Can Eli hang with Jett in '25?

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BS12 wrote:

Looks sped up.

nrosso391 wrote:

Its definitely NOT sped up. He's just that fast. He was fastest on the track Saturday. All day. Would've easily won the main..

Eli was blazing fast at A1, passed the most bikes and gapped Jett. He’s in top form in mind and body. Chase looks hard to beat this year though that KTM looked good. Webb and Kenny are in the mix without a doubt. It’s a long way to Vegas……

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1/13/2025 11:35pm Edited Date/Time 1/13/2025 11:37pm

Looks sped up.

nrosso391 wrote:

Its definitely NOT sped up. He's just that fast. He was fastest on the track Saturday. All day. Would've easily won the main..

oldnescVet wrote:
Eli was blazing fast at A1, passed the most bikes and gapped Jett. He’s in top form in mind and body. Chase looks hard to beat...

Eli was blazing fast at A1, passed the most bikes and gapped Jett. He’s in top form in mind and body. Chase looks hard to beat this year though that KTM looked good. Webb and Kenny are in the mix without a doubt. It’s a long way to Vegas……

Okay after all that let’s get some facts in here…. 
Did Eli look fast? Awesomely fast. 
Can Eli hang with Jett? Hell yes. 
Was Eli the fastest all day? No, was top qualifier, but had nowhere near the fastest time in the heats and had the third fastest lap time in the main. 
Did he make the most passes? Eli and Jett tied, both made 17 passes. 
Would Eli have easily won the main? We’ll never know because he crashed.

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CPR wrote:
Okay after all that let’s get some facts in here…. Did Eli look fast? Awesomely fast. Can Eli hang with Jett? Hell yes. Was Eli the fastest all day...

Okay after all that let’s get some facts in here…. 
Did Eli look fast? Awesomely fast. 
Can Eli hang with Jett? Hell yes. 
Was Eli the fastest all day? No, was top qualifier, but had nowhere near the fastest time in the heats and had the third fastest lap time in the main. 
Did he make the most passes? Eli and Jett tied, both made 17 passes. 
Would Eli have easily won the main? We’ll never know because he crashed.

Absolutely right,....Neither main event races or season championships are decided on could have or would have. It's decided on did or didn't.

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Isn't this the first time since Jett came into the 450's that Eli is actually not hurt?  

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This current situation looks to be the perfect storm for giving Jett a run for his money. Eli seems to be in an amazing mind space right now and my guess is that it's because he's healthy, fit and knows he's not going to do this much longer. Jett just seems off a little bit and his grousing about being hated could either be just that or frustration with his new motorcycle manifesting itself. The door is open for Eli imho.

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When the top 10 or so run pretty much same lap times, I would be practicing start after start, And i wonder do the metal grates...

When the top 10 or so run pretty much same lap times, I would be practicing start after start, And i wonder do the metal grates get replaced? or do they use them over and over and get dull? I would be looking for the newest sharp edged one if so....

What world are you saying top 10 are same lap times? 

On a short track where Chase's (1) best was a 1:04.5 and Malcolm (10th) was a 1:06.7, 2 seconds.

I'm sorry but in supercross that is not "same lap times".

Even a high 1:04 vs. a low 1:06 by the end of the race amounts to over a 20 second lead.

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1/14/2025 8:08am Edited Date/Time 1/14/2025 8:29am
When the top 10 or so run pretty much same lap times, I would be practicing start after start, And i wonder do the metal grates...

When the top 10 or so run pretty much same lap times, I would be practicing start after start, And i wonder do the metal grates get replaced? or do they use them over and over and get dull? I would be looking for the newest sharp edged one if so....

What world are you saying top 10 are same lap times? On a short track where Chase's (1) best was a 1:04.5 and Malcolm (10th) was a...

What world are you saying top 10 are same lap times? 

On a short track where Chase's (1) best was a 1:04.5 and Malcolm (10th) was a 1:06.7, 2 seconds.

I'm sorry but in supercross that is not "same lap times".

Even a high 1:04 vs. a low 1:06 by the end of the race amounts to over a 20 second lead.

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You know that is a single lap right?

