Vital MX Poll: Should Chad Reed Receive a Penalty?

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TbonesPop wrote:
That was a text book violation of the rules when it comes to what not to do when getting the blue flag (i.e. being lapped). I...
That was a text book violation of the rules when it comes to what not to do when getting the blue flag (i.e. being lapped). I witnessed in person Reed crossing up his lines to always stay in the main race line and hold Dungey up in the race, not "holding his line" and "letting the faster rider overtake him". It was also obvious by the hand gesture from Reed to Dungey and vice versa after the race was over. It was as obvious as day what he was doing. Anyone with a half of an unbiased brain could figure it out. Reed should have been punished for the act during the race but he wasn't. It is what it is. Now that it's over, you can't punish him after the fact. They blew it.

The brutal reality is, the AMA just set a really bad precedent. How, after that ridiculous display of rules violation by Reed, can they ever enforce any rules with respect to the blue flags and not come off as inconsistent or unbiased? They either have to admit that "they blew it" and say they should have done something and didn't, or they just set a precedent that is very dangerous for future races.

Say Anderson goes down and is back in the pack of a race (he's a training partner with Dungey and they are friends - yet not a team mate). If getting lapped, he could totally run interference and slow down Tomac to help Dungey and it would be totally legit based on letting Reed do what he did. I'm not saying it would be right, but the AMA doing nothing opened this can of worms. Should be interesting to see what comes of it. If they simply deny any wrong doing by Reed, this championship race could get really interesting.
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^^^^^^^ I've read most of the posts on this whole fracas, and this one is the most on-point. I'm old enough to remember the Popenko, Kavinov...
^^^^^^^ I've read most of the posts on this whole fracas, and this one is the most on-point. I'm old enough to remember the Popenko, Kavinov, Moiseev Communist craziness and what they did to Jaroslav Falta, and I'm also old enough to remember the whole "Let Brock Bye" nuttiness that happened a few years later. Feckless governing bodies notwithstanding, Reed's antics last night were the biggest, most colossal f-up I've seen since those long-ago days. It WILL linger in people's memories, of this I have no doubt, and if Tomac wins this championship by less than six points? UH OH - asterisk city, What Reed did was just....... plain....... dumb. And so are the people defending him.
Dungey had a 27 point lead with team help. No need for an asterisk it's more than a one race battle.
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Don't get me wrong I'm a huge fan of Reed and every other rider out there. Any givin Saturday night these guys are all the best in the world. Lappers or not these guys are fast as hell and not easy to pass. But let's be honest.....Chad Reed has put himself in the category of bulshit ridding as Freise Allesi and Chisholm! Congrats dude!! You rock also!!!
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Don't fool yourselves. Chad Reed will never get a penalty.
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dsmith wrote:
so we should know about a penalty before 5 pm today?...eastern/central time?...and if no penalty is givin by 5pm..then there will be no penalty for reed?..do...
so we should know about a penalty before 5 pm today?...eastern/central time?...and if no penalty is givin by 5pm..then there will be no penalty for reed?..do I have this straight?
According to the book, 5pm est.

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miketherider 4/3/2017 10:15am
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I doubt Vince would go from running 54-55 second laps before Dungey to running low 52's when he came up behind. Thats what Reed did.
Dungey was running mid 50s and low 51s. Chad was running 55s, then got as fast as a 53.149...his fastest of a 52.922 was lap 7.

Chad may have "picked up the pace" a bit, but never ran any low 52s. Slowed Dungey down by an average of 2.5 seconds for 3-4 laps.

http://results.amasupercross.com/xml/SX/events/S1765/S1F1RID.pdf
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Dungey should have booted Reed but thats not the way he rides I Know. So now it's everyone else's fault because Dungey don't ride like that.
Think Bob Hannah would have put up with Reed's shit for 3 laps or his Boss DeCoster for that matter?
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miketherider wrote:
Dungey was running mid 50s and low 51s. Chad was running 55s, then got as fast as a 53.149...his fastest of a 52.922 was lap 7...
Dungey was running mid 50s and low 51s. Chad was running 55s, then got as fast as a 53.149...his fastest of a 52.922 was lap 7.

Chad may have "picked up the pace" a bit, but never ran any low 52s. Slowed Dungey down by an average of 2.5 seconds for 3-4 laps.

