The name: SuperMotoCross........

Langston_fan 10/6/2022 4:55am
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Does this replace or add onto the SX and MX championships? i.e. do they only hand out 1 number 1 plate or 3?

Sorry if already answered in another thread...
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McG194 10/6/2022 5:26am
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McG194 wrote:
The first thing that came to my mind is if the FIM will take legal action. They may call it a World Championship but I really...
The first thing that came to my mind is if the FIM will take legal action. They may call it a World Championship but I really don't think they have the legal grounds to do it. The FIM supersedes all other sanctioning bodies as far as I know. The FIM could say that the AMA series calling a World Championship damages the FIM and sue for big money.

From the FIM website.

"The FIM is the governing body for motorcycle sport and the global advocate for Motorcycling.

FIM is the supreme and sole international authority empowered to control international motorcycling events organised under its jurisdiction throughout the world.

It is recognised by the IOC as the sole competent authority in motorcycle sport. "
smee113 wrote:
I feel like the "World Championship" thing is Feld and MX Sports giving the FIM the middle finger for creating a faux world championship in WSX...
I feel like the "World Championship" thing is Feld and MX Sports giving the FIM the middle finger for creating a faux world championship in WSX. Since both Supercross and the Nationals are under AMA jurisdiction, and the AMA is an affiliate of the FIM, they are overstepping their bounds. I could see the AMA suffering repercussions for allowing this (not legal, though), but I don't think they really care.
Oh, it's totally a middle finger for the WSX. This is going to be a huge pissing match.

The reality is that even though for most American fans (myself included) the FIM sucks, they do have the right to call their championship a World Championship while the AMA does not. Just because the best SX rider in the world right now is Eli Tomac it doesn't give the AMA and Feld the legal right to call him a world champ.
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It's embarrassing to even say it out loud. Makes you sound like an 8 year old. Let's go watch Super Motocross! Super duper!
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McG194 wrote:
The first thing that came to my mind is if the FIM will take legal action. They may call it a World Championship but I really...
The first thing that came to my mind is if the FIM will take legal action. They may call it a World Championship but I really don't think they have the legal grounds to do it. The FIM supersedes all other sanctioning bodies as far as I know. The FIM could say that the AMA series calling a World Championship damages the FIM and sue for big money.

From the FIM website.

"The FIM is the governing body for motorcycle sport and the global advocate for Motorcycling.

FIM is the supreme and sole international authority empowered to control international motorcycling events organised under its jurisdiction throughout the world.

It is recognised by the IOC as the sole competent authority in motorcycle sport. "
smee113 wrote:
I feel like the "World Championship" thing is Feld and MX Sports giving the FIM the middle finger for creating a faux world championship in WSX...
I feel like the "World Championship" thing is Feld and MX Sports giving the FIM the middle finger for creating a faux world championship in WSX. Since both Supercross and the Nationals are under AMA jurisdiction, and the AMA is an affiliate of the FIM, they are overstepping their bounds. I could see the AMA suffering repercussions for allowing this (not legal, though), but I don't think they really care.
McG194 wrote:
Oh, it's totally a middle finger for the WSX. This is going to be a huge pissing match. The reality is that even though for most...
Oh, it's totally a middle finger for the WSX. This is going to be a huge pissing match.

The reality is that even though for most American fans (myself included) the FIM sucks, they do have the right to call their championship a World Championship while the AMA does not. Just because the best SX rider in the world right now is Eli Tomac it doesn't give the AMA and Feld the legal right to call him a world champ.
FIM can sanction a world championship and not recognize the AMA sanctioning a world championship, and vice versa.

At the end of the day it's just words. Not sure where you're coming up with only the FIM has the "rights" to call it a world championship.
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GrapeApe 10/6/2022 6:05am
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McG194 wrote:
The first thing that came to my mind is if the FIM will take legal action. They may call it a World Championship but I really...
The first thing that came to my mind is if the FIM will take legal action. They may call it a World Championship but I really don't think they have the legal grounds to do it. The FIM supersedes all other sanctioning bodies as far as I know. The FIM could say that the AMA series calling a World Championship damages the FIM and sue for big money.

From the FIM website.

"The FIM is the governing body for motorcycle sport and the global advocate for Motorcycling.

FIM is the supreme and sole international authority empowered to control international motorcycling events organised under its jurisdiction throughout the world.