 

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Tomac got faster in the second half of the Main. Gained 5.7 seconds on Sexton in the last 5 laps. Tomac was charging all the way to the checkered flag! Good to see. Too bad about the tip over. Was awesome hearing the stadium roar when he got the lead! Glad I got to be there.

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nrosso391 wrote:

Its definitely NOT sped up. He's just that fast. He was fastest on the track Saturday. All day. Would've easily won the main..

oldnescVet wrote:
Eli was blazing fast at A1, passed the most bikes and gapped Jett. He’s in top form in mind and body. Chase looks hard to beat...

Eli was blazing fast at A1, passed the most bikes and gapped Jett. He’s in top form in mind and body. Chase looks hard to beat this year though that KTM looked good. Webb and Kenny are in the mix without a doubt. It’s a long way to Vegas……

CPR wrote:
Okay after all that let’s get some facts in here…. Did Eli look fast? Awesomely fast. Can Eli hang with Jett? Hell yes. Was Eli the fastest all day...

Okay after all that let’s get some facts in here…. 
Did Eli look fast? Awesomely fast. 
Can Eli hang with Jett? Hell yes. 
Was Eli the fastest all day? No, was top qualifier, but had nowhere near the fastest time in the heats and had the third fastest lap time in the main. 
Did he make the most passes? Eli and Jett tied, both made 17 passes. 
Would Eli have easily won the main? We’ll never know because he crashed.

How do you figure they both made 17 passes? When tomac got 5th and jett got 12th

Your math isn't mathing.

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"Can Eli hang with Jett in '25"

Eli after A1

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oldnescVet wrote:
Eli was blazing fast at A1, passed the most bikes and gapped Jett. He’s in top form in mind and body. Chase looks hard to beat...

Eli was blazing fast at A1, passed the most bikes and gapped Jett. He’s in top form in mind and body. Chase looks hard to beat this year though that KTM looked good. Webb and Kenny are in the mix without a doubt. It’s a long way to Vegas……

CPR wrote:
Okay after all that let’s get some facts in here…. Did Eli look fast? Awesomely fast. Can Eli hang with Jett? Hell yes. Was Eli the fastest all day...

Okay after all that let’s get some facts in here…. 
Did Eli look fast? Awesomely fast. 
Can Eli hang with Jett? Hell yes. 
Was Eli the fastest all day? No, was top qualifier, but had nowhere near the fastest time in the heats and had the third fastest lap time in the main. 
Did he make the most passes? Eli and Jett tied, both made 17 passes. 
Would Eli have easily won the main? We’ll never know because he crashed.

Mxracer06y wrote:

How do you figure they both made 17 passes? When tomac got 5th and jett got 12th

Your math isn't mathing.

Jet crashed twice and had to repass a lot of guys in the back twice. Eli had to pass top ten guys.

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oldnescVet wrote:
Eli was blazing fast at A1, passed the most bikes and gapped Jett. He’s in top form in mind and body. Chase looks hard to beat...

Eli was blazing fast at A1, passed the most bikes and gapped Jett. He’s in top form in mind and body. Chase looks hard to beat this year though that KTM looked good. Webb and Kenny are in the mix without a doubt. It’s a long way to Vegas……

CPR wrote:
Okay after all that let’s get some facts in here…. Did Eli look fast? Awesomely fast. Can Eli hang with Jett? Hell yes. Was Eli the fastest all day...

Okay after all that let’s get some facts in here…. 
Did Eli look fast? Awesomely fast. 
Can Eli hang with Jett? Hell yes. 
Was Eli the fastest all day? No, was top qualifier, but had nowhere near the fastest time in the heats and had the third fastest lap time in the main. 
Did he make the most passes? Eli and Jett tied, both made 17 passes. 
Would Eli have easily won the main? We’ll never know because he crashed.

Mxracer06y wrote:

How do you figure they both made 17 passes? When tomac got 5th and jett got 12th

Your math isn't mathing.

It might be a bit facetious, but even though Eli’s performance was more impressive, as far as facts go, they did make the same number of passes.

Eli- 22th to 5th = 17. 
Jett- 22nd to 15th, crash 22nd to 12th, 7+10= 17.