http://results.amasupercross.com/xml/SX/events/S1765/S1F1RID.pdf
That's part of it. Reed wasn't blocking or riding erratic, he was just running the best lines. Dungey really can't get past a guy going 2.5 seconds slower than him? Yes, Reed was being a douche but it wasn't Earth shattering like everyone makes it out to be and Dungey's passiveness contributed.
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macdaddy31 4/3/2017 11:51am
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Actually, Reed probably cost himself big time. If he had value after his racing career as a commentator or selling product, I imagine it has diminished significantly.
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Reed is approaching WWF levels with that little stunt. "Oh he said something i didn't like so i'm gonna take matters into my own hands". Total BS move. What's next, will he go full WWF and hit Dungey with a chair while the AMA is not looking? If the penalty is just a black flag for the race, could KTM tell Musquin to ride slow at the next race and wait for Tomac to lap him and pull a stunt like Reed did? I was at the race, and watching the Blue Flags wave for 3 laps ruined what had the makings of a good race, and had me just shaking my head at Reed. It looked pretty pathetic from my viewpoint.
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dsmith wrote:
so we should know about a penalty before 5 pm today?...eastern/central time?...and if no penalty is givin by 5pm..then there will be no penalty for reed?..do...
so we should know about a penalty before 5 pm today?...eastern/central time?...and if no penalty is givin by 5pm..then there will be no penalty for reed?..do I have this straight?
dkg wrote:
According to the book, 5pm est.
That has gone now right.....
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macdaddy31 wrote:
Actually, Reed probably cost himself big time. If he had value after his racing career as a commentator or selling product, I imagine it has diminished...
Actually, Reed probably cost himself big time. If he had value after his racing career as a commentator or selling product, I imagine it has diminished significantly.
I'm not too sure about that, wouldn't bet the farm on it.
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I voted yes but Tbh I think it had to be done during the race (just a black flag). A race penalty sounds ok considering it was in a championship battle, but not more.

From this point blue flags must be applied, this one was similar to JS7 last year where he hold Musquin for a lap which costed his first win. No more than 3 corners max should be the rule and flags should be really seen.
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macdaddy31 wrote:
Actually, Reed probably cost himself big time. If he had value after his racing career as a commentator or selling product, I imagine it has diminished...
Actually, Reed probably cost himself big time. If he had value after his racing career as a commentator or selling product, I imagine it has diminished significantly.
You think his whole career is going to be remembered by this incident ? If I were the guy hiring an announcer I'd hire Reed in a hot second over Dungey. Would you rather have brutal honesty and no filters or pc and family friendly ?
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I voted NO, disciplinary actions after the fact in this case does sweet F A, he didn't slam anyone or intentionally try to injure.

Why didn't they just black flag him? Get him off the track, then suspend.

Why wait for more drama to unfold after the races? Make the call, 16th is not going to give a crap about the black flag.

Get some balls AMA/FIM, it was very obvious to everyone watching what was going on. Holding up the faster rider on purpose ignoring blue flags for 4 laps should be a black flag after one lap. Why treat the rule book like a guideline open to a popularity/toe dipping test after the fact?
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yorkts 4/3/2017 4:01pm
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Sadly so many have made this about personalities; it is about the rules, and lawsuits suits may follow these violations?

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miketherider wrote:
Dungey was running mid 50s and low 51s. Chad was running 55s, then got as fast as a 53.149...his fastest of a 52.922 was lap 7...
Dungey was running mid 50s and low 51s. Chad was running 55s, then got as fast as a 53.149...his fastest of a 52.922 was lap 7.

Chad may have "picked up the pace" a bit, but never ran any low 52s. Slowed Dungey down by an average of 2.5 seconds for 3-4 laps.

http://results.amasupercross.com/xml/SX/events/S1765/S1F1RID.pdf
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That's part of it. Reed wasn't blocking or riding erratic, he was just running the best lines. Dungey really can't get past a guy going 2.5...
That's part of it. Reed wasn't blocking or riding erratic, he was just running the best lines. Dungey really can't get past a guy going 2.5 seconds slower than him? Yes, Reed was being a douche but it wasn't Earth shattering like everyone makes it out to be and Dungey's passiveness contributed.
I agree Dungey should have made it happen way sooner. Reed was being a dick but Dung should have just stuffed him. The rules say to get out of way and do not impede the faster riders don't they? Black Flag time in my book. If they aren't going to follow or enforce the rule then you are justified taking matters into your own hands. They (Reed and AMA) asked for it.

Didn't Reed and Dungey lock bars at the start of Detroit that ended with Reed going down?
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macdaddy31 wrote:
Actually, Reed probably cost himself big time. If he had value after his racing career as a commentator or selling product, I imagine it has diminished...
Actually, Reed probably cost himself big time. If he had value after his racing career as a commentator or selling product, I imagine it has diminished significantly.
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You think his whole career is going to be remembered by this incident ? If I were the guy hiring an announcer I'd hire Reed in...
You think his whole career is going to be remembered by this incident ? If I were the guy hiring an announcer I'd hire Reed in a hot second over Dungey. Would you rather have brutal honesty and no filters or pc and family friendly ?
No, but it will be remembered. And it adds to the pile. At some point, there is too much and may be he reached it the other day. BTW, your straw man of Reed v. Dungey as commentator is just that. Who said anything about a comparison between those two.
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Dungey needed an excuse to KTM for choking and not being able to keep up with Tomac and Reed was just that reason. Now he can claim Reed was in his way, when we can all watch the race and see Dungey was not even trying to get around Reed.