It is recognised by the IOC as the sole competent authority in motorcycle sport. "
smee113 wrote:
I feel like the "World Championship" thing is Feld and MX Sports giving the FIM the middle finger for creating a faux world championship in WSX...
I feel like the "World Championship" thing is Feld and MX Sports giving the FIM the middle finger for creating a faux world championship in WSX. Since both Supercross and the Nationals are under AMA jurisdiction, and the AMA is an affiliate of the FIM, they are overstepping their bounds. I could see the AMA suffering repercussions for allowing this (not legal, though), but I don't think they really care.
McG194 wrote:
Oh, it's totally a middle finger for the WSX. This is going to be a huge pissing match. The reality is that even though for most...
Oh, it's totally a middle finger for the WSX. This is going to be a huge pissing match.

The reality is that even though for most American fans (myself included) the FIM sucks, they do have the right to call their championship a World Championship while the AMA does not. Just because the best SX rider in the world right now is Eli Tomac it doesn't give the AMA and Feld the legal right to call him a world champ.
Where did FIM get the "right" to declare a world championship designation? Did a global group of representatives get together to create a single entity with ultimate control over world championships, or did the FIM just bestow upon itself ultimate control over world championships? If it's the latter (it is), couldn't any entity declare themselves the ultimate arbiter of world championship designations, for the right price of course?

True world championships can be easily recognized without the necessity of particular initials attached. Fact is, there is no world championship in motocross. The MXdN is the closest the sport comes to a world championship, but it is a team not individual championship.
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smee113 wrote:
I feel like the "World Championship" thing is Feld and MX Sports giving the FIM the middle finger for creating a faux world championship in WSX...
I feel like the "World Championship" thing is Feld and MX Sports giving the FIM the middle finger for creating a faux world championship in WSX. Since both Supercross and the Nationals are under AMA jurisdiction, and the AMA is an affiliate of the FIM, they are overstepping their bounds. I could see the AMA suffering repercussions for allowing this (not legal, though), but I don't think they really care.
McG194 wrote:
Oh, it's totally a middle finger for the WSX. This is going to be a huge pissing match. The reality is that even though for most...
Oh, it's totally a middle finger for the WSX. This is going to be a huge pissing match.

The reality is that even though for most American fans (myself included) the FIM sucks, they do have the right to call their championship a World Championship while the AMA does not. Just because the best SX rider in the world right now is Eli Tomac it doesn't give the AMA and Feld the legal right to call him a world champ.
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FIM can sanction a world championship and not recognize the AMA sanctioning a world championship, and vice versa. At the end of the day it's just...
FIM can sanction a world championship and not recognize the AMA sanctioning a world championship, and vice versa.

At the end of the day it's just words. Not sure where you're coming up with only the FIM has the "rights" to call it a world championship.
I'm just trying to think what angle they will come at it with. I totally agree with what you are saying but the FIM will come up with some kind of response.

As far as my thought of only the FIM having rights, it's because they are the acknowledged global sanctioning body. I may be wrong in my thinking, but I'll bet the FIM has lawyers looking it over right now.
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Can we call the finale the Superbowl of Motocross?

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I believe Superbowl is trademarked, that's why commercials leading up to it don't say Superbowl, they say "get your pizza for the big game at dominos"

Could have called it the Ultracross World Championship and given out the Micky Thompson Cup. Then have a side by side race on Sunday, who wouldn't want to see the carnage of sxs on a sx track?
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McG194 10/6/2022 7:22am
10/6/2022 7:22am Edited Date/Time 10/6/2022 7:23am
smee113 wrote:
I feel like the "World Championship" thing is Feld and MX Sports giving the FIM the middle finger for creating a faux world championship in WSX...
I feel like the "World Championship" thing is Feld and MX Sports giving the FIM the middle finger for creating a faux world championship in WSX. Since both Supercross and the Nationals are under AMA jurisdiction, and the AMA is an affiliate of the FIM, they are overstepping their bounds. I could see the AMA suffering repercussions for allowing this (not legal, though), but I don't think they really care.
McG194 wrote:
Oh, it's totally a middle finger for the WSX. This is going to be a huge pissing match. The reality is that even though for most...
Oh, it's totally a middle finger for the WSX. This is going to be a huge pissing match.