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Looks sped up.

nrosso391 wrote:

Its definitely NOT sped up. He's just that fast. He was fastest on the track Saturday. All day. Would've easily won the main..

oldnescVet wrote:
Eli was blazing fast at A1, passed the most bikes and gapped Jett. He’s in top form in mind and body. Chase looks hard to beat...

Eli was blazing fast at A1, passed the most bikes and gapped Jett. He’s in top form in mind and body. Chase looks hard to beat this year though that KTM looked good. Webb and Kenny are in the mix without a doubt. It’s a long way to Vegas……

IIRC in most years if Eli didn't get the start at A1 he sort of languished in the pack. This year was incredible, not sure if 2023 was the other year where he advanced quickly. 

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Generally speaking, passing up to 12th place is way easier than passing the same number of riders to 5th place. 

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1/15/2025 8:23am Edited Date/Time 1/15/2025 8:24am

The riders from 11th-5th are a lot faster than the riders in 22nd-12th...

Also Jett had to pass 22nd-12th later in the race, which those guys are slower and more tired than the guys ET had to pass once in the top 10.

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nrosso391 wrote:
The riders from 11th-5th are a lot faster than the riders in 22nd-12th...Also Jett had to pass 22nd-12th later in the race, which those guys are...

The riders from 11th-5th are a lot faster than the riders in 22nd-12th...

Also Jett had to pass 22nd-12th later in the race, which those guys are slower and more tired than the guys ET had to pass once in the top 10.

 

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When the top 10 or so run pretty much same lap times, I would be practicing start after start, And i wonder do the metal grates...

When the top 10 or so run pretty much same lap times, I would be practicing start after start, And i wonder do the metal grates get replaced? or do they use them over and over and get dull? I would be looking for the newest sharp edged one if so....

What world are you saying top 10 are same lap times? On a short track where Chase's (1) best was a 1:04.5 and Malcolm (10th) was a...

What world are you saying top 10 are same lap times? 

On a short track where Chase's (1) best was a 1:04.5 and Malcolm (10th) was a 1:06.7, 2 seconds.

I'm sorry but in supercross that is not "same lap times".

Even a high 1:04 vs. a low 1:06 by the end of the race amounts to over a 20 second lead.

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You know that is a single lap right? 

You know that is a single lap right?

 

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Yes I do; literally my sentence said "best lap".

 And the average of #1, #5, #10, and #15 will show the same relative to top/best lap time.

Average can be skewed with leaders dealing with lappers and a lot of factors (flagged laps and some people had flag and some did not for example).

The point is saying all the top 10 are same lap times was not a good depiction of the elite vs. the top guys.

Even Tomac said in Gypsy interview, returning from injury he thought he was 100% but even that last 1-3% was the difference to not be able to win. 

The law of diminishing returns somewhat applies (similar to elite track and field athletes) is they may all be "similar" speed, but getting that last edge or little bit faster is actually a ton of work. You may work weeks or months on technique and/or bike setup and make "huge" progress to gain .25 seconds/lap.

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Crazy that Jett wasn't the fastest in any section. I thought he was the best at everything? LOL

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MOTO13 wrote:

Isn't this the first time since Jett came into the 450's that Eli is actually not hurt?  

Yes actually, the healthiest he’s been was at SMX this year

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Crazy that Jett wasn't the fastest in any section. I thought he was the best at everything? LOL

Crazy that Jett wasn't the fastest in any section. I thought he was the best at everything? LOL

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Crazy that Anderson logged a fastest segment with lack of a front wheel, dude is a carnivorous animal

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nrosso391 wrote:
The riders from 11th-5th are a lot faster than the riders in 22nd-12th...Also Jett had to pass 22nd-12th later in the race, which those guys are...

The riders from 11th-5th are a lot faster than the riders in 22nd-12th...

Also Jett had to pass 22nd-12th later in the race, which those guys are slower and more tired than the guys ET had to pass once in the top 10.

Why are you guys so stuck on this? No one is saying their performances are equal. Tomac was way more impressive than Jett was, but as far as facts go, they both passed the same number of riders. That is all. 
Funny how people get all offended and defensive on here when it involves their favourite or hated rider. It’s like being in a kindergarten playground sometimes.

