OK. And when the rider says..."yeah...I just can't breath"...that is a good sign. When they look at you like you are an alien...THAT is when they probably took a hit. They do not even know it. They do not know where they are, etc. You can't fake it. Doc B and the Asterisk crew see both every weekend.
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wildbill 10/12/2015 7:02pm
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ridge wrote:
Let's say that Dr. Dre was gonna try to break yo neck, damn near put your face in your lap, but you are more limber than...
Let's say that Dr. Dre was gonna try to break yo neck, damn near put your face in your lap, but you are more limber than Dre anticipates (he's not a chiropractor) Well, all of your vertebrae need to bend a certain amount to soak up the force. If all of your vertebrae work together as a team, let's say your neck doesn't break. However, if you're wearing a brace that LIMITS certain vertebrae, then the unprotected vertebrae have to bend more to reach Dre's goal (face in lap).

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We've always had a fascination of putting our face in our lap. Wink
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jemcee 10/12/2015 7:55pm
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Everyone has an opinion on neck braces and I have my own but the more I think about the more I think it just comes down to just dumb luck

He and I had quite similar crashes (well we hit the ground the same) he got a brain bleed, I got a chair
Dirtysmile56 10/12/2015 9:26pm
10/12/2015 9:26pm
Listen guys, RJ's doctor has asked that some of the highest respected Vital Md's come on out to the appointment this week and offer their opinions on the injury and just to generally go over some of the scans and x rays. Doc feels that we all have much more experience dealing with these kinds of injuries than he does. He understands that our opinions carry much more weight than his considering the fact that he's usually busy in the OR or some ridiculous place like that and doesn't get the time to watch these crashes and really understand them the way we do. A couple of the things doc would like to know is how much worse this would have been had RJ been wearing a Leatt. He also wants to hear if the injury could have possibly been lessened if a Leatt had in fact been worn. There is so much speculation that needs to take place in the actual doctors office. So please, lets see a show of hands and get a team together and help this doc get RJ on the fast track to recovery.Or at least talk about how much quicker or longer it would have taken to heal had or had not a brace been worn.
Kongols, we're going need you to be head vital medical rep! Who wants to be Kongols assistant? We are going to need at least 6 more highly respected vital med techs to go on this mission. Also, anyone with an actual medical degree you are not allowed to go we need real life guys that watch and comment on these kinds of incidents all the time.
Thank you all for your help
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JeepnMike 10/12/2015 9:53pm
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jeffro503 wrote:
Man , you can't get off a bike much worse than that. Really happy to hear that he'll be alright. Don't know if it's a testament...
Man , you can't get off a bike much worse than that. Really happy to hear that he'll be alright. Don't know if it's a testament to the 6D helmet , or RJ just being one tough friggin' kid!
You know what is wrong with 6D helmets other than the price?

They're ugly. They remind me of the '90s Arai helmets with the removable jaw-bars. For the price, they should be freaking sexy.. Should have stole some style queues from Shoei.
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worcsracer808 10/12/2015 10:15pm
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jeffro503 wrote:
Man , you can't get off a bike much worse than that. Really happy to hear that he'll be alright. Don't know if it's a testament...
Man , you can't get off a bike much worse than that. Really happy to hear that he'll be alright. Don't know if it's a testament to the 6D helmet , or RJ just being one tough friggin' kid!
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You know what is wrong with 6D helmets other than the price? They're ugly. They remind me of the '90s Arai helmets with the removable jaw-bars...
You know what is wrong with 6D helmets other than the price?

They're ugly. They remind me of the '90s Arai helmets with the removable jaw-bars. For the price, they should be freaking sexy.. Should have stole some style queues from Shoei.


You're right I want to like them but they really remind me of an oversized looking one of these cheap No Fear Helmets from a few years back, wish they looked better.
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seth505 10/12/2015 11:19pm
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Dirtysmile56 wrote:
Listen guys, RJ's doctor has asked that some of the highest respected Vital Md's come on out to the appointment this week and offer their opinions...
Listen guys, RJ's doctor has asked that some of the highest respected Vital Md's come on out to the appointment this week and offer their opinions on the injury and just to generally go over some of the scans and x rays. Doc feels that we all have much more experience dealing with these kinds of injuries than he does. He understands that our opinions carry much more weight than his considering the fact that he's usually busy in the OR or some ridiculous place like that and doesn't get the time to watch these crashes and really understand them the way we do. A couple of the things doc would like to know is how much worse this would have been had RJ been wearing a Leatt. He also wants to hear if the injury could have possibly been lessened if a Leatt had in fact been worn. There is so much speculation that needs to take place in the actual doctors office. So please, lets see a show of hands and get a team together and help this doc get RJ on the fast track to recovery.Or at least talk about how much quicker or longer it would have taken to heal had or had not a brace been worn.
Kongols, we're going need you to be head vital medical rep! Who wants to be Kongols assistant? We are going to need at least 6 more highly respected vital med techs to go on this mission. Also, anyone with an actual medical degree you are not allowed to go we need real life guys that watch and comment on these kinds of incidents all the time.
Thank you all for your help
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DrSweden 10/13/2015 12:34pm
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No, same error. He/she doesn't know. Until the day Leatt have a good, or a bunch less well made studies to support their theory, we know shit.

I still think their whole approach makes sense, and they have done an amazing work before launcing their product. I doubt other companies selling safety gear we wear regularly have put equal amount of effort. But they get way more slack newer the less...
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potatoflake 10/13/2015 1:31pm
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731chopper wrote:
Didn't RJ say in his instagram update that he has/had some bleeding in the brain?

*edit* It was a tweet, not instagram post.
That's what caused my epilepsy hope he's extra careful with that
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hillbilly 10/13/2015 2:42pm
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So,what does this 6d helmet have in it different than the beer coolers i wore?

Helmets could have come so far in the 40 yrs I've been in the sport,look at how far bikes have come.

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