The reality is that even though for most American fans (myself included) the FIM sucks, they do have the right to call their championship a World Championship while the AMA does not. Just because the best SX rider in the world right now is Eli Tomac it doesn't give the AMA and Feld the legal right to call him a world champ.
GrapeApe wrote:
Where did FIM get the "right" to declare a world championship designation? Did a global group of representatives get together to create a single entity with...
Where did FIM get the "right" to declare a world championship designation? Did a global group of representatives get together to create a single entity with ultimate control over world championships, or did the FIM just bestow upon itself ultimate control over world championships? If it's the latter (it is), couldn't any entity declare themselves the ultimate arbiter of world championship designations, for the right price of course?

True world championships can be easily recognized without the necessity of particular initials attached. Fact is, there is no world championship in motocross. The MXdN is the closest the sport comes to a world championship, but it is a team not individual championship.
Keep in mind, I'm playing devil's advocate. I'm just trying to think of their response.

I would think that they would claim they have the "right" due to the fact they are the recognized global sanctioning body, and a precedent has been set that any legit series that calls itself a World Championship needs to be sanctioned by the FIM. Face it, Feld was paying them a boatload of money for a reason, and it wasn't just so the FIM could screw over our riders with BS drug tests.
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McG194 10/6/2022 7:27am
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early wrote:
I believe Superbowl is trademarked, that's why commercials leading up to it don't say Superbowl, they say "get your pizza for [i]the big game[/i] at dominos"...
I believe Superbowl is trademarked, that's why commercials leading up to it don't say Superbowl, they say "get your pizza for the big game at dominos"

Could have called it the Ultracross World Championship and given out the Micky Thompson Cup. Then have a side by side race on Sunday, who wouldn't want to see the carnage of sxs on a sx track?
Fun fact, the NFL has been trying to get "The Big Game" trademarked.
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McG194 wrote:
I'm just trying to think what angle they will come at it with. I totally agree with what you are saying but the FIM will come...
I'm just trying to think what angle they will come at it with. I totally agree with what you are saying but the FIM will come up with some kind of response.

As far as my thought of only the FIM having rights, it's because they are the acknowledged global sanctioning body. I may be wrong in my thinking, but I'll bet the FIM has lawyers looking it over right now.
You are wrong in your thinking.
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Crush 10/6/2022 8:01am
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The whole thing sounds like it was dreamt up by some greasy tv execs who have no idea about the sport.

Wait.
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McG194 10/6/2022 8:14am
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McG194 wrote:
I'm just trying to think what angle they will come at it with. I totally agree with what you are saying but the FIM will come...
I'm just trying to think what angle they will come at it with. I totally agree with what you are saying but the FIM will come up with some kind of response.

As far as my thought of only the FIM having rights, it's because they are the acknowledged global sanctioning body. I may be wrong in my thinking, but I'll bet the FIM has lawyers looking it over right now.
aeffertz wrote:
You are wrong in your thinking.
It wouldn't be the first time, but do you think these guys won't be throwing everything they can think of at each other?
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GrapeApe 10/6/2022 8:16am
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McG194 wrote:
Oh, it's totally a middle finger for the WSX. This is going to be a huge pissing match. The reality is that even though for most...
Oh, it's totally a middle finger for the WSX. This is going to be a huge pissing match.

The reality is that even though for most American fans (myself included) the FIM sucks, they do have the right to call their championship a World Championship while the AMA does not. Just because the best SX rider in the world right now is Eli Tomac it doesn't give the AMA and Feld the legal right to call him a world champ.
GrapeApe wrote:
Where did FIM get the "right" to declare a world championship designation? Did a global group of representatives get together to create a single entity with...
Where did FIM get the "right" to declare a world championship designation? Did a global group of representatives get together to create a single entity with ultimate control over world championships, or did the FIM just bestow upon itself ultimate control over world championships? If it's the latter (it is), couldn't any entity declare themselves the ultimate arbiter of world championship designations, for the right price of course?

True world championships can be easily recognized without the necessity of particular initials attached. Fact is, there is no world championship in motocross. The MXdN is the closest the sport comes to a world championship, but it is a team not individual championship.
McG194 wrote:
Keep in mind, I'm playing devil's advocate. I'm just trying to think of their response. I would think that they would claim they have the "right"...
Keep in mind, I'm playing devil's advocate. I'm just trying to think of their response.