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nrosso391 wrote:
Tomac got faster in the second half of the Main. Gained 5.7 seconds on Sexton in the last 5 laps. Tomac was charging all the way...

Tomac got faster in the second half of the Main. Gained 5.7 seconds on Sexton in the last 5 laps. Tomac was charging all the way to the checkered flag! Good to see. Too bad about the tip over. Was awesome hearing the stadium roar when he got the lead! Glad I got to be there.

Eli had to push as hard as possible to make up points.  Chase was managing a lead and had no reason to go faster.  If you don’t understand the difference between the lap times…and equate it to Eli just being faster…well….  

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nrosso391 wrote:
Tomac got faster in the second half of the Main. Gained 5.7 seconds on Sexton in the last 5 laps. Tomac was charging all the way...

Tomac got faster in the second half of the Main. Gained 5.7 seconds on Sexton in the last 5 laps. Tomac was charging all the way to the checkered flag! Good to see. Too bad about the tip over. Was awesome hearing the stadium roar when he got the lead! Glad I got to be there.

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Eli had to push as hard as possible to make up points.  Chase was managing a lead and had no reason to go faster.  If you...

Eli had to push as hard as possible to make up points.  Chase was managing a lead and had no reason to go faster.  If you don’t understand the difference between the lap times…and equate it to Eli just being faster…well….  

Was Eli Faster? Yes, he was going faster. End of discussion.

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Yes I do; literally my sentence said "best lap". And the average of #1, #5, #10, and #15 will show the same relative to top/best lap time.Average...

Yes I do; literally my sentence said "best lap".

 And the average of #1, #5, #10, and #15 will show the same relative to top/best lap time.

Average can be skewed with leaders dealing with lappers and a lot of factors (flagged laps and some people had flag and some did not for example).

The point is saying all the top 10 are same lap times was not a good depiction of the elite vs. the top guys.

Even Tomac said in Gypsy interview, returning from injury he thought he was 100% but even that last 1-3% was the difference to not be able to win. 

The law of diminishing returns somewhat applies (similar to elite track and field athletes) is they may all be "similar" speed, but getting that last edge or little bit faster is actually a ton of work. You may work weeks or months on technique and/or bike setup and make "huge" progress to gain .25 seconds/lap.

You literally said 

 

"Even a high 1:04 vs. a low 1:06 by the end of the race amounts to over a 20 second lead."

 

Which would imply he's running 1:04 every lap.

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Yes I do; literally my sentence said "best lap". And the average of #1, #5, #10, and #15 will show the same relative to top/best lap time.Average...

Yes I do; literally my sentence said "best lap".

 And the average of #1, #5, #10, and #15 will show the same relative to top/best lap time.

Average can be skewed with leaders dealing with lappers and a lot of factors (flagged laps and some people had flag and some did not for example).

The point is saying all the top 10 are same lap times was not a good depiction of the elite vs. the top guys.

Even Tomac said in Gypsy interview, returning from injury he thought he was 100% but even that last 1-3% was the difference to not be able to win. 

The law of diminishing returns somewhat applies (similar to elite track and field athletes) is they may all be "similar" speed, but getting that last edge or little bit faster is actually a ton of work. You may work weeks or months on technique and/or bike setup and make "huge" progress to gain .25 seconds/lap.

Mxracer06y wrote:
You literally said  "Even a high 1:04 vs. a low 1:06 by the end of the race amounts to over a 20 second lead." Which would imply he's...

You literally said 

 

"Even a high 1:04 vs. a low 1:06 by the end of the race amounts to over a 20 second lead."

 

Which would imply he's running 1:04 every lap.

The avg lap times result in the same 20 second lead... And my point was the difference the small amount or extra little speed and talent mattering substantially for #1 vs. podium vs. top 10. But if you want to argue semantics that's fine I'm done replying to you after this.

I already made my point and it's based on facts and logic. 

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parkman wrote:

HE CAN HANG! 

This will end up being a historic win in Tomac's career.

Congratulations to him though !

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