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I feel like I’m literally watching the same track every week. It’s almost hard to watch. Actually it is hard to watch. Kinda like watching a traveling circus. Same show every week just a different city.
Something has to change.
let the downvotes start
They were saying the same thing 20+ years ago......
I would suggest staying away from your local Saturday night short track then. Especially if it's paved.
Is calling it a traveling circus really that far off? The general population would consider these guys “dare devils” instead of athletes and if you’re fast enough, you can pull up in your truck with a bike in the back and race.
Todd Harris legit called them daredevils on the broadcast once lmao.
The Shop
The jumps are too scawy and the whoops called Dave Prater a cotton headed ninny muggins. They’ll come back once they learn some manners while they’re in time out.
What if we stretched the tracks out and got away from the stadiums? Longer straight always and stuff. Maybe built them into some natural terrains. Would that interest you?
"Athletes? You just sit there and turn the gas. Now riding a horse, that's a workout."
Maybe we're doing it wrong?!!
The kinked lanes are so bad. This track is gonna be one lined.
I don’t know if it’s just how the track looks in that stadium or what, but every jump and landing looks 6 inches to a foot shorter than normal even. Just looks tiny out there to me.
Feld are literally circus promoters. Look up their company and history.
Legit heard this all the time when I was in high school. That and “I go muddin’ on my four wheeler and I don’t get tired at all.”
Can't let my wife see this. When she comes back from a long horseback ride and is wooped, I mention that "on the horse all you do is sit there!".
All baseball stadiums or speedways, no more football "arenas". Tracks are all the same and boring. Change up the spacing, make a triple 85 feet one week, 65 feet the next. Or make odd spacings for Rhythms, some steep faces, some flat, get rid of press day, local media isnt bringing anyone into the stands, its just ends up being extra laps and wear and tear on track. Do 1 free practice and 1 times qualifying and short LCQ for those outside top 36.
We've seen weather-related odd tracks this year and the same people bitched about them.
Let’s be real we really haven’t seen anything unique with the track builds in recent years. Maybe even longer because I can’t really think of anything that stands out. Exclude Daytona or speedway tracks because those are different from your stadium tracks. But it’s literally the same stuff every week just laid out differently. As MXA would say, “it’s long in the tooth”
Pretty good idea…might have to change the name of the style of track though…not Supercross but something else…maybe similar…just not exactly the same so people would know the difference.
Maybe they can cut up some huge 30" logs and old fridges and throw them in the whoops. Possibly a straight away of boulders....
oh wait. nevermind that.
But I do agree about the odd obstacles and some different ideas that would present "other unique" ways of getting over/through them. I mean the cream always rises to the top right?
Love the Daytona SX but would be cool to see it get whooped out and super rough like back in the 90's. I had the 1990 race on VHS and watched it many times.
Pit Row
Yup.
SX is literally a circus show now. This is what "Growing the sport" is going to bring more of. There have been a few great moments this season, but all in all, the sport isn't even close to what it once was.
I know - maybe SuperMotoCross?
You heard it here first!
First thing they need to do is start paying for more dirt. I have a question actually...
When they're done with the dirt each year and its put back in storage, do they purchase more to bring it back up to whatever "standard" quantity they need? Can't imagine how much is lost to the movement back and forth and what leaves on the bikes (and monster trucks).
So quit watching,
I’m sure the standardization is done to encourage safety. That being said motocross jumps are all different lengths and sizes and the riders get over them fine.
One thing I was thinking the other day was why couldnt we have a sand sx track. Ppl love sand tracks and its a nice change so we could try it in sx. It was done before in europe where dungey and herlings raced the european smx cup race and it was badass! Look at all of the mx style obstacles on an indoor sand track, it worked great. Just goes to show theres more options out there.
It’s not so much a matter of how much is lost, you can get a few new truckloads usually fairly quickly. It’s a matter of the soil structure over time that is the big issue to me.
Soil is basically a mixture of sand, silt, and clay. When its original mix is optimum, we’d probably refer to it as a type of loam. But the more it’s worked, and especially worked with added moisture, the more those 3 parts separate from each other and stratify. It’s nearly impossible to get them back to their original formation without decades or longer of organic matter growing and mixing with them, and even then it’s never quite the same. In farming you’d say that the soil has lost its tilth. That’s not quite the right term here, but close enough.
Let's race on tracks that promote less laptime separation and see who eats shit trying to find another second...
We need 1989 Miami SX
It all goes back to one thing. Four strokes. Yeah yeah I know what everyone will say. But it’s true. They took away the skill factor required to really be able to separate the riders without making the tracks too dangerous. The tracks in the late 90s through mid 00s were awesome. Anyone remember the late 00s when four strokes took over and they still made the tracks similar to that? They were making everything look super easy and had 41 second lap times. So they had to modify and change it up so the tracks would be a bit longer. This sport is similar to some others where the top guys have just gotten so good that it doesn’t matter what you do. They will all find the very best line, which will make the track one lined. If you make the tracks more difficult, the riders will still send it and push each other. Then we all complain about the injuries and deathcross and how depleted the field is.
I truly don’t know the solution. Not even disagreeing with OP. Just is the reality of it all. Ideally, you could modify the jumps with the progression of the bikes. But the human body is still the same. And that’s where the issue lies. So now what would equivalently be a small get off in a rhythm in 2004 is now a season ender in 2024, if they were to theoretically modify the jumps to be what they should be to progress with the bikes. Remember Jett’s case last week? If the jumps progressed with the bikes, that’s a huge crash. But they haven’t. So it was a minor moment and he went on. Not saying that’s a bad thing. It just is what it is. The bikes have gotten to that point now. The solution to it all to balance everything, I don’t think anyone has a good answer.
I’m afraid it’s not getting any better next weekend. The track at Detroit is a near identical replica to Indy, and very similar to Nashville. Flat turn after whoops, basic rhythm before triple, sand section, almost identical layout too.
Denver
Those three tracks are ridiculously similar...I'm know lot of it has to do with the style of stadium etc but damn, put in abit more effort to change it up
I was really hoping tracks like daytona and Atlanta would gain more popularity. The larger footprint allows for more creativity.
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