I would think that they would claim they have the "right" due to the fact they are the recognized global sanctioning body, and a precedent has been set that any legit series that calls itself a World Championship needs to be sanctioned by the FIM. Face it, Feld was paying them a boatload of money for a reason, and it wasn't just so the FIM could screw over our riders with BS drug tests.
You are correct in that people will recognize and put a value on an FIM sanctioned world championship, just because that's how it has been for decades. But when you really get down to it and study their authority, I don't think they have an enforceable exclusive right to determine world championships. Infront can stop paying the extortion fee to the FIM just like Feld did and continue to refer to MXGP as a world championship. The FIM would then have the right to go sell their sanction to another willing buyer like the Australian or Canadian nationals, but at that point this "world championship" thing is starting to look a little silly. That's why dressing the WSX up as a world championship was received as a punch line. I think WSX could do exactly what they are doing now with the same payouts, team structures and format, but without the FIM sanction, and the result would be exactly the same.

And just to address the actual subject of the thread, Supermotocross is a terrible name! I would have gone with "Grand National Championship, an AMA World Championship".
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Yeah, the name is lame...........I do get a good chuckle out of how they make it seem like they have invented a whole new sport. I worry that this will take its toll on MX of Nations though. I do see us moving towards two separate sports here as in MX and SX really. I do find it odd that now they have found some extra money for the riders after all these years!
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The term 'Supercross' was inspired by two guys that simply brought 'Motocross' indoors. One was killed, and the other is in jail. Why don't we move on to a different name for this?
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Its just as stupid as the concept itself and it being a World Championship, but its how americans like, being on top do the World, their own world !!!!! ......It Will be funny to see Tomac, on a sx only contract, be the supermotocross world champion, racing just sx and only in usa......that will be wonderfull for the promotion of outdoors motocross, but hey americans on top of their world......
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McG194 wrote:
Fun fact, the NFL has been trying to get "The Big Game" trademarked.
***k the NFL.

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Fun fact, the NFL has been trying to get "The Big Game" trademarked.
Magoofan wrote:
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How about "Camel Supercross".....Oh wait, that was back when people weren't so sensitive
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rileymx wrote:
Its just as stupid as the concept itself and it being a World Championship, but its how americans like, being on top do the World, their...
Its just as stupid as the concept itself and it being a World Championship, but its how americans like, being on top do the World, their own world !!!!! ......It Will be funny to see Tomac, on a sx only contract, be the supermotocross world champion, racing just sx and only in usa......that will be wonderfull for the promotion of outdoors motocross, but hey americans on top of their world......
My first reply was too condescending to other Euro bros so I'll just leave this picture of Eli Tomac on top of the whole world



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rileymx wrote:
Its just as stupid as the concept itself and it being a World Championship, but its how americans like, being on top do the World, their...
Its just as stupid as the concept itself and it being a World Championship, but its how americans like, being on top do the World, their own world !!!!! ......It Will be funny to see Tomac, on a sx only contract, be the supermotocross world champion, racing just sx and only in usa......that will be wonderfull for the promotion of outdoors motocross, but hey americans on top of their world......
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My first reply was too condescending to other Euro bros so I'll just leave this picture of Eli Tomac on top of the whole world [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/10/06/572179/s1200_Screenshot_20221006_115419.jpg[/img]
My first reply was too condescending to other Euro bros so I'll just leave this picture of Eli Tomac on top of the whole world



Sorry but you got it wrong.......there i see team usa on top of the World, and deserved it cuz they were the strongest team......as for Tomac himself, and Sexton, what i see os that they got beat at home by two rookies of their classes, Justin Cooper was the only American i Saw on top of the World by itself.....
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rileymx wrote:
Its just as stupid as the concept itself and it being a World Championship, but its how americans like, being on top do the World, their...
Its just as stupid as the concept itself and it being a World Championship, but its how americans like, being on top do the World, their own world !!!!! ......It Will be funny to see Tomac, on a sx only contract, be the supermotocross world champion, racing just sx and only in usa......that will be wonderfull for the promotion of outdoors motocross, but hey americans on top of their world......
kage173 wrote:
My first reply was too condescending to other Euro bros so I'll just leave this picture of Eli Tomac on top of the whole world [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/10/06/572179/s1200_Screenshot_20221006_115419.jpg[/img]
My first reply was too condescending to other Euro bros so I'll just leave this picture of Eli Tomac on top of the whole world



Easily the best response to that troll 👏
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IDC as long as they call the machines they ride in the series "excitabikes"
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