This is nothing new for Dungey, he has done this numerous times in the past. He did it when Jason Lawrence beat him. Decoster has even said Dungey needs to "take more responsibility instead of blaming others"

Nothing to see, I was at the race, don't care what timing and scoring says...............DUNGEY was not going to catch TOMAC, no way. In fact, Dungey should have finished 3rd at best. Musquin was a lot faster than Dungey and now you can tell that team orders are in full effect. Musquin was playing blocker cause Dungey was riding like crap and he was there to make sure Dungey at least got 2nd.
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macdaddy31 4/3/2017 4:24pm
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Yea, I wouldn't bet on it either, but it is possible. I used to watch a little Tennis, but always turned it off when McEnroe was on (that guy was truly a dick). I certainly would not watch Football if Kapernick was giving his analysis. No comparison to what Reed did, but you get the picture.
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macdaddy31 wrote:
Actually, Reed probably cost himself big time. If he had value after his racing career as a commentator or selling product, I imagine it has diminished...
Actually, Reed probably cost himself big time. If he had value after his racing career as a commentator or selling product, I imagine it has diminished significantly.
Sully22 wrote:
I'm not too sure about that, wouldn't bet the farm on it.
I was at the race, Dungey lost more fans than Reed did for sure. First, Reed got a much bigger ovation during rider intro and then after Dungey complained about Reed straight up racing him (cause Reed was faster in the heat race) people kind of frowned on that.

Heard a lot of "Dungey got what he deserved" But hey, that was just around my section. Who knows what the rest of the stadium said.
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macdaddy31 wrote:
Actually, Reed probably cost himself big time. If he had value after his racing career as a commentator or selling product, I imagine it has diminished...
Actually, Reed probably cost himself big time. If he had value after his racing career as a commentator or selling product, I imagine it has diminished significantly.
Sully22 wrote:
I'm not too sure about that, wouldn't bet the farm on it.
Yea, I wouldn't bet on it either, but it is possible. I used to watch a little Tennis, but always turned it off when McEnroe was on (that guy was truly a dick). I certainly would not watch Football if Kapernick was giving his analysis. No comparison to what Reed did, but you get the picture.
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macdaddy31 wrote:
Actually, Reed probably cost himself big time. If he had value after his racing career as a commentator or selling product, I imagine it has diminished...
Actually, Reed probably cost himself big time. If he had value after his racing career as a commentator or selling product, I imagine it has diminished significantly.
Sully22 wrote:
I'm not too sure about that, wouldn't bet the farm on it.
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I was at the race, Dungey lost more fans than Reed did for sure. First, Reed got a much bigger ovation during rider intro and then...
I was at the race, Dungey lost more fans than Reed did for sure. First, Reed got a much bigger ovation during rider intro and then after Dungey complained about Reed straight up racing him (cause Reed was faster in the heat race) people kind of frowned on that.

Heard a lot of "Dungey got what he deserved" But hey, that was just around my section. Who knows what the rest of the stadium said.
I read from another who was at the race that Reed was getting jeered (not cheered) as he ducked into the tunnel. I imagine it went both ways.
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jhorner211 wrote:
Missed what dungey said. Can anyone bring me up to speed?
TbonesPop wrote:
I'm paraphrasing, but he said something like "I'm not sure what Reed was doing out there, but he was trying to take us out and cross...
I'm paraphrasing, but he said something like "I'm not sure what Reed was doing out there, but he was trying to take us out and cross over lines. It was really immature". It was a weird statement from him. I saw nothing in the heat race to justify those comments. Now, the main was totally F'd. But the heat, Reed did nothing wrong. I have no idea what Dungey was complaining about.
Reed moved over on Dungey in the whoops. That is a big no.
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If the reasoning for Chads move was because of Dungey's comment and the AMA did not feel the need to penalize him for whatever reason during the race. Assuming no penalty will be given out to Reed, then the AMA just opened a huge can of worms and has given riders reason to take matters into there own hands.

There is ZERO reason now for ANY lapper to move over for the blue flag.

You are essentially now asking riders to doll out there own punishments/penalties to each other.

I fully believe that if Reed pulled this move on Anderson, Barcia, Tomac, Musquin, etc. essentially anyone other than Dungey then he would have been picking his bike up from the dirt.

The AMA should not question in the coming weeks and months when I rider does something deemed a "violation" of the rules and said rider gets parked. They have only themselves to blame for being inconsistent or playing politics.
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nealb129 wrote:
If the reasoning for Chads move was because of Dungey's comment and the AMA did not feel the need to penalize him for whatever reason during...
If the reasoning for Chads move was because of Dungey's comment and the AMA did not feel the need to penalize him for whatever reason during the race. Assuming no penalty will be given out to Reed, then the AMA just opened a huge can of worms and has given riders reason to take matters into there own hands.

There is ZERO reason now for ANY lapper to move over for the blue flag.

You are essentially now asking riders to doll out there own punishments/penalties to each other.

I fully believe that if Reed pulled this move on Anderson, Barcia, Tomac, Musquin, etc. essentially anyone other than Dungey then he would have been picking his bike up from the dirt.

The AMA should not question in the coming weeks and months when I rider does something deemed a "violation" of the rules and said rider gets parked. They have only themselves to blame for being inconsistent or playing politics.
and now please disregard everything I wrote.
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davistld01 wrote:
Don't fool yourselves. Chad Reed will never get a penalty.
Lol
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I say leave it alone and let the riders sort things for themselves

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